| I have a question - Does Trump actually have any evidence of a massive 10:02 - Nov 9 with 2568 views | Keno |
election fraud or is he just being an annoying petulant gob-sh... [Post edited 9 Nov 2020 10:02]
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| I have a question - Does Trump actually have any evidence of a massive on 10:53 - Nov 9 with 881 views | Keno |
| I have a question - Does Trump actually have any evidence of a massive on 10:49 - Nov 9 by solemio |
To say that Trump is like a spoilt 4 year old who has been told he can't have a second ice cream is to insult the vast majority of 4 year olds and their parents - and grandparents! |
and ice cream sellers everywhere | |
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| I have a question - Does Trump actually have any evidence of a massive on 10:53 - Nov 9 with 888 views | Herbivore |
| I have a question - Does Trump actually have any evidence of a massive on 10:44 - Nov 9 by Guthrum |
As a friend of mine said four years ago, Trump should not be thought of as a modern democratic leader, but more in terms of the old-fashioned stereotype of an oriental potentate. His whim being law and no regard for (or even understanding of) democratic norms, except where they serve his own purposes. |
Your friend pretty much nailed it. When you look at the other national leaders that Trump showed admiration for they tended to be basically dictators who historically were viewed as enemies of the US and Western democracy more generally. You can usually tell someone's character by the company they choose to keep and it was telling that he sought to build bridges, initially at least, with the likes of Putin and Kim Jong-un.
At the same time he pulled out of the Paris accord, the WHO, threatened to pull out of NATO. He shunned traditional allies and international cooperation in favour of acting like a dictator and hanging out with other dictators. Quite troubling from a President of the USA really, and staggering that so many still voted for someone who in most ways is diametrically opposed to the values and principles the country purports to have been founded upon. |  |
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| I have a question - Does Trump actually have any evidence of a massive on 10:56 - Nov 9 with 872 views | Keno |
| I have a question - Does Trump actually have any evidence of a massive on 10:53 - Nov 9 by Herbivore |
Your friend pretty much nailed it. When you look at the other national leaders that Trump showed admiration for they tended to be basically dictators who historically were viewed as enemies of the US and Western democracy more generally. You can usually tell someone's character by the company they choose to keep and it was telling that he sought to build bridges, initially at least, with the likes of Putin and Kim Jong-un.
At the same time he pulled out of the Paris accord, the WHO, threatened to pull out of NATO. He shunned traditional allies and international cooperation in favour of acting like a dictator and hanging out with other dictators. Quite troubling from a President of the USA really, and staggering that so many still voted for someone who in most ways is diametrically opposed to the values and principles the country purports to have been founded upon. |
Even worse that the people you mentioned he got on well with Farage | |
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| I have a question - Does Trump actually have any evidence of a massive on 11:02 - Nov 9 with 859 views | Swansea_Blue |
| I have a question - Does Trump actually have any evidence of a massive on 10:56 - Nov 9 by Keno |
Even worse that the people you mentioned he got on well with Farage |
At least Boris isn't like trump in any way. No siree. In fact he's more like Biden, of course (not sure which will be louder - the reversing noises coming from No 10 or the laughter at them):
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| I have a question - Does Trump actually have any evidence of a massive on 11:07 - Nov 9 with 842 views | Steve_M |
| I have a question - Does Trump actually have any evidence of a massive on 11:02 - Nov 9 by Swansea_Blue |
At least Boris isn't like trump in any way. No siree. In fact he's more like Biden, of course (not sure which will be louder - the reversing noises coming from No 10 or the laughter at them):
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In as much as anyone can fathom Johnson's true beliefs that may well actually be true. Unfortunately the record of political grandstanding and duplicity to say nothing of countless newspaper columns count very much against him. |  |
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| I have a question - Does Trump actually have any evidence of a massive on 11:07 - Nov 9 with 847 views | Steve_M |
This is a surprising turn of events:
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| I have a question - Does Trump actually have any evidence of a massive on 11:12 - Nov 9 with 817 views | Swansea_Blue |
