| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II 17:53 - Dec 6 with 1928 views | gtsb1966 |
What are we doing. Heartbreaking watching that. We don't need so much plastic. Take all the plastic out of supermarkets. We'll survive. [Post edited 6 Dec 2020 17:56]
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| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 17:57 - Dec 6 with 1630 views | muccletonjoe |
Its sickening. Just beggars belief |  | | |
| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 18:01 - Dec 6 with 1623 views | monytowbray |
GTSB, your transformation in here over the years has been amazing to watch.
You aren’t powerless. None of us are. We choose where and how we spend our money. Change starts with the collective individual. |  |
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| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 18:03 - Dec 6 with 1609 views | gtsb1966 |
| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 18:01 - Dec 6 by monytowbray |
GTSB, your transformation in here over the years has been amazing to watch.
You aren’t powerless. None of us are. We choose where and how we spend our money. Change starts with the collective individual. |
My daughter has taught me loads. I go shopping with her every week. She buys all her fruit and vegetables loose and buys everything she can without packaging. I'm now doing the same. | | | |
| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 18:08 - Dec 6 with 1590 views | factual_blue |
| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 18:03 - Dec 6 by gtsb1966 |
My daughter has taught me loads. I go shopping with her every week. She buys all her fruit and vegetables loose and buys everything she can without packaging. I'm now doing the same. |
Top tip - leave whatever packaging you can in the supermarket. It costs them to dispose of their rubbish, so hit them where it hurts. |  |
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| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 18:20 - Dec 6 with 1554 views | woiii |
| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 18:03 - Dec 6 by gtsb1966 |
My daughter has taught me loads. I go shopping with her every week. She buys all her fruit and vegetables loose and buys everything she can without packaging. I'm now doing the same. |
I notice tesco now provide paper bags for the fruit n veg instead of polythene. That's a good move.
Also, ALL my plastic goes into the recycling bin, so I'm not sure why it would end up in the sea unless the recycling company send it somewhere unethical, which isn't the consumers fault |  | | |
| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 18:21 - Dec 6 with 1547 views | woiii |
| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 18:08 - Dec 6 by factual_blue |
Top tip - leave whatever packaging you can in the supermarket. It costs them to dispose of their rubbish, so hit them where it hurts. |
Or just recycle it yourself | | | |
| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 18:22 - Dec 6 with 1544 views | gtsb1966 |
| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 18:20 - Dec 6 by woiii |
I notice tesco now provide paper bags for the fruit n veg instead of polythene. That's a good move.
Also, ALL my plastic goes into the recycling bin, so I'm not sure why it would end up in the sea unless the recycling company send it somewhere unethical, which isn't the consumers fault |
Not all plastic is recyclable unfortunately. | | | |
| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 18:25 - Dec 6 with 1543 views | unstableblue |
Sadly COVID has been really negative for the war on plastics... a lot of very hard work has been undone with a rush for hygiene and packaging
The world needs to say we’ve started to beat COVID, now what’s next global warming and biodiversity collapse, how are we going to tackle.
D!cks like Trump who’s whole value model is based on greed and consumption don’t help |  |
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| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 18:25 - Dec 6 with 1539 views | monytowbray |
| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 18:21 - Dec 6 by woiii |
Or just recycle it yourself |
Why? It costs them money if you leave it there. Then they’ll likely start using less.
Take it home and you just add to the waste, recycling for the most part has been proven to be a scam, much of it still ends up in landfill or exported to developing countries to pollute their homeland. | |
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| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 18:26 - Dec 6 with 1535 views | factual_blue |
| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 18:21 - Dec 6 by woiii |
Or just recycle it yourself |
In particular leave the packaging that is either unnecessary or not suitable for recycling. | |
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| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 18:27 - Dec 6 with 1538 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 18:20 - Dec 6 by woiii |
I notice tesco now provide paper bags for the fruit n veg instead of polythene. That's a good move.
Also, ALL my plastic goes into the recycling bin, so I'm not sure why it would end up in the sea unless the recycling company send it somewhere unethical, which isn't the consumers fault |
We outsource a lot of our recycling, so it can end up pretty much anywhere and we have little control on what happens to it. China used to take a lot but they've stopped, so we had a bit of a crisis last year and had to find other places to send it. A big chunk now goes to Malaysia, but there have been reported issues with effectively fly tipping of stuff that's sent to them.
Bob the Builder had it right - reduce, reuse, recycle. In that order.
It's not the consumers fault per se, but once you read up on how it's dealt with then people can make a choice and can change their shopping habits. It's a bit of a faff of course, but pressure on companies can work. [Post edited 6 Dec 2020 18:28]
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| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 18:29 - Dec 6 with 1524 views | woiii |
| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 18:25 - Dec 6 by monytowbray |
Why? It costs them money if you leave it there. Then they’ll likely start using less.
