| WE NEED TO END CANCEL CULTURE AND BEING OFFENDED... 23:40 - Dec 23 with 5006 views | monytowbray |
But also...
LOL.
Also, some troll farm accounts accidentally outing themselves in the replies by saying we need to defund C4 as well as the Beeb.
No one’s following this lot anymore, right? Trump? Boris? Farage? They are in the peak of their lies coming unstuck, their supporters are hiding under rocks and the nonsense they spout gets more farfetched. |  |
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| WE NEED TO END CANCEL CULTURE AND BEING OFFENDED... on 09:51 - Dec 24 with 1595 views | 26_Paz |
| WE NEED TO END CANCEL CULTURE AND BEING OFFENDED... on 09:03 - Dec 24 by Dyland |
"That’s the point of a democracy though, isn’t it? He can’t."
He literally is. He's pardoning his cronies and enablers who are facing or would be facing criminal investigations. You know, for acting illegally and undemocratically.
Where on earth are you getting your information?
P.S. Succinctly put here - Trump pardons: they aren’t even subtle anymore by NthQldITFC 24 Dec 2020 9:01I think the whole concept of unconditional Presidential pardons is obscene, no matter who the President is. It makes a mockery out of the concept of justice, and seriously undermines the ever more fragile illusion of democracy.
The idea of Presidential pardons in the US was, I think, intended for mainly historical "crimes" that in hindsight were harsh, or where laws have changed, or simple forgiveness.
What is happening in the US is undemocratic in the extreme. [Post edited 24 Dec 2020 9:06]
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Pretty much every President has issued a flurry of pardons right before leaving office. You can argue it’s not right but it’s entirely normal (in America!) |  |
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| WE NEED TO END CANCEL CULTURE AND BEING OFFENDED... on 09:53 - Dec 24 with 1601 views | Dyland |
| WE NEED TO END CANCEL CULTURE AND BEING OFFENDED... on 09:51 - Dec 24 by 26_Paz |
Pretty much every President has issued a flurry of pardons right before leaving office. You can argue it’s not right but it’s entirely normal (in America!) |
Did you ignore my last paragraph?
You're comparing apples and oranges.
Edit: Penultimate paragraph/sentence....! [Post edited 24 Dec 2020 9:54]
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| WE NEED TO END CANCEL CULTURE AND BEING OFFENDED... on 09:54 - Dec 24 with 1589 views | 26_Paz |
| WE NEED TO END CANCEL CULTURE AND BEING OFFENDED... on 09:50 - Dec 24 by Kropotkin123 |
Please highlight how Obama's pardon's meet this clause - "He's been using them to pardon his cronies whereas presidents mostly use them to overturn some injustices." |
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Cartwright | |
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| WE NEED TO END CANCEL CULTURE AND BEING OFFENDED... on 09:56 - Dec 24 with 1582 views | 26_Paz |
| WE NEED TO END CANCEL CULTURE AND BEING OFFENDED... on 09:53 - Dec 24 by Dyland |
Did you ignore my last paragraph?
You're comparing apples and oranges.
Edit: Penultimate paragraph/sentence....! [Post edited 24 Dec 2020 9:54]
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I agree that’s what it was set up for but it’s been abused by every president for years and years. This is a case of treating trump differently because you don’t like him. | |
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| WE NEED TO END CANCEL CULTURE AND BEING OFFENDED... on 10:01 - Dec 24 with 1570 views | MonkeyAlan |
| WE NEED TO END CANCEL CULTURE AND BEING OFFENDED... on 09:56 - Dec 24 by 26_Paz |
I agree that’s what it was set up for but it’s been abused by every president for years and years. This is a case of treating trump differently because you don’t like him. |
You may as well give up Paz. It's the same on this site, where by they treat some on here differently because they don't like them. They just won't see other peoples views. And if you show them facts they just get all defensive. |  | | |
| WE NEED TO END CANCEL CULTURE AND BEING OFFENDED... on 10:02 - Dec 24 with 1573 views | Dyland |
| WE NEED TO END CANCEL CULTURE AND BEING OFFENDED... on 09:56 - Dec 24 by 26_Paz |
I agree that’s what it was set up for but it’s been abused by every president for years and years. This is a case of treating trump differently because you don’t like him. |
There may indeed be a touch of that.
