| Different take on Millwall fans Vs taking the knee on 10:26 - Dec 6 with 2983 views | jeera |
"Millwall fans who booed footballers taking a knee in opposition to racism should “always be respected”, the cabinet minister George Eustice has said, arguing that Black Lives Matter should be viewed as “a political movement”."
Says George Eustice, formerly of UKIP.
Edit: typo. [Post edited 6 Dec 2020 11:35]
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| Different take on Millwall fans Vs taking the knee on 10:28 - Dec 6 with 2969 views | Keno |
| Different take on Millwall fans Vs taking the knee on 10:26 - Dec 6 by jeera |
"Millwall fans who booed footballers taking a knee in opposition to racism should “always be respected”, the cabinet minister George Eustice has said, arguing that Black Lives Matter should be viewed as “a political movement”."
Says George Eustice, formerly of UKIP.
Edit: typo. [Post edited 6 Dec 2020 11:35]
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George Eustice, formally of UKIP.
I didnt know that |  |
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| Different take on Millwall fans Vs taking the knee on 10:30 - Dec 6 with 2978 views | Guthrum |
MP fears losing support from people who don't like the idea of Black Lives Matter.
BLM is a political movement only in the same sense as the campaigns for the abolition of slavery or votes for women. It is not akin to a political party. |  |
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| Different take on Millwall fans Vs taking the knee on 10:32 - Dec 6 with 2926 views | Herbivore |
The absolute state of the Tory party. |  |
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| Different take on Millwall fans Vs taking the knee on 10:40 - Dec 6 with 2889 views | MattinLondon |
| Different take on Millwall fans Vs taking the knee on 10:32 - Dec 6 by Herbivore |
The absolute state of the Tory party. |
The absolute state of the idiots who voted for them, the absolute state of the people who support them, the absolute state of this county under them.
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| Different take on Millwall fans Vs taking the knee on 10:42 - Dec 6 with 2865 views | vapour_trail |
| Different take on Millwall fans Vs taking the knee on 10:30 - Dec 6 by Guthrum |
MP fears losing support from people who don't like the idea of Black Lives Matter.
BLM is a political movement only in the same sense as the campaigns for the abolition of slavery or votes for women. It is not akin to a political party. |
There’s a distinction to be made between the politically focussed BLM organisation, and the wider BLM movement though.
You don’t have to support defunding the police to be an ally, for example.
George Eustice is a deeply unpleasant man for my money. He is playing a political card and cosying up to the benters brigade, affording them affirmation for their casual racism. |  |
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| Different take on Millwall fans Vs taking the knee on 10:47 - Dec 6 with 2835 views | BlueBadger |
| Different take on Millwall fans Vs taking the knee on 10:30 - Dec 6 by Guthrum |
MP fears losing support from people who don't like the idea of Black Lives Matter.
BLM is a political movement only in the same sense as the campaigns for the abolition of slavery or votes for women. It is not akin to a political party. |
It's deemed a 'political statement' both here and in the states because certain political parties have spent the past few years actively courting the votes of those who'd have previously voted for UKIP and other such far-right organisations.
See also: feeding deprived children. That's also deemed 'political' because certain parties again, have built their house on abandoning basic human decency. [Post edited 6 Dec 2020 11:07]
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| Different take on Millwall fans Vs taking the knee on 10:48 - Dec 6 with 2821 views | BlueBadger |
| Different take on Millwall fans Vs taking the knee on 10:26 - Dec 6 by jeera |
"Millwall fans who booed footballers taking a knee in opposition to racism should “always be respected”, the cabinet minister George Eustice has said, arguing that Black Lives Matter should be viewed as “a political movement”."
Says George Eustice, formerly of UKIP.
Edit: typo. [Post edited 6 Dec 2020 11:35]
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Ah yes, People's Very Real Concerns.
Which are usually based on something that someone made up, that they've believed. | |
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| Different take on Millwall fans Vs taking the knee on 10:50 - Dec 6 with 2801 views | factual_blue |
If I chose to react to him expressing his views by punching him in the face he would therefore accept that because 'If people choose to reflect their view in a particular way that should always be respected'.
That's clear then. |  |
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| Different take on Millwall fans Vs taking the knee on 10:50 - Dec 6 with 2798 views | Darth_Koont |
| Different take on Millwall fans Vs taking the knee on 10:30 - Dec 6 by Guthrum |
MP fears losing support from people who don't like the idea of Black Lives Matter.
BLM is a political movement only in the same sense as the campaigns for the abolition of slavery or votes for women. It is not akin to a political party. |
Indeed. But this view from Farage even slips into the wider and supposedly sensible debate.