| I have a question - Does Trump actually have any evidence of a massive on 11:07 - Nov 9 by Steve_M |
In as much as anyone can fathom Johnson's true beliefs that may well actually be true. Unfortunately the record of political grandstanding and duplicity to say nothing of countless newspaper columns count very much against him. |
His true beliefs don't really count for much when they're not dictating how he behaves imo. Whatever his genuine personal position his modus operandi is almost identical to Trumps, which is all we can judge him on. | |
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| I have a question - Does Trump actually have any evidence of a massive on 11:13 - Nov 9 with 808 views | Herbivore |
| I have a question - Does Trump actually have any evidence of a massive on 11:12 - Nov 9 by Swansea_Blue |
His true beliefs don't really count for much when they're not dictating how he behaves imo. Whatever his genuine personal position his modus operandi is almost identical to Trumps, which is all we can judge him on. |
I'm not sure Johnson can be credited with any genuinely held beliefs, beyond his belief in his own exceptionalism. | |
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| I have a question - Does Trump actually have any evidence of a massive on 11:39 - Nov 9 with 760 views | Swansea_Blue |
| I have a question - Does Trump actually have any evidence of a massive on 11:13 - Nov 9 by Herbivore |
I'm not sure Johnson can be credited with any genuinely held beliefs, beyond his belief in his own exceptionalism. |
I wouldn't be surprised. There was a blistering assessment of his (lack of) character by Rory Stewart recently - https://www.the-tls.co.uk/articles/boris-johnson-tom-bower-book-review-rory-stew | |
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| I have a question - Does Trump actually have any evidence of a massive on 11:41 - Nov 9 with 755 views | Herbivore |
I read that. Superbly savage. | |
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| I have a question - Does Trump actually have any evidence of a massive on 11:43 - Nov 9 with 755 views | HARRY10 |
I suspect that much of the US has already moved on - and their focus will be on dealing with COVID, and lost jobs. As will the rest of the world.
Biden will have enough clearing up that mess, never mind rebuilding relations with world leaders after Trumps maniacal four years.
Bar the usual dimwits I doubt there is much appetite in the US for more time to be wasted on futile court cases over supposed voter fraud - and I would suggest that the more sane (relatively) wing of the Rep party will seek to distance themselves from this lunatic,
Talk of a civil war was always in the realms of fantasy - other than within the Rep Party itself, where I suspect, as with the Tory Party, the fight will be between the 'moderates' and the rightwing headbangers.
Perhaps Farage should stay in the US and help launch a party aimed at the nutjobs. A sort of latter day Tea Party.
Only in this case, a chimps tea party |  | | |
| I have a question - Does Trump actually have any evidence of a massive on 11:44 - Nov 9 with 749 views | Illinoisblue |
Spoiler: No |  |
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| I have a question - Does Trump actually have any evidence of a massive on 11:45 - Nov 9 with 743 views | footers |
| I have a question - Does Trump actually have any evidence of a massive on 11:13 - Nov 9 by Herbivore |
I'm not sure Johnson can be credited with any genuinely held beliefs, beyond his belief in his own exceptionalism. |
Oh come now. His belief in 'whatever Dom is thinking on any given day' is a solid set of political beliefs. |  |
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| I have a question - Does Trump actually have any evidence of a massive on 12:00 - Nov 9 with 720 views | Darth_Koont |
Very good.
Also a nice skewering of Tom Bower whose books shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near the Non-fiction section. |  |
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| I have a question - Does Trump actually have any evidence of a massive on 12:09 - Nov 9 with 698 views | factual_blue |
| I have a question - Does Trump actually have any evidence of a massive on 10:44 - Nov 9 by Guthrum |
As a friend of mine said four years ago, Trump should not be thought of as a modern democratic leader, but more in terms of the old-fashioned stereotype of an oriental potentate. His whim being law and no regard for (or even understanding of) democratic norms, except where they serve his own purposes. |
As we appear to be watching a rerun of Downfall (an even more accurate analogy since Mary Trump warned us that trumpy-wumpy will want to take everybody down with him), we've just reached the point in the film where General Krebs tells Hitler that Steiner can't make it. |  |
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| I have a question - Does Trump actually have any evidence of a massive on 13:55 - Nov 9 with 625 views | GlasgowBlue |
He’s being a petulant gobsh1te.