Take it home and you just add to the waste, recycling for the most part has been proven to be a scam, much of it still ends up in landfill or exported to developing countries to pollute their homeland. |
Or burnt. Recycling needs to be done better in my opinion because I can't see us going back to the milkman. Do you get your milk from the milkman? | | | |
| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 18:31 - Dec 6 with 1520 views | monytowbray |
| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 18:20 - Dec 6 by woiii |
I notice tesco now provide paper bags for the fruit n veg instead of polythene. That's a good move.
Also, ALL my plastic goes into the recycling bin, so I'm not sure why it would end up in the sea unless the recycling company send it somewhere unethical, which isn't the consumers fault |
All that does if you throw it all in is contaminate the recyclable plastic so it all ends up in landfill anyway.
Granted, you are somewhat correct - the consumer is being conned by the idea of recycling. It ain’t enough on it’s own even if we got it 100% right - what’s really going to make a difference is destroying the oil industry, which props up the plastic industry and vise versa.
Fight corporate destruction of the planet and stop buying their greenwashed marketing. It’s a smokescreen. | |
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| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 18:33 - Dec 6 with 1511 views | monytowbray |
| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 18:29 - Dec 6 by woiii |
Or burnt. Recycling needs to be done better in my opinion because I can't see us going back to the milkman. Do you get your milk from the milkman? |
I don’t drink milk because I’m a 33 year old male and not a baby cow lol.
Plus the dairy industry is also contributing to the damage of our planet. Oat milk is the way forward. | |
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| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 18:42 - Dec 6 with 1497 views | gtsb1966 |
| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 18:33 - Dec 6 by monytowbray |
I don’t drink milk because I’m a 33 year old male and not a baby cow lol.
Plus the dairy industry is also contributing to the damage of our planet. Oat milk is the way forward. |
My daughter drinks oat milk. I admittedly drink cows milk but I only drink organic cows milk after I read about the pus contents in milk in supermarkets due to over milking. Whether I'm making a difference I don't know. | | | |
| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 18:46 - Dec 6 with 1485 views | woiii |
| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 18:27 - Dec 6 by Swansea_Blue |
We outsource a lot of our recycling, so it can end up pretty much anywhere and we have little control on what happens to it. China used to take a lot but they've stopped, so we had a bit of a crisis last year and had to find other places to send it. A big chunk now goes to Malaysia, but there have been reported issues with effectively fly tipping of stuff that's sent to them.
Bob the Builder had it right - reduce, reuse, recycle. In that order.
It's not the consumers fault per se, but once you read up on how it's dealt with then people can make a choice and can change their shopping habits. It's a bit of a faff of course, but pressure on companies can work. [Post edited 6 Dec 2020 18:28]
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I know, I do listen to radio 4 you know :-) the recycling companies to do the job properly and things like selling milk in plastic should simply be stopped. I think about half my recyled waste is milk cartons | | | |
| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 18:46 - Dec 6 with 1484 views | monytowbray |
| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 18:42 - Dec 6 by gtsb1966 |
My daughter drinks oat milk. I admittedly drink cows milk but I only drink organic cows milk after I read about the pus contents in milk in supermarkets due to over milking. Whether I'm making a difference I don't know. |
Oat milk is nicer IMO.
In terms of making a difference, no milk or dairy on a supermarket shelf is going to be ethical as mass production doesn’t really allow for it. “Organic” is largely a marketing buzzword to sell it at a higher price and offset consumer guilt.
Unless you see the animals providing the products first hand and are comfortable with how they’re treated it’s a con. | |
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| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 18:56 - Dec 6 with 1466 views | gtsb1966 |
| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 18:46 - Dec 6 by monytowbray |
Oat milk is nicer IMO.
In terms of making a difference, no milk or dairy on a supermarket shelf is going to be ethical as mass production doesn’t really allow for it. “Organic” is largely a marketing buzzword to sell it at a higher price and offset consumer guilt.
Unless you see the animals providing the products first hand and are comfortable with how they’re treated it’s a con. |
I can drink, and do sometimes, black coffee and I drink lots of herbal and green tea so I only need milk for my porridge in the morning. I'll give it a go next week. | | | |
| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 19:09 - Dec 6 with 1444 views | Dubtractor |
| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 18:46 - Dec 6 by woiii |
I know, I do listen to radio 4 you know :-) the recycling companies to do the job properly and things like selling milk in plastic should simply be stopped. I think about half my recyled waste is milk cartons |
Milk bottles are probably the most and easiest recycled plastic packaging - don't feel too guilty abut that. As it is clear plastic it is an almost closed loop recycling route, with old plastic milk bottles recycled into new milk bottles.
