| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? 09:54 - Jan 12 with 8742 views | Bobbychase |
What's with the (increasingly hysterical) Twitter pile-on against the EADT writers? It's gone from the occasional post to an obsessing over the fact that they are noting anniversaries like the Arsenal match, and demanding they only write about sacking Lambert.
I know it's a small group doing it, but it's increasingly irritating. |  |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 11:42 - Jan 12 with 1972 views | X0Y0 |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 11:38 - Jan 12 by hype313 |
Phil's done a number of polls on here and they are all pretty much conclusive with the general feel of the fanbase, no doubt the Archant boys have seen it. |
I’ve not seen the same from EADT, and the club have made it clear in the comments from Lee O’Neill that they would probably be dismissive of any polls conducted on the twtd forums.
I may be wrong, but I would also anticipate a poll on EADT having a broader reach amongst the supporter base. |  | | |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 11:42 - Jan 12 with 1970 views | Illinoisblue |
There’s a handful on there who are ridiculous and don’t really have any understanding of how the word works. I’m sure every club has them. |  |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 11:47 - Jan 12 with 1952 views | PhilTWTD |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 11:37 - Jan 12 by LankHenners |
He must be aware on *some* level surely as he must've known people were unhappy enough to make the bizarre 'we look better in the flesh than on TV' pitch and similarly was fairly swift to 'clarify' his Be Careful What You Wish For comment, knowing he'd touched a nerve.
The former statement does bring up the suggestion that perhaps he doesn't want to know and is just hoping it suddenly turns around (which would obviously be best for him but that particular corridor of opportunity is narrow enough to be impassable).
You'd have thought the team being booed of at HT and FT, and 'Lambert Out' given a good airing, in both games fans were allowed in would've hit home that it's not just a 'noisy minority' on social media which you get the impression the club are thinking (or want to think) it is. |
From what I'm told PL asked for public backing after the criticism after the Charlton game and after news of my ban broke. Lee and ME gave him that backing via the Radio Suffolk interview and the statement.
ME believes the injury problems have had a bigger impact than I think most other observers would say; personally I'm not sure we've been much better when we've had more fitter senior players and the issues aren't short-term issues.
I genuinely think ME's careful what you wish for statement wasn't meant to point the finger at fans, but it could be read in that manner and clearly that should have been pointed out to him before it was put out.
I think there's one thing to give backing, a comment saying there are no current plans to change the manager or similar, but think they went unnecessarily far, it was over-egged. Quite difficult to sack a manager even relatively soon after giving such staunch backing publicly without making yourself look daft. |  | | |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 11:47 - Jan 12 with 1941 views | jeera |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:05 - Jan 12 by StokieBlue |
You don't have to read everything on Twitter. You certainly shouldn't let Twitter annoy you.
I said they probably went too far but writing articles on what Lambert needs to do to turn it round is bound to get a lot of flack in the current climate.
The points in this article are fair but they have been constant for months so writing about it now as though it's going to change isn't going to help much. The core issue is Lambert.
https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/ipswich-town/ipswich-town-issues-for-paul-lambert-6
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Although just seeing some facts laid out in print is pretty damning in itself. |  |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 11:51 - Jan 12 with 1937 views | davblue |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 11:47 - Jan 12 by PhilTWTD |
From what I'm told PL asked for public backing after the criticism after the Charlton game and after news of my ban broke. Lee and ME gave him that backing via the Radio Suffolk interview and the statement.
ME believes the injury problems have had a bigger impact than I think most other observers would say; personally I'm not sure we've been much better when we've had more fitter senior players and the issues aren't short-term issues.
I genuinely think ME's careful what you wish for statement wasn't meant to point the finger at fans, but it could be read in that manner and clearly that should have been pointed out to him before it was put out.
I think there's one thing to give backing, a comment saying there are no current plans to change the manager or similar, but think they went unnecessarily far, it was over-egged. Quite difficult to sack a manager even relatively soon after giving such staunch backing publicly without making yourself look daft. |
Evans has made himself look daft from the moment he appointed him.
Wrong decision after wrong decision, it's been a total disaster. |  | | |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 12:17 - Jan 12 with 1882 views | PhilTWTD |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 11:51 - Jan 12 by davblue |
Evans has made himself look daft from the moment he appointed him.
