| Don't think it's panic stations yet 21:47 - Oct 20 with 2946 views | tractordownsouth |
If you offered us 5 wins and a draw from the first 7 back in early September I think we'd have all snapped that up. I'm not denying that we were well beaten tonight and the individual errors were to blame, but there's definitely been an overreaction on here. Playing a more attractive style of football makes us more threatening going forward but it was also always going to lead to a few more howlers at the back - I can think of countless times that Bournemouth did that both in the Championship and the PL during their peak under Eddie Howe.
One silver lining of tonight is that it should give Lambert reason to bring back Woolfenden. Nsiala has been solid so far but had a shocker tonight and we need a ball playing centre half to execute this particular game plan, especially against sides who are effective at pressing the ball. Likewise, I didn't think Judge had an awful game today but had he taken his chance at 1-0 we'd likely be talking about another victory, and it makes sense to play Lankester or Sears on the wing, once Hawkins is back.
We just have to hope now that Lambert doesn't tinker with the system - it's the personnel that is the issue. And even then, I think some of the fringe players who had a poor night tonight (Nsiala, Kenlock) have benefitted from having a defined role, rather than being asked to play in a different formation every week. It's a real test for the management to ensure they don't panic and rip up the entire blueprint on the back of one result - Lincoln is a big game. |  |
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| Don't think it's panic stations yet on 21:53 - Oct 20 with 2479 views | Herbivore |
We've had a very easy start though, tonight was our first real test and we got humped. When it became clear Lambert was staying the fixture list worried some of us as our start to the season always gave us a chance of a good start despite Lambert. We couldn't have asked for a much kidner opening. I do think even before tonight we've flattered to deceive at times. Wigan was fairly average. Brizzle was poor until the last 20 minutes. Rochdale we were fairly average first half, Accrington the first half was properly poor, MK Dons we were poor. Blackpool was our best all round performance and probably the closest we've come to putting it together for 90 minutes. Lambert has been clueless for 2 years and had to be told how to do his job by Marcus Evans. It's hard to hold on to too much hope. [Post edited 20 Oct 2020 21:58]
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| Don't think it's panic stations yet on 21:56 - Oct 20 with 2483 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
I watched the first 20 minutes and have just watched their goals.
Problems to me appear to be Dozzell and Nsiala had very poor games. The concern is yet again we fail to beat one of the better sides in the division and we start to fear it might be like last season.
Yes, we have Woolfenden to come in for Nsiala but we need to get a result against Lincoln or we suddenly already on the slide. |  |
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| Don't think it's panic stations yet on 21:59 - Oct 20 with 2446 views | J2BLUE |
Don't bother mate.
TWTD needs to have its collective hissy fit on nights like this. |  |
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| Don't think it's panic stations yet on 22:03 - Oct 20 with 2417 views | Herbivore |
| Don't think it's panic stations yet on 21:59 - Oct 20 by J2BLUE |
Don't bother mate.
TWTD needs to have its collective hissy fit on nights like this. |
Some of us remember being better than losing 4-1 at Doncaster in the third division. TWTD. | |
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| Don't think it's panic stations yet on 22:03 - Oct 20 with 2417 views | J2BLUE |
| Don't think it's panic stations yet on 22:03 - Oct 20 by Herbivore |
Some of us remember being better than losing 4-1 at Doncaster in the third division. TWTD. |
Some of us are capable of forming an opinion on more than one game. | |
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| Don't think it's panic stations yet on 22:07 - Oct 20 with 2398 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Don't think it's panic stations yet on 22:03 - Oct 20 by J2BLUE |
Some of us are capable of forming an opinion on more than one game. |
True but it was the first of the better sides in the division and a test that we failed. I can understand the concern. Not sufficient there is any pressure on Lambert but we need to get back to winning quickly.
Just a quick comment about the collective meltdown, I expected to come on here and see a massive thread from BlueFish saying "I told you so". He seems to have been very restrained unless I simply haven't looked far enough down to see it. | |
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| Don't think it's panic stations yet on 22:07 - Oct 20 with 2386 views | Herbivore |
| Don't think it's panic stations yet on 22:03 - Oct 20 by J2BLUE |
Some of us are capable of forming an opinion on more than one game. |
Indeed. Two years of Lambert is at least 6 months too many, possibly as much as 10 months too long if we're honest. | |
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| Don't think it's panic stations yet on 22:17 - Oct 20 with 2338 views | J2BLUE |
| Don't think it's panic stations yet on 22:07 - Oct 20 by Herbivore |
Indeed. Two years of Lambert is at least 6 months too many, possibly as much as 10 months too long if we're honest. |
He should have gone last season, no question, but it's a new season and we need to look past one result. It may well continue but lets wait and see. | |
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| Don't think it's panic stations yet on 23:08 - Oct 20 with 2258 views | El_Fenix |
It's too soon to panic, but not too soon to be nervous. I have two concerns:
1. Last season we beat lower half teams, but did poorly against well-organized teams that out-worked and/or out-muscled us. As yet, there is little evidence that this pattern has changed.