However, can you give examples of former presidents pardoning their cronies and enablers who were facing or would be facing criminal investigations, or indeed just convicted?
If not, then this is not a case of that, innit. | |
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| not me on 10:03 - Dec 24 with 1568 views | Dyland |
| WE NEED TO END CANCEL CULTURE AND BEING OFFENDED... on 10:01 - Dec 24 by MonkeyAlan |
You may as well give up Paz. It's the same on this site, where by they treat some on here differently because they don't like them. They just won't see other peoples views. And if you show them facts they just get all defensive. |
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| WE NEED TO END CANCEL CULTURE AND BEING OFFENDED... on 10:08 - Dec 24 with 1554 views | Swansea_Blue |
Pardoning someone accused of leaking classified information that turns up in a book is hardly the same as pardoning those who slaughtered innocent civilians. Desperate straw clutching. |  |
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| WE NEED TO END CANCEL CULTURE AND BEING OFFENDED... on 10:18 - Dec 24 with 1541 views | Kropotkin123 |
A link to one person isn't an explanation, nor does it equate to "mostly" does it?
Please explain how Obama pardon's meet this clause - "He's been using them to pardon his cronies whereas presidents mostly use them to overturn some injustices."
From your original link, the vast majority of Obama's were ordinary people. Whereas Trump's are linked to legal cases relating directly to him. |  |
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| WE NEED TO END CANCEL CULTURE AND BEING OFFENDED... on 10:21 - Dec 24 with 1538 views | TJS |
The stupidest thing about this tweet is that I'm pretty sure C4 have been doing an alternative Christmas Day speech for about 20 years.
Actually no - the stupidest thing about this tweet is the fact that we live in a free country where people can decide to watch or not watch the queen's speech or watch something else (something I thought Mr Farage was keen on). [Post edited 24 Dec 2020 10:22]
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| WE NEED TO END CANCEL CULTURE AND BEING OFFENDED... on 10:30 - Dec 24 with 1521 views | 26_Paz |
| WE NEED TO END CANCEL CULTURE AND BEING OFFENDED... on 10:02 - Dec 24 by Dyland |
There may indeed be a touch of that.
However, can you give examples of former presidents pardoning their cronies and enablers who were facing or would be facing criminal investigations, or indeed just convicted?
If not, then this is not a case of that, innit. |
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.insider.com/list-of-most-famous-shocking-presid
There’s plenty here mate. I’ve googled it so you don’t have to. Quite an interesting read actually, thanks! | |
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| WE NEED TO END CANCEL CULTURE AND BEING OFFENDED... on 10:35 - Dec 24 with 1514 views | 26_Paz |
| WE NEED TO END CANCEL CULTURE AND BEING OFFENDED... on 10:01 - Dec 24 by MonkeyAlan |
You may as well give up Paz. It's the same on this site, where by they treat some on here differently because they don't like them. They just won't see other peoples views. And if you show them facts they just get all defensive. |
I know mate but we must persevere! | |
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| WE NEED TO END CANCEL CULTURE AND BEING OFFENDED... on 10:37 - Dec 24 with 1516 views | Dyland |
That is interesting indeed.
We could argue till the cows come home around degrees of corruption. You won't be surprised I think Trump's are far more corrupt in political terms and his association, to whatever degree, to the "wrongdoing".
Have a good Christmas Pazzers :) | |
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| WE NEED TO END CANCEL CULTURE AND BEING OFFENDED... on 10:40 - Dec 24 with 1503 views | 26_Paz |
| WE NEED TO END CANCEL CULTURE AND BEING OFFENDED... on 10:37 - Dec 24 by Dyland |
That is interesting indeed.