Wrong decision after wrong decision, it's been a total disaster. |
You can see what he wanted to do, get an experienced hand in to do the fire-fighting job Mick did in 2012/13. But he was unable to replicate what Mick did and was the wrong man for the rebuild. | | | |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 12:21 - Jan 12 with 1869 views | LankHenners |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 11:47 - Jan 12 by PhilTWTD |
From what I'm told PL asked for public backing after the criticism after the Charlton game and after news of my ban broke. Lee and ME gave him that backing via the Radio Suffolk interview and the statement.
ME believes the injury problems have had a bigger impact than I think most other observers would say; personally I'm not sure we've been much better when we've had more fitter senior players and the issues aren't short-term issues.
I genuinely think ME's careful what you wish for statement wasn't meant to point the finger at fans, but it could be read in that manner and clearly that should have been pointed out to him before it was put out.
I think there's one thing to give backing, a comment saying there are no current plans to change the manager or similar, but think they went unnecessarily far, it was over-egged. Quite difficult to sack a manager even relatively soon after giving such staunch backing publicly without making yourself look daft. |
As much as anything it seems that ME is totally fed up with making decisions and them not working out, and his, as you say, heavy-handed public backing doubled down on his comments about Lambert being here for the long term and overseeing a big project at the time the 5 year deal was announced. I've thought for a while it's looking foolish as much as whatever the presumably significant cost factor is that's preventing him doing something most owners in the league would've done a long time ago.
I appreciate why Lambert would be given some sort of public backing, but it doesn't sit very comfortably with me that on top of the obvious failure on the pitch, he bans you from press conferences, gives a bizarre and stupidly hostile interview with Stu Watson, and then the club closes ranks around him and responds so dismissively to any concerns voiced about the whole thing. Obviously they're not going to go 'yeah you're right he's a complete turd' but it can't be healthy for the club to have someone who behaves like that so untouchable and seemingly wagging the dog. |  |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 12:23 - Jan 12 with 1852 views | davblue |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 12:17 - Jan 12 by PhilTWTD |
You can see what he wanted to do, get an experienced hand in to do the fire-fighting job Mick did in 2012/13. But he was unable to replicate what Mick did and was the wrong man for the rebuild. |
I don't care that he managed Norwich, it doesn't bother me one bit i just thought he was finished when we appointed him.
Something has to change at the top, not ownership wise realistically but the way the club is being run, i really can see a time when we will be in league 2 the way it's going. I know i will be shot down but we aren't a well run club and all a good manager will do is paper over the cracks. | | | |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 12:37 - Jan 12 with 1813 views | Bluefish |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 12:17 - Jan 12 by PhilTWTD |
You can see what he wanted to do, get an experienced hand in to do the fire-fighting job Mick did in 2012/13. But he was unable to replicate what Mick did and was the wrong man for the rebuild. |
This is why Shambert should have been sacked in March 2019. It was clear that he had failed in ultimate way in our survival task. There was no new manager bounce, the January all out to save us on expensive loanees was abysmal and the style was erratic at best.
When he wasn't sacked in March it should have been the last 2 and a bit months of the season building solid foundations of style for the rebuild. Again it didn't happen, we had no defined system and didn't apparar to be looking to the future. We were instead trying not to get beat and pick up draws. Utterly baffling. He should have then been sacked in May 2019.
The new season came and we had Holy, Garbutt and Norwood as fresh blood and rebuffed all offers for Judge so he could be our talisman. There was a new counter attacking fast paced style epitomised by Danny Rowe. This soon disappeared though and we moved to a bizarre lambingo. He should have been gone at Christmas around the Lincoln defeat when it was clear that our lack of style or strategy was failing miserably despite the start. The start was clearly a freak, we hadn't played well and had got out of jail many times.
He didn't go in December 2019 and things went downhill rapidly. He definitely now had to go ASAP but covid saved his job in March 2020. End of the season he now had to go though, 2 tasks as boss and 2 failures beyond the worst case expectations.
Somehow he stayed on to this season but again despite the fast start we still look a team devoid of any substance, again the luck runs out and we are exposed. He should have gone at every point this season from about October but he is still here and it is finding new depths. There are no green shoots for PRP |  |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 12:42 - Jan 12 with 1797 views | Parky |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 12:17 - Jan 12 by PhilTWTD |
You can see what he wanted to do, get an experienced hand in to do the fire-fighting job Mick did in 2012/13. But he was unable to replicate what Mick did and was the wrong man for the rebuild. |
Phil, do you honestly envisage a change coming any time soon?
Echoing what another poster has already stated, it feels as if the club have implemented an ‘us vs them’ stance where Evans is backing Lambert to the hill.