I saw this floating around Twitter over the weekend and it all looks very reasonable but doesn’t actually presents any real evidence. And judging by the website, they aren’t the most unpartisan of sources and seem to be very much further right wing than the centre right.
https://theredelephants.com/there-is-undeniable-mathematical-evidence-the-electi [Post edited 9 Nov 2020 13:57]
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| I have a question - Does Trump actually have any evidence of a massive on 15:52 - Nov 9 with 557 views | LankHenners |
| I have a question - Does Trump actually have any evidence of a massive on 11:07 - Nov 9 by Steve_M |
This is a surprising turn of events:
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| I have a question - Does Trump actually have any evidence of a massive on 18:23 - Nov 9 with 509 views | IpswichBoyBlue |
Why does he need evidence? Evidence is for wimps. He is Donald Trump and when he speaks, everybody has to stand and nod. |  | | |
| I have a question - Does Trump actually have any evidence of a massive on 19:09 - Nov 9 with 490 views | Keno |
| I have a question - Does Trump actually have any evidence of a massive on 18:23 - Nov 9 by IpswichBoyBlue |
Why does he need evidence? Evidence is for wimps. He is Donald Trump and when he speaks, everybody has to stand and nod. |
hello Sparks/Bully, welcome back | |
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| I have a question - Does Trump actually have any evidence of a massive on 19:12 - Nov 9 with 485 views | IpswichBoyBlue |
| I have a question - Does Trump actually have any evidence of a massive on 19:09 - Nov 9 by Keno |
hello Sparks/Bully, welcome back |
Thanks. Just so that I am clear, who is sparks/bully? Wouldn't want to say the wrong thing. [Post edited 9 Nov 2020 19:45]
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| I have a question - Does Trump actually have any evidence of a massive on 19:20 - Nov 9 with 478 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| I have a question - Does Trump actually have any evidence of a massive on 10:21 - Nov 9 by Guthrum |
I'm particularly intrigued by the suggestion that he may pardon himself before leaving office* - but for what? I'm pretty certain you cannot be pardoned for something of which you have not yet been convicted. Plus it would be a tacit admission of guilt.
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So that's where it gets interesting. Trump can't pardon himself. But if he steps down and Pence takes over then Pence can pardon Trump and give him immunity from prosecution.
However, Pence, as Vice President, is currently the casting vote in the Senate, which is tied at 49-49.
If Trump steps down, Pence becomes President and Nancy Pelosi becomes Vice President.
Which gives the Democrats control of the Senate through her casting vote. And gives the Democrats the opportunity to bring someone else in as House Speaker in place of Pelosi.
So the Republicans really don't want Trump acting like a big man-baby and either quitting or making it necessary to invoke the 25th Amendment.
But, as I've said elsewhere, my prediction is that Trump's message will change. Due to his cult-like devotion to the teachings of Norman Vincent-Peale he ahs to frame everything as a success. So I predict he will start to say "I didn't want to be President, but they begged me to be President. I was a great President, some say the best President. But I don't want to be President any more. You know, I never wanted to be President in the first place, but what can you do if they ask you to be President? But I've been a great President and now I don't want to be President any more."
And then he will resign and make sure he is out of the country when the Inauguration takes place, doing a big deal, the best deal. Then he will call a press conference to announce his amazing deal at the same time as the Inauguration.
Rommy had a look and Pence being the next President was 1000-1, so I'm going out on a limb here.
Although I calculate the odds of a man of Trump's age dying of natural causes before the Inauguration at around 1%, so those odds are ridiculous. | | | |
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