There’s a witch-hunt over “Marxists” when no-one credible denies the validity of the Marxist analysis that accurately predicts structural racism. Rejecting that and pretty much all serious socio-economic theory since means that people can ignore the evidence of their own eyes and talk about civil liberties and rights instead - which is at best a cosmetic solution.
This isn’t about a Marxist solution as there are other more reasonable and practical ways to address the problem. But there’s no solution at all if we don’t actually accept the problem in the first place. [Post edited 6 Dec 2020 10:51]
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| Different take on Millwall fans Vs taking the knee on 10:56 - Dec 6 with 2763 views | MattinLondon |
| Different take on Millwall fans Vs taking the knee on 10:48 - Dec 6 by BlueBadger |
Ah yes, People's Very Real Concerns.
Which are usually based on something that someone made up, that they've believed. |
A bit off-topic, on my Facebook feed a few months ago was a post by an ex-colleague who happens to be a ‘wall supporter. Anyway he had an absolute meltdown regarding the fact that the Washington Redskins were dropping their name.
Stating ‘where would it end..will the ‘Raiders’ change their name in case it’s offensive to thieves’.
Various people responded stating that he was being offended by something which won’t happen - along with the fact that redskin is deeply offensive to Native Americans.
He, and people similar to him, get offended based on absolute nothing. They traditionally have held social power and now are losing their mind at things which challenge their [maybe] unconscious bias. Quite pathetic really | | | |
| Different take on Millwall fans Vs taking the knee on 11:03 - Dec 6 with 2728 views | BlueBadger |
| Different take on Millwall fans Vs taking the knee on 10:56 - Dec 6 by MattinLondon |
A bit off-topic, on my Facebook feed a few months ago was a post by an ex-colleague who happens to be a ‘wall supporter. Anyway he had an absolute meltdown regarding the fact that the Washington Redskins were dropping their name.
Stating ‘where would it end..will the ‘Raiders’ change their name in case it’s offensive to thieves’.
Various people responded stating that he was being offended by something which won’t happen - along with the fact that redskin is deeply offensive to Native Americans.
He, and people similar to him, get offended based on absolute nothing. They traditionally have held social power and now are losing their mind at things which challenge their [maybe] unconscious bias. Quite pathetic really |
This is the thing isn't is. Everyone wanting to see some basic civility is a snowflake, but these people will literally make sh1t up to get angry about, then get angry about it. [Post edited 6 Dec 2020 11:09]
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| Different take on Millwall fans Vs taking the knee on 11:09 - Dec 6 with 2685 views | factual_blue |
| Different take on Millwall fans Vs taking the knee on 10:50 - Dec 6 by Darth_Koont |
Indeed. But this view from Farage even slips into the wider and supposedly sensible debate.
There’s a witch-hunt over “Marxists” when no-one credible denies the validity of the Marxist analysis that accurately predicts structural racism. Rejecting that and pretty much all serious socio-economic theory since means that people can ignore the evidence of their own eyes and talk about civil liberties and rights instead - which is at best a cosmetic solution.
This isn’t about a Marxist solution as there are other more reasonable and practical ways to address the problem. But there’s no solution at all if we don’t actually accept the problem in the first place. [Post edited 6 Dec 2020 10:51]
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| Different take on Millwall fans Vs taking the knee on 11:09 - Dec 6 with 2684 views | MattinLondon |
| Different take on Millwall fans Vs taking the knee on 11:09 - Dec 6 by factual_blue |
A knee should be taken to farage. |
To the balls or head? | | | |
| Different take on Millwall fans Vs taking the knee on 11:22 - Dec 6 with 2644 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Different take on Millwall fans Vs taking the knee on 10:28 - Dec 6 by Keno |
George Eustice, formally of UKIP.
I didnt know that |
I think he means "formerly" as I am unaware UKIP officially exists any more.
I am glad for this opposition to BLM because it just shows how deep-rooted racism is in this country. The racists continue to feel enabled and emboldened. It is not a hidden agenda. |  |
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| Different take on Millwall fans Vs taking the knee on 11:28 - Dec 6 with 2635 views | Radlett_blue |
| Different take on Millwall fans Vs taking the knee on 10:40 - Dec 6 by MattinLondon |
The absolute state of the idiots who voted for them, the absolute state of the people who support them, the absolute state of this county under them.
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So, over 42% of the UK population are idiots?
An interesting and exceptionally arrogant view. |  |
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| Different take on Millwall fans Vs taking the knee on 11:31 - Dec 6 with 2625 views | Herbivore |
| Different take on Millwall fans Vs taking the knee on 11:28 - Dec 6 by Radlett_blue |
So, over 42% of the UK population are idiots?