I think my first question is answered by the fact that Lambert is still here after finishing 11th last season. Nothing this season appears to be any different, if not worse. I’m sure we will slowly plod along, beating the likes of Burton and Rochdale; whilst losing to the promotion rivals and finish outside again.
The bit I don’t understand, is how on earth Evans can turn up at these games and come out and say we’ve been playing well and all the rubbish with that. I genuinely don’t think I am over exaggerating, but we are absolutely woeful at the minute. | | | |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 12:47 - Jan 12 with 1775 views | hype313 |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 12:42 - Jan 12 by Parky |
Phil, do you honestly envisage a change coming any time soon?
Echoing what another poster has already stated, it feels as if the club have implemented an ‘us vs them’ stance where Evans is backing Lambert to the hill.
I think my first question is answered by the fact that Lambert is still here after finishing 11th last season. Nothing this season appears to be any different, if not worse. I’m sure we will slowly plod along, beating the likes of Burton and Rochdale; whilst losing to the promotion rivals and finish outside again.
The bit I don’t understand, is how on earth Evans can turn up at these games and come out and say we’ve been playing well and all the rubbish with that. I genuinely don’t think I am over exaggerating, but we are absolutely woeful at the minute. |
The only way he will go is if there is a mutiny in the squad, nothing the fans or media say will make him change his mind, but if he thinks players are sick of him and have downed tools then he will have no choice.
Sounds like there have been rumblings, but no full on lost the dressing room yet. |  |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 12:55 - Jan 12 with 1744 views | Parky |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 12:47 - Jan 12 by hype313 |
The only way he will go is if there is a mutiny in the squad, nothing the fans or media say will make him change his mind, but if he thinks players are sick of him and have downed tools then he will have no choice.
Sounds like there have been rumblings, but no full on lost the dressing room yet. |
See, that’s another I don’t understand. - How on earth are the players happy? Surely they can realise we’ve been absolutely dog sh!t yet again this season. Most of the players are playing as low down the pyramid as they’ve ever been. It’s not like we’re playing really good football, dominating teams.
There just seems to be a massive acceptance around the entire club at the moment from the top to the bottom. When we got relegated it was almost as if “oh well, we’ll go up next season”. Then when we didn’t get promoted last season “oh well, covid hindered us, always next season.”
All of this is reminding me how bad we are at the moment. I really don’t think I’m over-exaggerating when I say, I reckon a non league team like Needham would fancy their chances against us right now. | | | |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 13:04 - Jan 12 with 1724 views | PhilTWTD |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 12:21 - Jan 12 by LankHenners |
As much as anything it seems that ME is totally fed up with making decisions and them not working out, and his, as you say, heavy-handed public backing doubled down on his comments about Lambert being here for the long term and overseeing a big project at the time the 5 year deal was announced. I've thought for a while it's looking foolish as much as whatever the presumably significant cost factor is that's preventing him doing something most owners in the league would've done a long time ago.
I appreciate why Lambert would be given some sort of public backing, but it doesn't sit very comfortably with me that on top of the obvious failure on the pitch, he bans you from press conferences, gives a bizarre and stupidly hostile interview with Stu Watson, and then the club closes ranks around him and responds so dismissively to any concerns voiced about the whole thing. Obviously they're not going to go 'yeah you're right he's a complete turd' but it can't be healthy for the club to have someone who behaves like that so untouchable and seemingly wagging the dog. |
Agree, the club shouldn't allow a manager to dictate its public image in the way that it has. It should be telling him that that's no a manner in which the club should be seen to be behaving. | | | |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 13:07 - Jan 12 with 1716 views | PhilTWTD |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 12:42 - Jan 12 by Parky |
Phil, do you honestly envisage a change coming any time soon?
Echoing what another poster has already stated, it feels as if the club have implemented an ‘us vs them’ stance where Evans is backing Lambert to the hill.
I think my first question is answered by the fact that Lambert is still here after finishing 11th last season. Nothing this season appears to be any different, if not worse. I’m sure we will slowly plod along, beating the likes of Burton and Rochdale; whilst losing to the promotion rivals and finish outside again.
The bit I don’t understand, is how on earth Evans can turn up at these games and come out and say we’ve been playing well and all the rubbish with that. I genuinely don’t think I am over exaggerating, but we are absolutely woeful at the minute. |
Not with any immediacy, no. I suspect the inevitable will finally happen once it's too late and we're already looking at another season in League One. | | | |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 13:15 - Jan 12 with 1686 views | Bluefish |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 12:42 - Jan 12 by Parky |
Phil, do you honestly envisage a change coming any time soon?