We could argue till the cows come home around degrees of corruption. You won't be surprised I think Trump's are far more corrupt in political terms and his association, to whatever degree, to the "wrongdoing".
Have a good Christmas Pazzers :) |
Yeah, really interesting, I didn’t know about Clinton’s brother!
Agree.
Have a good one as well mate :) | |
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| WE NEED TO END CANCEL CULTURE AND BEING OFFENDED... on 10:44 - Dec 24 with 1498 views | 26_Paz |
| WE NEED TO END CANCEL CULTURE AND BEING OFFENDED... on 10:18 - Dec 24 by Kropotkin123 |
A link to one person isn't an explanation, nor does it equate to "mostly" does it?
Please explain how Obama pardon's meet this clause - "He's been using them to pardon his cronies whereas presidents mostly use them to overturn some injustices."
From your original link, the vast majority of Obama's were ordinary people. Whereas Trump's are linked to legal cases relating directly to him. |
I was perhaps a little harsh on Obama. As my last link showed Bill Clinton was the worst of them (I’m not sure why that surprises me). He pardoned his own brother from a fairly clear cut drug dealing offence! [Post edited 24 Dec 2020 10:44]
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| WE NEED TO END CANCEL CULTURE AND BEING OFFENDED... on 11:20 - Dec 24 with 1464 views | Kropotkin123 |
| WE NEED TO END CANCEL CULTURE AND BEING OFFENDED... on 10:44 - Dec 24 by 26_Paz |
I was perhaps a little harsh on Obama. As my last link showed Bill Clinton was the worst of them (I’m not sure why that surprises me). He pardoned his own brother from a fairly clear cut drug dealing offence! [Post edited 24 Dec 2020 10:44]
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It still appears that you are hiding behind links, rather than actually explaining a point of view.
11 of the most notable and shocking presidential pardons in US history
1. George Washington pardoned two men that rebelled against him
- Does not support the clause
2. Andrew Jackson pardoned one man for robbery and endangerment of life after pressure from allies. Pardon was from death to 22 years in jail.
- Does not support the clause
3. Andrew Johnson fully pardoned every soldier who fought for the Confederate Army as he wanted the nation to reconcile
- Does not support clause
4. Gerald Ford pardoned his predecessor, Richard Nixon
- Supports it. Massive scandal. One the same level in my opinion. Interestingly, it says people were outraged and he didn't win a second term. Maybe something to learn there?
5. Jimmy Carter pardoned Peter Yarrow for "behaving indecently with a 14-year-old fan".
- Doesn't support the clause. Really random to pardon him on the last day of a three-month jail sentence. Disgusting
6. Ronald Reagan pardoned George Steinbrenner for illegal financial contributions.
- Doesn't support clause. The guy was never jailed and the pardon was 15 years after the event.
7. Bill Clinton pardoned Patty Hearst
- The guy has no integrity, but again it doesn't meet the clause.
8. Clinton pardoned his half-brother Roger Clinton for drug-dealing
- Supports the clause. Minor in extent compared to what Trump is doing.
9. George H.W. Bush pardoned six people involved in the Iran-Contra arms scandal.
- Supports the clause. Disgusting.
10. Barrack Obama commuted the remainder of Chelsea Manning's 35-year prison sentence
- Doesn't support clause. Controversial, but in no way his crony
11. Eleven is Trump.
We've just seen him pardon "his former campaign manager Paul Manafort, ex-adviser Roger Stone and the father of Mr Trump's son-in-law."
"Manafort was convicted in 2018 in an investigation into alleged Russian meddling in the 2016 US election"
"Mr Trump had previously commuted the prison sentence of Mr Stone, who was convicted of lying to Congress."
The article highlights "Bernard Kerik, a former New York City police commissioner who was sentenced to four years in prison after pleading guilty to charges of fraud and lying to the government"
and "Rod Blagojevich, the former governor of Illinois who was convicted of corruption and sentenced to 14 years in prison."