2. We have a lightweight team that tends to struggle in the cold and wet conditions that are encountered between November and March.
Both issues played a role in the home loss to Rotherham last season.
We could end up between 8th and 10th place, unless: Hawkins stays fit, Bennetts lives up to his potential, KVY comes back from his injuries, and Huws continues to progress towards his pre-injury form.
I will be delighted to be proven pessimistic. |  |
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| Don't think it's panic stations yet on 23:54 - Oct 20 with 2185 views | SamWhiteUK |
Agreed there is a bit of an overreaction, and agree about the mistakes being more likely with this new style of play. There aren't any teams that play the ball out of the back and don't make mistakes, at any level. We just happened to make a load in one game. |  | | |
| Don't think it's panic stations yet on 08:09 - Oct 21 with 2038 views | Keaneish |
Feels a bit like history repeating itself already though. The same teams making similar starts as they did last season are now clustered at the top of the league. What concerns me most is that after defeat last night, we’re upholding that pattern of being unable to beat anyone in the top ten! |  |
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| Don't think it's panic stations yet on 08:16 - Oct 21 with 2017 views | Radlett_blue |
| Don't think it's panic stations yet on 23:54 - Oct 20 by SamWhiteUK |
Agreed there is a bit of an overreaction, and agree about the mistakes being more likely with this new style of play. There aren't any teams that play the ball out of the back and don't make mistakes, at any level. We just happened to make a load in one game. |
A few posts before yesterday's game commented on how we'd only conceded twice in 6 games, how well Wilson & Nsiala had done & how we should stick with the same back 5. Well, last night was a defensive disaster but I doubt we need wholesale changes. Probably time to bring Woolf back in but also a case for letting the same defence go again to see if last night was just a catalogue of individual errors. |  |
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| Don't think it's panic stations yet on 08:16 - Oct 21 with 2017 views | tractorboy1978 |
Saturday is now huge. We need a reaction quickly. You could visibly see the confidence drain out of them last night. We are going to have set-backs within games and you've got to stand up and react positively to them. We have this propensity to hit self-destruct and one error leads to two or three more. |  | | |
| Don't think it's panic stations yet on 08:19 - Oct 21 with 2006 views | GhostOfBenters |
| Don't think it's panic stations yet on 21:53 - Oct 20 by Herbivore |
We've had a very easy start though, tonight was our first real test and we got humped. When it became clear Lambert was staying the fixture list worried some of us as our start to the season always gave us a chance of a good start despite Lambert. We couldn't have asked for a much kidner opening. I do think even before tonight we've flattered to deceive at times. Wigan was fairly average. Brizzle was poor until the last 20 minutes. Rochdale we were fairly average first half, Accrington the first half was properly poor, MK Dons we were poor. Blackpool was our best all round performance and probably the closest we've come to putting it together for 90 minutes. Lambert has been clueless for 2 years and had to be told how to do his job by Marcus Evans. It's hard to hold on to too much hope. [Post edited 20 Oct 2020 21:58]
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"We've had a very easy start though, tonight was our first real test"
You said Blackpool was a real test and you predicted we'd lose 2-0. | | | |
| Don't think it's panic stations yet on 08:37 - Oct 21 with 1974 views | Steve_M |
| Don't think it's panic stations yet on 08:09 - Oct 21 by Keaneish |
Feels a bit like history repeating itself already though. The same teams making similar starts as they did last season are now clustered at the top of the league. What concerns me most is that after defeat last night, we’re upholding that pattern of being unable to beat anyone in the top ten! |
Accrington are currently seventh.
Even Bristol Rovers are 11th now so I'm not sure if we're allowed to count those wins or not. |  |
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| Don't think it's panic stations yet on 08:47 - Oct 21 with 1948 views | GhostOfBenters |
| Don't think it's panic stations yet on 08:37 - Oct 21 by Steve_M |
Accrington are currently seventh.