Echoing what another poster has already stated, it feels as if the club have implemented an ‘us vs them’ stance where Evans is backing Lambert to the hill.
I think my first question is answered by the fact that Lambert is still here after finishing 11th last season. Nothing this season appears to be any different, if not worse. I’m sure we will slowly plod along, beating the likes of Burton and Rochdale; whilst losing to the promotion rivals and finish outside again.
The bit I don’t understand, is how on earth Evans can turn up at these games and come out and say we’ve been playing well and all the rubbish with that. I genuinely don’t think I am over exaggerating, but we are absolutely woeful at the minute. |
Why is it that surprising? Our supporters on here are more in grained to watching the ipswich way than Evans and they should have more experience of football supporting but the supporters on here in the main seem to ignore performances too. August and September this season and most were very happy, they were saying he has now got it right and the style and substance is there to see....it wasn't. Same last season people saying how great it was until Christmas when it was clear he had no idea how to build a team. The supporters make their decisions based on the league table and not the performances so why wouldn't Evans? In his mind we were a win on Saturday away from 4th. He and all support should be able to see through issues in style even when we are winning but it seems that doesn't happen. | |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 13:36 - Jan 12 with 1649 views | itfcjoe |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 13:15 - Jan 12 by Bluefish |
Why is it that surprising? Our supporters on here are more in grained to watching the ipswich way than Evans and they should have more experience of football supporting but the supporters on here in the main seem to ignore performances too. August and September this season and most were very happy, they were saying he has now got it right and the style and substance is there to see....it wasn't. Same last season people saying how great it was until Christmas when it was clear he had no idea how to build a team. The supporters make their decisions based on the league table and not the performances so why wouldn't Evans? In his mind we were a win on Saturday away from 4th. He and all support should be able to see through issues in style even when we are winning but it seems that doesn't happen. |
We clearly were playing better at the start of the season, any metric you can find will back that up but the most obvious one is the chance creation and Expected Goals stats (alongside the actual results of the game)
They were an absolute world away from what they have been in recent weeks - first couple of games here:
Whereas now the table has us down in 14th, roughly where we finished in it last season
The early part of the season was the only time in the majority of Lambert's reign where we did actually look decent, there were teething problems with the new system but since the Doncaster shellacking we've barely deserved to win a game (Burton aside) where all the games before that we had done (MK aside)
Things were improving, there were promising signs, they are long gone now as we've lost our collective bottle of the back of one bad defeat. When things go against us we don't know how to react - it was obvious in the ground as soon as Pompey scored when I was able to go how quiet we went. Even on Saturday before their 2nd goal there only looked like one winner, one wonder goal later and there seemed absolutely no way back.
Wheter it is on the pitch in game when things go against us, or when we are on a bad run, the manager is not able to turn the tide and hasn't done so at any point in his tenure (the small uptick in january 2020 aside when he felt emboldened and enlivend by his new contract).
His heart isn't in it, you just have to compare him from the sidelines when he joined and kicked every ball, to now where he looks half asleep
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 13:51 - Jan 12 with 1622 views | Bluefish |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 13:36 - Jan 12 by itfcjoe |
We clearly were playing better at the start of the season, any metric you can find will back that up but the most obvious one is the chance creation and Expected Goals stats (alongside the actual results of the game)
They were an absolute world away from what they have been in recent weeks - first couple of games here:
Whereas now the table has us down in 14th, roughly where we finished in it last season
The early part of the season was the only time in the majority of Lambert's reign where we did actually look decent, there were teething problems with the new system but since the Doncaster shellacking we've barely deserved to win a game (Burton aside) where all the games before that we had done (MK aside)
Things were improving, there were promising signs, they are long gone now as we've lost our collective bottle of the back of one bad defeat. When things go against us we don't know how to react - it was obvious in the ground as soon as Pompey scored when I was able to go how quiet we went. Even on Saturday before their 2nd goal there only looked like one winner, one wonder goal later and there seemed absolutely no way back.
Wheter it is on the pitch in game when things go against us, or when we are on a bad run, the manager is not able to turn the tide and hasn't done so at any point in his tenure (the small uptick in january 2020 aside when he felt emboldened and enlivend by his new contract).