Probably the single worst packaging product is tetrapak - 3 different materials plus the wax coating. Great as packaging, a disaster in terms of recyclability.
This is very much my specialist subject (I'm a waste and recycling professional!) and I'm reassured by some of the comments in this thread. Though not all!
Please, anyone, do not put all your plastic in the recycling bin as half of it won't be recyclable through that route. The facilities and equipment used to process the material are quite specialised and simply can't cope with everything that might be recyclable. As Callis says, you risk the good stuff being disposed of (to energy recovery in Suffolk, not landfill). edit - for the avoidance of doubt, this is only really a problem with LOADS of the wrong plastics in the bin.
There is potential good news on the way, with the government's Environment Bill and Resource and Waste Strategy intended to implement EU circular economy measures into UK Law. This will put the cost associated with treating/disposing/recycling packaging on the producers (and therefore consumers) so will hopefully change behaviours in terms of the types of packaging and the facilities to be able to sort and process them.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/resources-and-waste-strategy-for-engl [Post edited 6 Dec 2020 19:54]
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| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 19:35 - Dec 6 with 1421 views | woiii |
| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 19:09 - Dec 6 by Dubtractor |
Milk bottles are probably the most and easiest recycled plastic packaging - don't feel too guilty abut that. As it is clear plastic it is an almost closed loop recycling route, with old plastic milk bottles recycled into new milk bottles.
Probably the single worst packaging product is tetrapak - 3 different materials plus the wax coating. Great as packaging, a disaster in terms of recyclability.
This is very much my specialist subject (I'm a waste and recycling professional!) and I'm reassured by some of the comments in this thread. Though not all!
Please, anyone, do not put all your plastic in the recycling bin as half of it won't be recyclable through that route. The facilities and equipment used to process the material are quite specialised and simply can't cope with everything that might be recyclable. As Callis says, you risk the good stuff being disposed of (to energy recovery in Suffolk, not landfill). edit - for the avoidance of doubt, this is only really a problem with LOADS of the wrong plastics in the bin.
There is potential good news on the way, with the government's Environment Bill and Resource and Waste Strategy intended to implement EU circular economy measures into UK Law. This will put the cost associated with treating/disposing/recycling packaging on the producers (and therefore consumers) so will hopefully change behaviours in terms of the types of packaging and the facilities to be able to sort and process them.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/resources-and-waste-strategy-for-engl [Post edited 6 Dec 2020 19:54]
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Good info, thanks. Can I ask one question?... when you say 'energy recovery' what does that mean? That it's simply burnt? | | | |
| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 19:40 - Dec 6 with 1408 views | Dubtractor |
| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 19:35 - Dec 6 by woiii |
Good info, thanks. Can I ask one question?... when you say 'energy recovery' what does that mean? That it's simply burnt? |
Incinerated to produce electricity. Basically a power plant - but with really tight rules about emissions etc.
Some of the numbers here are a bit out of date, but you get the general idea. It isn't perfect, and it is lots cheaper and better for the environment to recycle, but it is a huge improvement on landfill.
https://www.suffolkrecycling.org.uk/learning-zone/where-rubbish-goes | |
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| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 19:43 - Dec 6 with 1399 views | Dyland |
| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 18:03 - Dec 6 by gtsb1966 |
My daughter has taught me loads. I go shopping with her every week. She buys all her fruit and vegetables loose and buys everything she can without packaging. I'm now doing the same. |
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| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 20:50 - Dec 6 with 1352 views | eastangliaisblue |
| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 19:40 - Dec 6 by Dubtractor |
Incinerated to produce electricity. Basically a power plant - but with really tight rules about emissions etc.
Some of the numbers here are a bit out of date, but you get the general idea. It isn't perfect, and it is lots cheaper and better for the environment to recycle, but it is a huge improvement on landfill.
https://www.suffolkrecycling.org.uk/learning-zone/where-rubbish-goes |
Is carbon capture used at these facilities? If so what is then done with the carbon? |  | | |
| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 20:53 - Dec 6 with 1344 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 18:29 - Dec 6 by woiii |
Or burnt. Recycling needs to be done better in my opinion because I can't see us going back to the milkman. Do you get your milk from the milkman? |
We’ve do. It was superb during lockdown too, as they deliver loads of stuff now to you door step daily. Well worth doing (and yes, gets rid of all those plastic milk and juice bottles too). | |
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| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 21:04 - Dec 6 with 1328 views | Coastalblue |
| Is anyone watching Blue Planet II on 18:56 - Dec 6 by gtsb1966 |
I can drink, and do sometimes, black coffee and I drink lots of herbal and green tea so I only need milk for my porridge in the morning. I'll give it a go next week. |
You make porridge with milk?
Genuine question, not looking for an argument or anything, just not something I'm aware of people doing? With oats? |  |
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