| I know its controversial 07:53 - Dec 7 with 3813 views | Barneycurley |
But can someone smarter than me clarify what the BLM manifesto is? Ive been trying to google a succinct answer and can't.
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| I know its controversial on 12:06 - Dec 7 with 851 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| I know its controversial on 10:46 - Dec 7 by mikeybloo88 |
Do you not think though that perhaps the fact that footballers using the same gestures (kneeling, black power salutes) which are so closely associated with radical political organisations,even though the players may not share those political views, is what gets the hackles up for some fans? Do you think there would have been booing if the players had walked out together and unfurled a banner stating "equality for all"? |
Yeah, what's it got to do with football? Why do it at a football game?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/14/dalian-atkinson-death-police-off
Re-read your post and ask yourself how it would come across to Dalian's family, or his ex-team-mates like Jason Dozzell, or his son, Andre.
As a white person, I'm fortunate that I have the issue of Police Violence towards Black People inflicted on me in the form of some footballers kneeling, rather than it being my daily living reality that I, for example, worry every time my twenty-something sons just go out for a night with their friends.
It seems to me that all those who have said over the years that the Miners were wrong for how they protested, because it was violent, who said the Poll Tax protesters were wrong because there were clashes with the police, or the CJB/repetitive beats protests, or the student loan protests, people who have always said "You have the right to protest, but do it peacefully." Are now saying "You have the right to protest, but not like this, not like that, not here, not there."
Seriously, anyone who is upset at the sight of people kneeling in protest needs to just spend a moment asking what happens in a society where that is clamped down on.
And then ask themselves if actually it's not the kneeling that's a problem to them, but the concept of protesting about extra-judicial killing by police, and people pointing out that this persistently and disproportionately results in Black Lives Ending, and wanting society to make changes so that that doesn't happen any more. If that's the problem then own it. Be honest. Say "I don't think Black Lives Matter as much as White Lives." |  | | |
| I know its controversial on 13:05 - Dec 7 with 804 views | jeera |
| I know its controversial on 07:55 - Dec 7 by Bluefish |
What is it that you actually want to know here? |
Who knows? But it clearly plays on his mind:
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| I know its controversial on 13:08 - Dec 7 with 795 views | Herbivore |
| I know its controversial on 13:05 - Dec 7 by jeera |
Who knows? But it clearly plays on his mind:
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He seems much more worried about being able to justify not being anti-racist than he does about the issue of racism. Weird priorities if you ask me. |  |
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| I know its controversial on 13:08 - Dec 7 with 796 views | rattram |
| I know its controversial on 12:06 - Dec 7 by Guthrum |
It's more that BLMGN is a relatively organised sub-group/leadership within the wider movement and those places happen to be where it's based. |
I thought premier league players taking the knee was a good idea, but assumed it would end once the league was decided. Continuing with the protest this season i think is a waste of time. You don't get a change of attitude as major as this without the will of the powers that be in Westminster and the press barons, and since most are white they aren't going to vote for change. | | | |
| I know its controversial on 13:11 - Dec 7 with 786 views | jeera |
| I know its controversial on 13:08 - Dec 7 by Herbivore |
He seems much more worried about being able to justify not being anti-racist than he does about the issue of racism. Weird priorities if you ask me. |
Nah, with something like that you'd notice a pattern:
I've asked this question before... by Barneycurley 31 Oct 2020 11:19Regarding the political persuasion on this forum. I used to think it was reasonably balanced but its gone so hard left in a few years its incredible.
Of course it could be put down to the fact a tory government has been in power a long time but literally every thread is a government bashing exercise. Its so, so tedious. Its the same old faces regurgitating the same old stuff.
I for one can't wait for some change in government if not to just loosen up some of the hatred that seems to flow from people on here.
Get a grip people.
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| I know its controversial on 13:12 - Dec 7 with 782 views | SpruceMoose |
| I know its controversial on 13:08 - Dec 7 by Herbivore |
He seems much more worried about being able to justify not being anti-racist than he does about the issue of racism. Weird priorities if you ask me. |
Within three or four posts on that thread he went from asking an 'innocent' question about BLM to claiming that they were extremists and how police brutality was being overplayed because only a minority of police kill people.
Safe to say BarneyCurley is full of sh!t. [Post edited 7 Dec 2020 13:16]
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| I know its controversial on 13:13 - Dec 7 with 774 views | jeera |
| I know its controversial on 13:12 - Dec 7 by SpruceMoose |
Within three or four posts on that thread he went from asking an 'innocent' question about BLM to claiming that they were extremists and how police brutality was being overplayed because only a minority of police kill people.
Safe to say BarneyCurley is full of sh!t. [Post edited 7 Dec 2020 13:16]
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He's just curious mate.
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| I know its controversial on 13:14 - Dec 7 with 774 views | SpruceMoose |
| I know its controversial on 13:08 - Dec 7 by rattram |
I thought premier league players taking the knee was a good idea, but assumed it would end once the league was decided. Continuing with the protest this season i think is a waste of time. You don't get a change of attitude as major as this without the will of the powers that be in Westminster and the press barons, and since most are white they aren't going to vote for change. |
The fact that you say it won't change anything also shows why it isn't a waste of time.