Overall the article does not support the clause and you have not explained anything. | |
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| WE NEED TO END CANCEL CULTURE AND BEING OFFENDED... on 11:25 - Dec 24 with 1455 views | Clapham_Junction |
| WE NEED TO END CANCEL CULTURE AND BEING OFFENDED... on 06:37 - Dec 24 by 26_Paz |
That’s the point of a democracy though, isn’t it? He can’t
Just as you can’t have him shot no matter how much you might like to
It’s how the system works |
The great irony in this is that Trump is having several people killed before leaving office, going against a 130-year precedent that outgoing administrations don't execute people. I don't think it's unfair to guess this is being done purely to get one over on his critics or appeal to his base. What a horrendous human being the man is.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55236260 |  | | |
| WE NEED TO END CANCEL CULTURE AND BEING OFFENDED... on 11:26 - Dec 24 with 1451 views | 26_Paz |
| WE NEED TO END CANCEL CULTURE AND BEING OFFENDED... on 11:20 - Dec 24 by Kropotkin123 |
It still appears that you are hiding behind links, rather than actually explaining a point of view.
11 of the most notable and shocking presidential pardons in US history
1. George Washington pardoned two men that rebelled against him
- Does not support the clause
2. Andrew Jackson pardoned one man for robbery and endangerment of life after pressure from allies. Pardon was from death to 22 years in jail.
- Does not support the clause
3. Andrew Johnson fully pardoned every soldier who fought for the Confederate Army as he wanted the nation to reconcile
- Does not support clause
4. Gerald Ford pardoned his predecessor, Richard Nixon
- Supports it. Massive scandal. One the same level in my opinion. Interestingly, it says people were outraged and he didn't win a second term. Maybe something to learn there?
5. Jimmy Carter pardoned Peter Yarrow for "behaving indecently with a 14-year-old fan".
- Doesn't support the clause. Really random to pardon him on the last day of a three-month jail sentence. Disgusting
6. Ronald Reagan pardoned George Steinbrenner for illegal financial contributions.
- Doesn't support clause. The guy was never jailed and the pardon was 15 years after the event.
7. Bill Clinton pardoned Patty Hearst
- The guy has no integrity, but again it doesn't meet the clause.
8. Clinton pardoned his half-brother Roger Clinton for drug-dealing
- Supports the clause. Minor in extent compared to what Trump is doing.
9. George H.W. Bush pardoned six people involved in the Iran-Contra arms scandal.
- Supports the clause. Disgusting.
10. Barrack Obama commuted the remainder of Chelsea Manning's 35-year prison sentence
- Doesn't support clause. Controversial, but in no way his crony
11. Eleven is Trump.
We've just seen him pardon "his former campaign manager Paul Manafort, ex-adviser Roger Stone and the father of Mr Trump's son-in-law."
"Manafort was convicted in 2018 in an investigation into alleged Russian meddling in the 2016 US election"
"Mr Trump had previously commuted the prison sentence of Mr Stone, who was convicted of lying to Congress."
The article highlights "Bernard Kerik, a former New York City police commissioner who was sentenced to four years in prison after pleading guilty to charges of fraud and lying to the government"
and "Rod Blagojevich, the former governor of Illinois who was convicted of corruption and sentenced to 14 years in prison."
Overall the article does not support the clause and you have not explained anything. |
Doesn’t support my argument except in all the cases where you yourself have written ‘supports the clause’ | |
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| WE NEED TO END CANCEL CULTURE AND BEING OFFENDED... on 11:35 - Dec 24 with 1443 views | Kropotkin123 |
| WE NEED TO END CANCEL CULTURE AND BEING OFFENDED... on 11:26 - Dec 24 by 26_Paz |
Doesn’t support my argument except in all the cases where you yourself have written ‘supports the clause’ |
There are one or two examples, not "mostly". In no way does the article support you and to claim it does is disingenuous or clutching at straws. Trump is "mostly" using it to pardon cronies, some of whom are directly linked to investigations into himself and Russian interference into the US election.