His heart isn't in it, you just have to compare him from the sidelines when he joined and kicked every ball, to now where he looks half asleep
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The problems back then I the set up are the same problems as now. The stats shouldn't dictate if we are playing well and nor should the league table. It was a team set up to fail then and still is now. You simply cannot play the way we do with 5 free roles and expect to be a team | |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 13:55 - Jan 12 with 1611 views | itfcjoe |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 13:51 - Jan 12 by Bluefish |
The problems back then I the set up are the same problems as now. The stats shouldn't dictate if we are playing well and nor should the league table. It was a team set up to fail then and still is now. You simply cannot play the way we do with 5 free roles and expect to be a team |
If the stats show that you are creating lots of chances, and stopping the opposition from creating many chances then by definition they tell you that you are playing well.
There's no need to over complicate things and talk about too many free roles, and widemen too wide, or lack of support - it's a simple game and it is about scoring more than the opposition - and if you consistently deserve to do that (as we were) then you are playing well, if you consistently don't win that battle (as we are currently) then regardless of results you are not playing well. | |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 14:03 - Jan 12 with 1575 views | PJH |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 13:55 - Jan 12 by itfcjoe |
If the stats show that you are creating lots of chances, and stopping the opposition from creating many chances then by definition they tell you that you are playing well.
There's no need to over complicate things and talk about too many free roles, and widemen too wide, or lack of support - it's a simple game and it is about scoring more than the opposition - and if you consistently deserve to do that (as we were) then you are playing well, if you consistently don't win that battle (as we are currently) then regardless of results you are not playing well. |
I think it could be in part because of the difference between 'being there' and watching a game on TV/computer but I honestly still think that we looked far more like a team that would get promoted in the early months of 2019/20 than we ever have done this season.
No doubt possession stats are better this season and 'possession stats' seems to be a big thing now but in my opinion, we are not and never have looked as good this season as we did last. |  | | |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 14:05 - Jan 12 with 1569 views | Bluefish |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 13:55 - Jan 12 by itfcjoe |
If the stats show that you are creating lots of chances, and stopping the opposition from creating many chances then by definition they tell you that you are playing well.
There's no need to over complicate things and talk about too many free roles, and widemen too wide, or lack of support - it's a simple game and it is about scoring more than the opposition - and if you consistently deserve to do that (as we were) then you are playing well, if you consistently don't win that battle (as we are currently) then regardless of results you are not playing well. |
I can't agree or buy in to that. We have a clear and obvious failing in our set up and style. It was exactly the same setup at the start of the season but we were managing to achieve some results despite of it. We now have the same set up but it has fallen apart, it could bring some results later but regardless it won't be pretty to watch and it won't be successful over time. A new manager will take the same players and tweak the set up for more consistent performances and results but a a new manager won't get us playing joined up football with this set up. You simply cannot have wide players so wide in this set and expect to create chances, you also cannot have a free roaming 10 and a free deep cdm playing cdm and expect to be tight. It just doesn't work. The personnel change but the failings remain.
Perhaps I was unfair on Edwards early on. I still think he is technically very very poor but I blamed him for playing so wide and being a spectator, it wasn't his fault because they all do the same. It is the set up.
We all blamed Wilson and nsiala for giving too much away. They are both liabilities but again it hasn't changed it is the set up.
Some players are good enough to find some success with it by play their own way, this is what woolfy alludes to but those players like Bishop, Downes and Norwood are exceptions | |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 14:08 - Jan 12 with 1554 views | itfcjoe |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 14:03 - Jan 12 by PJH |
I think it could be in part because of the difference between 'being there' and watching a game on TV/computer but I honestly still think that we looked far more like a team that would get promoted in the early months of 2019/20 than we ever have done this season.
No doubt possession stats are better this season and 'possession stats' seems to be a big thing now but in my opinion, we are not and never have looked as good this season as we did last. |
I thought last season we built our success on getting ahead and then not conceding, whilst not threatening to go further ahead but not defending that well. There were a couple of home games where we did just blitz teams, but not many.
This years felt more sustainable, and we were creating lots more chances which was our big failing - spoiler: It wasn't sustainable.
