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What's with the (increasingly hysterical) Twitter pile-on against the EADT writers? It's gone from the occasional post to an obsessing over the fact that they are noting anniversaries like the Arsenal match, and demanding they only write about sacking Lambert.
I know it's a small group doing it, but it's increasingly irritating.
Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:10 - Jan 12 by itfcjoe
Yep, but they now have decided Phil is a martyr who tried to stick it to the club and that the EADT don't. When in reality the EADT is the place that does opinion pieces from the journo which Phil doesn't bar the odd post on a message board that would need to be hunted out.
The posts are becoming increasingly angry and OTT, anything that doesn't just should Lambert out is seen as wrong. Do they not realise they have a paper to fill and it is possible to talk about other things.
We spoke about it a lot on this weeks Blue Monday, and hope we got the tone right, I listened to Kings of Anglia and they did - no-one with half a brain could have any doubt as to what the individual contributors to each podcasts views are, but no doubt that isn't enough for them either.
To be fair, I give my opinion in more places than just the forum, although the news is deliberately written from a neutral perspective. Until this year I was on Radio Suffolk every week and I still write a column in the Colchester Gazette, although they don't put it online these days.
I think I've made my position on the current management clear, even before the ban. But for the record, I didn't think PL should have been manager having finished 11th last season and, rather obviously in the circumstances, my opinion hasn't changed.
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Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:24 - Jan 12 with 1667 views
Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:23 - Jan 12 by PhilTWTD
To be fair, I give my opinion in more places than just the forum, although the news is deliberately written from a neutral perspective. Until this year I was on Radio Suffolk every week and I still write a column in the Colchester Gazette, although they don't put it online these days.
I think I've made my position on the current management clear, even before the ban. But for the record, I didn't think PL should have been manager having finished 11th last season and, rather obviously in the circumstances, my opinion hasn't changed.
He's a vindictive little scrote, but we are with you, Lord Ham!
Have you tried the old fake glasses and moustache routine yet?
Dear old footers KC - Private Counsel to Big Farmer - Liberator of Vichy TWTD
Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:23 - Jan 12 by PhilTWTD
To be fair, I give my opinion in more places than just the forum, although the news is deliberately written from a neutral perspective. Until this year I was on Radio Suffolk every week and I still write a column in the Colchester Gazette, although they don't put it online these days.
I think I've made my position on the current management clear, even before the ban. But for the record, I didn't think PL should have been manager having finished 11th last season and, rather obviously in the circumstances, my opinion hasn't changed.
POTD
This is the Ham that we loved from days of old. Dropping the media stuff and sticking it to the man
Banned from ITFC, banned from the Netherlands but keeping it real for the fans
Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:23 - Jan 12 by PhilTWTD
To be fair, I give my opinion in more places than just the forum, although the news is deliberately written from a neutral perspective. Until this year I was on Radio Suffolk every week and I still write a column in the Colchester Gazette, although they don't put it online these days.
I think I've made my position on the current management clear, even before the ban. But for the record, I didn't think PL should have been manager having finished 11th last season and, rather obviously in the circumstances, my opinion hasn't changed.
Sorry it wasn't meant as a dig, and I knew your opinion is clear - but feel that their opinion pieces are much more visible for ITFC fans as in print and easily shared - and that some on there are using your ban as evidence that you went after the club and that they are scared to do so which I don't think is the case.
Hopefully the situation gets resolved quickly with Lambert, and you will be back there soon - it surely can't go on much longer
Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:19 - Jan 12 by StokieBlue
Fair enough, I don't go on Twitter as I said but I did read his article and it could have been heavier on the manager. I know you work in the field though so would have a better grasp on the subject.
I don't doubt that Twitter has a share of people acting like idiots though.
One point I would make is that the only way that the club really gets to hear about the discontent is through the journalists, they don't scour Twitter looking at what people are saying.
SB
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Their prior stance on Magilton could be stopping them being more forthright here but it's chalk and cheese.
They have written a number of fairly direct articles but I think there's a bit of a call for something more direct. It's a simple question to ME isn't it - what evidence is there that PL is the right man for this job?
Unfortunately many of those who mouth off to Watson and others on Twitter claim to be ITK and they're frankly not. One talks about cloaks and daggers in relation to the accounts, suggests there's money being taken out of the club via interest etc - they clearly cannot read a set of accounts. There's no need to overcomplicate it - hold ME to account on his choice of manager and decision to seemingly retain a manager who is so chronically underperforming and, from the outside looking in, appears to "manage" very badly almost all aspects of the club.
Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:19 - Jan 12 by StokieBlue
Fair enough, I don't go on Twitter as I said but I did read his article and it could have been heavier on the manager. I know you work in the field though so would have a better grasp on the subject.
I don't doubt that Twitter has a share of people acting like idiots though.