The truth is it makes a lot of people feel uncomfortable and rather than confront why it makes them feel that way they just want it taken away so they no longer have to think about it.
Being bored of fighting for Black rights is a position of privilege that many don't have. | |
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| I know its controversial on 13:15 - Dec 7 with 773 views | SpruceMoose |
| I know its controversial on 13:13 - Dec 7 by jeera |
He's just curious mate.
You've got this all wrong. |
I guess I shouldn't dismiss his Very Real Concerns. [Post edited 7 Dec 2020 13:15]
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| I know its controversial on 14:47 - Dec 7 with 723 views | Swansea_Blue |
| I know its controversial on 13:11 - Dec 7 by jeera |
Nah, with something like that you'd notice a pattern:
I've asked this question before... by Barneycurley 31 Oct 2020 11:19Regarding the political persuasion on this forum. I used to think it was reasonably balanced but its gone so hard left in a few years its incredible.
Of course it could be put down to the fact a tory government has been in power a long time but literally every thread is a government bashing exercise. Its so, so tedious. Its the same old faces regurgitating the same old stuff.
I for one can't wait for some change in government if not to just loosen up some of the hatred that seems to flow from people on here.
Get a grip people.
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Standing up against racism makes you hard left does it? I better go any find a beret then. Ideally one with a star on it, but I'm too fussy. |  |
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| I know its controversial on 14:49 - Dec 7 with 718 views | Herbivore |
| I know its controversial on 14:47 - Dec 7 by Swansea_Blue |
Standing up against racism makes you hard left does it? I better go any find a beret then. Ideally one with a star on it, but I'm too fussy. |
It does seem that the UK and US have been dragged so deep into the gutter that being against racism and generally having a bit of compassion are now seen as far left political positions as opposed to just basic decency. | |
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| I know its controversial on 14:54 - Dec 7 with 710 views | SpruceMoose |
| I know its controversial on 14:49 - Dec 7 by Herbivore |
It does seem that the UK and US have been dragged so deep into the gutter that being against racism and generally having a bit of compassion are now seen as far left political positions as opposed to just basic decency. |
New rules brought in earlier this year:
You're allowed to stand up for racists so long as you're polite when doing so. Doesn't matter how racist the person you're defending is, you're good so long as you display JRM levels of politeness and civility at all times.
The other side of the coin is, when discussing matters of race you're not allowed to tell racists off, and you have to be very polite when talking to them to make them feel that their Concerns are Very Real and credible, and to make sure they feel you don't think badly of them for being a racist. [Post edited 7 Dec 2020 14:54]
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| I know its controversial on 15:10 - Dec 7 with 689 views | GeoffSentence |
Everyone who has answered so far is claiming to be smarter than Barney.
What a cocksure bunch you are.
I am almost certainly not smarter thn Barney, but I think it's all on their website. |  |
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| I know its controversial on 15:56 - Dec 7 with 664 views | HalifaxBlue |
| I know its controversial on 08:05 - Dec 7 by Barneycurley |
I want to understand what their manifesto is?
If as quoted they are a political party then they surely have a manifesto? Or some sort of mission statement. There seems a lot of heresy around so I want to know exactly. That's it simply. |
Many have covered what they are after in this thread so I won't dive in, but I'm curious what quote you are referring to?
BLM are not a political party to my knowledge. They have never put forward a candidate in any country they are active in (I'm fairly certain at least) and I don't think they've ever even expressed an interest in doing so.
Civil Rights have long been equated with the progressive spectrum of partisan politics. Apparently it is a political statement unless you shut up and accept your duty to be oppressed. |  |
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| I know its controversial on 17:25 - Dec 7 with 610 views | JimmyJazz |
| I know its controversial on 12:06 - Dec 7 by Guthrum |
It's more that BLMGN is a relatively organised sub-group/leadership within the wider movement and those places happen to be where it's based. |
Right, that makes sense. I expected somewhere such as France to also be involved and indeed they do have their own BLM movement. |  |
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| I know its controversial on 08:08 - Dec 8 with 521 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
Interesting that Barney's had lots of responses here that he hasn't come back on. Trolltastic? |  |
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| I know its controversial on 14:27 - Dec 8 with 466 views | Radlett_blue |
| I know its controversial on 11:08 - Dec 7 by Swansea_Blue |
Quite. And in the case of this Millwall issue, the club even put out a statement saying that they were taking the knee before games as a general stand against discrimination and it wasn't linked to BLM directly. And yet still the fans booed the players. |
"a general stand against discrimination"? Yes, I've heard people say the "taking the knee" is no longer about the BLM movement. Distancing from that in the UK makes sense. However, IMO it turns the whole thing, as far as football is concerned, into something with about as much weight as the silly pre-game handshake parade.
Football - and UK society - still has problems with racism, but I don't think campaigns with "kick it out" slogans etc achieve much. Society as a whole will only reduce racism by a combination of legislation (much has been done) and education (a work in progress).
IMO football should concentrate on racism within the game. A step in the right direction would be a more diverse FA. Interestingly, proposals in July 2020 to improve diversity on the FA board were blocked by the representatives of the big clubs. |  |
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