Yet again, you provide no explanation.
The fact that you try to use one or two actions to normalise Trump's systematic actions are embarrassing. | |
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| WE NEED TO END CANCEL CULTURE AND BEING OFFENDED... on 11:38 - Dec 24 with 1438 views | itfc_bucks |
| WE NEED TO END CANCEL CULTURE AND BEING OFFENDED... on 11:26 - Dec 24 by 26_Paz |
Doesn’t support my argument except in all the cases where you yourself have written ‘supports the clause’ |
Do you not think, even for a second, that the sheer volume of cronyism based pardons is a little shocking?
Do you not think that, on the list of "11 most shocking pardons", the bulk of them actually not being shocking and Trump having all of his lumped in together shows something?
And, going back to the OP, do you not think this is further evidence, if it were needed of Farage being an opportunistic, flavour-of-the-month, ubertw@t? |  | | |
| WE NEED TO END CANCEL CULTURE AND BEING OFFENDED... on 11:46 - Dec 24 with 1423 views | Kropotkin123 |
| WE NEED TO END CANCEL CULTURE AND BEING OFFENDED... on 11:38 - Dec 24 by itfc_bucks |
Do you not think, even for a second, that the sheer volume of cronyism based pardons is a little shocking?
Do you not think that, on the list of "11 most shocking pardons", the bulk of them actually not being shocking and Trump having all of his lumped in together shows something?
And, going back to the OP, do you not think this is further evidence, if it were needed of Farage being an opportunistic, flavour-of-the-month, ubertw@t? |
He doesn't think, he auto-defends with google links, too timid to actually put out an explanation of his own, knowing full well it will expose his opinions for what they really are. He has a history of pardoning racists and bigots by using other people's negative actions to excuse those he defends, rather than defending those on their actual merits. | |
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| WE NEED TO END CANCEL CULTURE AND BEING OFFENDED... on 12:24 - Dec 24 with 1384 views | 26_Paz |
| WE NEED TO END CANCEL CULTURE AND BEING OFFENDED... on 11:46 - Dec 24 by Kropotkin123 |
He doesn't think, he auto-defends with google links, too timid to actually put out an explanation of his own, knowing full well it will expose his opinions for what they really are. He has a history of pardoning racists and bigots by using other people's negative actions to excuse those he defends, rather than defending those on their actual merits. |
I just can’t win on here. I give my opinions and people ask for links. I give links and people ask for my opinions. Like trump, you trump you lot will slag me off whatever I do or say. | |
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| WE NEED TO END CANCEL CULTURE AND BEING OFFENDED... on 12:32 - Dec 24 with 1374 views | itfc_bucks |
| WE NEED TO END CANCEL CULTURE AND BEING OFFENDED... on 12:24 - Dec 24 by 26_Paz |
I just can’t win on here. I give my opinions and people ask for links. I give links and people ask for my opinions. Like trump, you trump you lot will slag me off whatever I do or say. |
well, if you say racist stuff, defend racists, excuse xenophobia and tacitly endorse cronyism, yes, you will probably get slated on here.
But AnalMonkey will probably come to support you, which will be nice, I'm sure! | | | |
| WE NEED TO END CANCEL CULTURE AND BEING OFFENDED... on 12:37 - Dec 24 with 1362 views | 26_Paz |
| WE NEED TO END CANCEL CULTURE AND BEING OFFENDED... on 12:32 - Dec 24 by itfc_bucks |
well, if you say racist stuff, defend racists, excuse xenophobia and tacitly endorse cronyism, yes, you will probably get slated on here.
But AnalMonkey will probably come to support you, which will be nice, I'm sure! |
It’s just not worth it.
Merry Christmas all | |
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| WE NEED TO END CANCEL CULTURE AND BEING OFFENDED... on 12:48 - Dec 24 with 1345 views | GeoffSentence |
The dimwit has also missed that this is a message about the danger of deepfakes. |  |
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