One point I would make is that the only way that the club really gets to hear about the discontent is through the journalists, they don't scour Twitter looking at what people are saying.
SB
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To be honest (and really not wishing to seem contrary!) I think they'll know exactly what's going round on social media and even on here. Clubs generally do nowadays; in some cases you'd be surprised at the time spent. It's not the only bellwether but it's an important one.
Look, it's a tough one. I can't claim to be an authority as I don't work on such a local level like those guys. In a situation like this, you have to be *very, very* sure that any firm stance you take (e.g. front page call for sacking) is the right one because the repercussions either way can be pretty severe and credibility is a serious issue too. I think much of the work they've done in recent times gives a pretty unambiguous impression of how they see things. It just has to be done with care because once you go beyond a certain point there is no going back and you have to make sure you are right.
Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:41 - Jan 12 by SomethingBlue
To be honest (and really not wishing to seem contrary!) I think they'll know exactly what's going round on social media and even on here. Clubs generally do nowadays; in some cases you'd be surprised at the time spent. It's not the only bellwether but it's an important one.
Look, it's a tough one. I can't claim to be an authority as I don't work on such a local level like those guys. In a situation like this, you have to be *very, very* sure that any firm stance you take (e.g. front page call for sacking) is the right one because the repercussions either way can be pretty severe and credibility is a serious issue too. I think much of the work they've done in recent times gives a pretty unambiguous impression of how they see things. It just has to be done with care because once you go beyond a certain point there is no going back and you have to make sure you are right.
On yesterdays podcast Stu gave a proper explanation as to why they have taken approach so far, and where they are. It is all sensible stuff, but you don't even need to read between the lines to work out their position
Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:17 - Jan 12 by SomethingBlue
They don't really have a point, the journalists in question do a good job and the list of articles Watson reproduced in response to one of the whingers was telling. People are frustrated but going after journalists is a coward's way to show it — just low hanging fruit, it's unfair and I'm sure exhausting.
I think it's a symptom of the frustration. People want the situation to change and perceive that journalists have more power than they actually have and if they're not explicitly calling for a manager's head fingers are pointed in the manner they are at the moment.
The other side of that was a group of fans having a pop at me in the street when me and my wife were walking back from the Gillingham game after it became clear Joe Royle was going to be the new manager for apparently getting George Burley sacked.
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Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:56 - Jan 12 with 1550 views
Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:51 - Jan 12 by PhilTWTD
I think it's a symptom of the frustration. People want the situation to change and perceive that journalists have more power than they actually have and if they're not explicitly calling for a manager's head fingers are pointed in the manner they are at the moment.
The other side of that was a group of fans having a pop at me in the street when me and my wife were walking back from the Gillingham game after it became clear Joe Royle was going to be the new manager for apparently getting George Burley sacked.
I think historically once you lose the local press then it becomes untenable, however, given Evans and his inner circle clearly have some distain for all local media, they seem to have this us against them mentality, so if Watson and others call for his head it will fall on deaf ears in this current climate.
Even though Evans made an apology for his statement, it is quite clear that his his feelings and he won't be swayed by angry fans or local reporters.
Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:41 - Jan 12 by SomethingBlue
To be honest (and really not wishing to seem contrary!) I think they'll know exactly what's going round on social media and even on here. Clubs generally do nowadays; in some cases you'd be surprised at the time spent. It's not the only bellwether but it's an important one.
Look, it's a tough one. I can't claim to be an authority as I don't work on such a local level like those guys. In a situation like this, you have to be *very, very* sure that any firm stance you take (e.g. front page call for sacking) is the right one because the repercussions either way can be pretty severe and credibility is a serious issue too. I think much of the work they've done in recent times gives a pretty unambiguous impression of how they see things. It just has to be done with care because once you go beyond a certain point there is no going back and you have to make sure you are right.
Club will know what social media opinion is but how seriously that's taken, whether that's Twitter or what's posted on here, is more of a question. I do think the club has a history of sticking its head in the sand and treating fans' opinions as more fickle than they are. I don't think a few good results are going to change the underlying mood, for example. Might make the posts - and in normal circumstances chants from the terraces - less vociferous but another poor result will see them return.
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Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 11:04 - Jan 12 with 1532 views
Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:56 - Jan 12 by hype313
I think historically once you lose the local press then it becomes untenable, however, given Evans and his inner circle clearly have some distain for all local media, they seem to have this us against them mentality, so if Watson and others call for his head it will fall on deaf ears in this current climate.
Even though Evans made an apology for his statement, it is quite clear that his his feelings and he won't be swayed by angry fans or local reporters.
I think one of the issues is that ME isn't immersed in what's going on in terms of media and fan opinion. He relies on other people at the club, some of whom are similarly a bit detached from things.
They did hold some meetings about the situation with the media - my ban, the comments made to Brenner and Stuart at Oxford - a few weeks back and I was told they were working to resolve my situation. However, nothing has happened since.