An interesting and exceptionally arrogant view. |
Actually it's 42% of the electorate rather than the population. And when you consider that 52% of the electorate voted Brexit I think he has a good case. | |
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| Different take on Millwall fans Vs taking the knee on 11:35 - Dec 6 with 2602 views | jeera |
| Different take on Millwall fans Vs taking the knee on 11:22 - Dec 6 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I think he means "formerly" as I am unaware UKIP officially exists any more.
I am glad for this opposition to BLM because it just shows how deep-rooted racism is in this country. The racists continue to feel enabled and emboldened. It is not a hidden agenda. |
Yes, corrected.
Not had my tenth cup of tea/coffee yet. | |
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| Different take on Millwall fans Vs taking the knee on 11:35 - Dec 6 with 2608 views | MattinLondon |
| Different take on Millwall fans Vs taking the knee on 11:31 - Dec 6 by Herbivore |
Actually it's 42% of the electorate rather than the population. And when you consider that 52% of the electorate voted Brexit I think he has a good case. |
Indeed 14 million voted for Boris band of idiots out of a population of close on 70 million.
In workplaces and other large groups, you unfortunately always have village idiots, and so the 20% mark is about right. | | | |
| Different take on Millwall fans Vs taking the knee on 11:38 - Dec 6 with 2593 views | jeera |
| Different take on Millwall fans Vs taking the knee on 11:28 - Dec 6 by Radlett_blue |
So, over 42% of the UK population are idiots?
An interesting and exceptionally arrogant view. |
I dunno, have you met half the population?
I mean, let's be honest, if we consider a sample of a number of the people we meet in life, the assumption wouldn't feel so surprising! | |
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| Different take on Millwall fans Vs taking the knee on 11:39 - Dec 6 with 2592 views | eireblue |
| Different take on Millwall fans Vs taking the knee on 11:09 - Dec 6 by MattinLondon |
To the balls or head? |
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| Different take on Millwall fans Vs taking the knee on 11:40 - Dec 6 with 2586 views | CoachRob |
We have a problem with racism in football; plain and simple. Those trying to belittle BLM with monikers such as 'Marxist' have never read Marx or understand anything about inequality. I had the privilege of completing my FA Youth Award with Dr Colin King who contributed to this Guardian article last year - it certainly brings home the problems football faces not just from far-right groups but also wider societal views. In all of my coaching experience I have only ever had one Black coach educator and I have been coaching for twelve years.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/apr/12/racism-english-football-parks-p
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| Different take on Millwall fans Vs taking the knee on 11:58 - Dec 6 with 2516 views | peterleeblue |
| Different take on Millwall fans Vs taking the knee on 10:40 - Dec 6 by MattinLondon |
The absolute state of the idiots who voted for them, the absolute state of the people who support them, the absolute state of this county under them.
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Sadly there are a lot of "sold their soul" Labour voters up here in the North East who backed "lets get Brexit done" already realising what a momentous error they have made.
I was a Tory voter until Cameron lobbed £9k uni fees onto my uni bound kids.
I have now completely seen through what an absolute shower they are. And don't get me started on this "we will have to see what Boris says" approach from everyone regarding the next move on anything to to do with COVID. Like he is some cosy lovable Dumbledore style character. Its "johnson" said with the absolute aggression that was reserved for Thatcher as she set up the destruction of Northern communities in the late 80's.
Four more years. God help us all! |  | | |
| Different take on Millwall fans Vs taking the knee on 12:11 - Dec 6 with 2464 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Different take on Millwall fans Vs taking the knee on 11:58 - Dec 6 by peterleeblue |
Sadly there are a lot of "sold their soul" Labour voters up here in the North East who backed "lets get Brexit done" already realising what a momentous error they have made.
I was a Tory voter until Cameron lobbed £9k uni fees onto my uni bound kids.
I have now completely seen through what an absolute shower they are. And don't get me started on this "we will have to see what Boris says" approach from everyone regarding the next move on anything to to do with COVID. Like he is some cosy lovable Dumbledore style character. Its "johnson" said with the absolute aggression that was reserved for Thatcher as she set up the destruction of Northern communities in the late 80's.
Four more years. God help us all! |
Part of the problem I have is that they repeatedly see the problem being with each individual leader. They do not see it as an underlying root issue with the party policies. But then they see Labour as being fundamentally rooted in the policies of the 70s that saw the issues of that time. | |
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| Different take on Millwall fans Vs taking the knee on 12:22 - Dec 6 with 2415 views | MattinLondon |
| Different take on Millwall fans Vs taking the knee on 11:39 - Dec 6 by eireblue |
You have spelt and wrong. |
Apologies. | | | |
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