Last year it felt as though we were giving ourselves such a great platform that we would be fine if we had the odd bad run, this year it felt more that we actually had a plan - but the manager has not adapted at all to the injuries we have suffered with regards to the availability of players and square pegs in round holes have seen any weaknesses in the set up totally exacerbated | |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 14:10 - Jan 12 with 1547 views | Parky |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 13:36 - Jan 12 by itfcjoe |
We clearly were playing better at the start of the season, any metric you can find will back that up but the most obvious one is the chance creation and Expected Goals stats (alongside the actual results of the game)
They were an absolute world away from what they have been in recent weeks - first couple of games here:
Whereas now the table has us down in 14th, roughly where we finished in it last season
The early part of the season was the only time in the majority of Lambert's reign where we did actually look decent, there were teething problems with the new system but since the Doncaster shellacking we've barely deserved to win a game (Burton aside) where all the games before that we had done (MK aside)
Things were improving, there were promising signs, they are long gone now as we've lost our collective bottle of the back of one bad defeat. When things go against us we don't know how to react - it was obvious in the ground as soon as Pompey scored when I was able to go how quiet we went. Even on Saturday before their 2nd goal there only looked like one winner, one wonder goal later and there seemed absolutely no way back.
Wheter it is on the pitch in game when things go against us, or when we are on a bad run, the manager is not able to turn the tide and hasn't done so at any point in his tenure (the small uptick in january 2020 aside when he felt emboldened and enlivend by his new contract).
His heart isn't in it, you just have to compare him from the sidelines when he joined and kicked every ball, to now where he looks half asleep
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Insightful stuff this, Joe. Many thanks for sharing. It’s always interesting to see actual analysis and figures to back up your thoughts, especially when there’s an emotional element for us. [Post edited 12 Jan 2021 14:11]
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 14:11 - Jan 12 with 1546 views | Bluefish |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 14:08 - Jan 12 by itfcjoe |
I thought last season we built our success on getting ahead and then not conceding, whilst not threatening to go further ahead but not defending that well. There were a couple of home games where we did just blitz teams, but not many.
This years felt more sustainable, and we were creating lots more chances which was our big failing - spoiler: It wasn't sustainable.
Last year it felt as though we were giving ourselves such a great platform that we would be fine if we had the odd bad run, this year it felt more that we actually had a plan - but the manager has not adapted at all to the injuries we have suffered with regards to the availability of players and square pegs in round holes have seen any weaknesses in the set up totally exacerbated |
Do you believe we would be top 2 and reasonably happy without the injuries? | |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 14:14 - Jan 12 with 1539 views | itfcjoe |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 14:05 - Jan 12 by Bluefish |
I can't agree or buy in to that. We have a clear and obvious failing in our set up and style. It was exactly the same setup at the start of the season but we were managing to achieve some results despite of it. We now have the same set up but it has fallen apart, it could bring some results later but regardless it won't be pretty to watch and it won't be successful over time. A new manager will take the same players and tweak the set up for more consistent performances and results but a a new manager won't get us playing joined up football with this set up. You simply cannot have wide players so wide in this set and expect to create chances, you also cannot have a free roaming 10 and a free deep cdm playing cdm and expect to be tight. It just doesn't work. The personnel change but the failings remain.
Perhaps I was unfair on Edwards early on. I still think he is technically very very poor but I blamed him for playing so wide and being a spectator, it wasn't his fault because they all do the same. It is the set up.
We all blamed Wilson and nsiala for giving too much away. They are both liabilities but again it hasn't changed it is the set up.
Some players are good enough to find some success with it by play their own way, this is what woolfy alludes to but those players like Bishop, Downes and Norwood are exceptions |
But that isn't how the set up was at the start of the season in reality.....we weren't playing with a free roaming 10 and a floating midfielder, we had Jon Nolan and Teddy Bishop working as a tandem and when one went the other stayed etc.
We had good partnerships in the wide positions between CHambersEdwards and Ward/Sears by having two experienced widemen in the role who had the football smarts to know when to stay and when to go and how to protect their full back, and also how to then work inside with the full back when at the top end of the pitch.
We've got the CB balance all wrong, we've gone from 2 solid and unspectaculars to the polar opposite - the way Pitman handled Woolfie and McGuinness on Saturday was a tad embarrassing for those 2 in my view.
Simply though, at the moment, we haven't got the wide players, or the CMs to play this way and haven't done for a few weeks - and that we are persisting is a huge failing. Go back to the game where Liam Gibbs starts and we have Kayden Jackson sitting on the bench - which player gives you more chance of winning the game? | |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 14:17 - Jan 12 with 1536 views | Nazemariner |
Any anomosity from me relates to my opinion that they are both average journalists at best. Neither seem to have the greatest knowledge of football, and are more interested in celebrating themselves rather than the truths about the club they are supposed to be reporting. |  | | |
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