Even Bristol Rovers are 11th now so I'm not sure if we're allowed to count those wins or not. |
I have observed that you are one of the best posters on here Steve_M. | | | |
| Don't think it's panic stations yet on 08:50 - Oct 21 with 1936 views | Herbivore |
| Don't think it's panic stations yet on 08:19 - Oct 21 by GhostOfBenters |
"We've had a very easy start though, tonight was our first real test"
You said Blackpool was a real test and you predicted we'd lose 2-0. |
This stalking me is frankly rather odd. You're back soon this time, Dollers. | |
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| Don't think it's panic stations yet on 08:50 - Oct 21 with 1938 views | MonkeyAlan |
Yes, but the moment we come up against the first decent side we have played we crumble. Same old same old. |  | | |
| Don't think it's panic stations yet on 08:51 - Oct 21 with 1931 views | GhostOfBenters |
| Don't think it's panic stations yet on 08:50 - Oct 21 by Herbivore |
This stalking me is frankly rather odd. You're back soon this time, Dollers. |
Once again using the Dollars label to avoid the question. | | | |
| Don't think it's panic stations yet on 08:52 - Oct 21 with 1916 views | Herbivore |
| Don't think it's panic stations yet on 08:51 - Oct 21 by GhostOfBenters |
Once again using the Dollars label to avoid the question. |
You didn't pose a question. You're not very good at this. | |
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| Don't think it's panic stations yet on 08:59 - Oct 21 with 1902 views | itfcjoe |
| Don't think it's panic stations yet on 08:16 - Oct 21 by Radlett_blue |
A few posts before yesterday's game commented on how we'd only conceded twice in 6 games, how well Wilson & Nsiala had done & how we should stick with the same back 5. Well, last night was a defensive disaster but I doubt we need wholesale changes. Probably time to bring Woolf back in but also a case for letting the same defence go again to see if last night was just a catalogue of individual errors. |
It's an incredibly difficult situation for Lambert to judge/manage now....
Play well, you keep your shirt - had conceded 2 goals in 6 games as a defence
One poor game with Nsiala and Holy particularly poor at what we want to do, and TN just generally poor - do you deserve to lose place after one bad game.
But these issues were there previously, we just hadn't been punished for mistakes made, often because , Toto especially, we were getting away with things - even last night that poor kick from Holy was saved by Toto.
But - we need to get Woolfie back into the team - he's a key asset to the future of the football club, and has earned right to start after performances last season, and before he was injured this season.
It's a very difficult decision to balance out - but Woolfie coming back inot the team is a matter of when not if, and I think Cornell taking over between the sticks is as well - he's just much more comfortable with the ball and that is what we need. I thought Bursik in goal for Donny last night gave a bit of an understated masterclass with regards to comfort on the ball and really highlighted what we were missing |  |
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| Don't think it's panic stations yet on 09:03 - Oct 21 with 1883 views | GhostOfBenters |
| Don't think it's panic stations yet on 08:52 - Oct 21 by Herbivore |
You didn't pose a question. You're not very good at this. |
I thought it was implied. Maybe you aren't as bright as I thought and I need to spell it out for you? | | | |
| Don't think it's panic stations yet on 09:07 - Oct 21 with 1868 views | Herbivore |
| Don't think it's panic stations yet on 09:03 - Oct 21 by GhostOfBenters |
I thought it was implied. Maybe you aren't as bright as I thought and I need to spell it out for you? |
Oh dear. Have a good day, Chutney/Dollers. | |
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| Don't think it's panic stations yet on 09:08 - Oct 21 with 1866 views | GhostOfBenters |
| Don't think it's panic stations yet on 09:07 - Oct 21 by Herbivore |
Oh dear. Have a good day, Chutney/Dollers. |
Run away from the point! So obvious! | | | |
| Don't think it's panic stations yet on 10:33 - Oct 21 with 1749 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| Don't think it's panic stations yet on 08:59 - Oct 21 by itfcjoe |
It's an incredibly difficult situation for Lambert to judge/manage now....
Play well, you keep your shirt - had conceded 2 goals in 6 games as a defence
One poor game with Nsiala and Holy particularly poor at what we want to do, and TN just generally poor - do you deserve to lose place after one bad game.
But these issues were there previously, we just hadn't been punished for mistakes made, often because , Toto especially, we were getting away with things - even last night that poor kick from Holy was saved by Toto.
But - we need to get Woolfie back into the team - he's a key asset to the future of the football club, and has earned right to start after performances last season, and before he was injured this season.
It's a very difficult decision to balance out - but Woolfie coming back inot the team is a matter of when not if, and I think Cornell taking over between the sticks is as well - he's just much more comfortable with the ball and that is what we need. I thought Bursik in goal for Donny last night gave a bit of an understated masterclass with regards to comfort on the ball and really highlighted what we were missing |
A great post as always, Joe.
I like Holy a lot but it is clear he is not overly comfortable with how we are now trying to play, and presumably why we brought Norris in last season, and now Cornell.
I think for me, you drop Wilson and bring in Woolfenden, and we always need a bit more grit in midfield. Doz has been good so far this season but carried him the last few games. |  |
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