ME won't be swayed by fan opinion, which in some ways is positive, you don't want an owner being too reactive in that manner, but equally they have to take some notice as at the end of the day the club needs their money via season tickets etc and at the moment I don't think many among the support are particularly keen on putting their hands in their pockets.
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Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 11:07 - Jan 12 with 1505 views
Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 11:04 - Jan 12 by PhilTWTD
I think one of the issues is that ME isn't immersed in what's going on in terms of media and fan opinion. He relies on other people at the club, some of whom are similarly a bit detached from things.
They did hold some meetings about the situation with the media - my ban, the comments made to Brenner and Stuart at Oxford - a few weeks back and I was told they were working to resolve my situation. However, nothing has happened since.
ME won't be swayed by fan opinion, which in some ways is positive, you don't want an owner being too reactive in that manner, but equally they have to take some notice as at the end of the day the club needs their money via season tickets etc and at the moment I don't think many among the support are particularly keen on putting their hands in their pockets.
What concerns me more is the fact that generally if you see a dip in ST sales then it's generally apathy and anger which play a part. With the pandemic, lots of people will have to tighten the belt with job losses etc, I can just see the club seeing that as the reason why ST sales will be down, rather than the fact the fans have had enough of Lambert and his poor return.
Can’t really see what the problem is, I’ve not seen any animosity towards them especially, although I could be wrong and missed certain tweets over the weekend. We as fans are generally frustrated in the direction we are heading and that’s the majority rather than the minority. The fact we are unable to attend games makes it even more difficult as both ME and PL would be able to hear the frustrations from us all on match days, silence is golden for them at the moment. The local media is our strongest voice currently, let’s be honest PL and his staff have had plenty of leeway and little has changed on the field of play. Both Watson and Warren are very fair and balanced with their views, but this consistent failure is exhausting, the time is right that the club is challenged more, it’s simply not good enough and that’s got to come from our local journalists to drive that forwards.
The local reporters have done a decent job in post-match interviews, often asking difficult questions despite how uncomfortable and combative PL is typically willing to make it.
However, one area where I think EADT (and perhaps TWTD) could go further is trying to measure the feelings and sentiment of the fan base. After the Oxford match, Watson asked PL if he thought they were ‘feeding the negativity or reflecting the mood?’. I think the most obvious and powerful response for EADT now would be to conduct a poll of readers, perhaps simply on Lambert in / out, but they could also survey on planned season ticket renewals and possible reasons. It would allow their reporting to be more fact based and remove the risk that it would appear to be a decision on their behalf to back one side of the in / out debate (if there is any real debate left to be had).
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Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 11:37 - Jan 12 with 1403 views
Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 11:04 - Jan 12 by PhilTWTD
I think one of the issues is that ME isn't immersed in what's going on in terms of media and fan opinion. He relies on other people at the club, some of whom are similarly a bit detached from things.
They did hold some meetings about the situation with the media - my ban, the comments made to Brenner and Stuart at Oxford - a few weeks back and I was told they were working to resolve my situation. However, nothing has happened since.
ME won't be swayed by fan opinion, which in some ways is positive, you don't want an owner being too reactive in that manner, but equally they have to take some notice as at the end of the day the club needs their money via season tickets etc and at the moment I don't think many among the support are particularly keen on putting their hands in their pockets.
He must be aware on *some* level surely as he must've known people were unhappy enough to make the bizarre 'we look better in the flesh than on TV' pitch and similarly was fairly swift to 'clarify' his Be Careful What You Wish For comment, knowing he'd touched a nerve.
The former statement does bring up the suggestion that perhaps he doesn't want to know and is just hoping it suddenly turns around (which would obviously be best for him but that particular corridor of opportunity is narrow enough to be impassable).
You'd have thought the team being booed of at HT and FT, and 'Lambert Out' given a good airing, in both games fans were allowed in would've hit home that it's not just a 'noisy minority' on social media which you get the impression the club are thinking (or want to think) it is.
Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand.
Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 11:35 - Jan 12 by X0Y0
The local reporters have done a decent job in post-match interviews, often asking difficult questions despite how uncomfortable and combative PL is typically willing to make it.
However, one area where I think EADT (and perhaps TWTD) could go further is trying to measure the feelings and sentiment of the fan base. After the Oxford match, Watson asked PL if he thought they were ‘feeding the negativity or reflecting the mood?’. I think the most obvious and powerful response for EADT now would be to conduct a poll of readers, perhaps simply on Lambert in / out, but they could also survey on planned season ticket renewals and possible reasons. It would allow their reporting to be more fact based and remove the risk that it would appear to be a decision on their behalf to back one side of the in / out debate (if there is any real debate left to be had).
Phil's done a number of polls on here and they are all pretty much conclusive with the general feel of the fanbase, no doubt the Archant boys have seen it.
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