| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? 09:54 - Jan 12 with 8738 views | Bobbychase |
What's with the (increasingly hysterical) Twitter pile-on against the EADT writers? It's gone from the occasional post to an obsessing over the fact that they are noting anniversaries like the Arsenal match, and demanding they only write about sacking Lambert.
I know it's a small group doing it, but it's increasingly irritating. |  |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 14:20 - Jan 12 with 1125 views | Bluefish |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 14:14 - Jan 12 by itfcjoe |
But that isn't how the set up was at the start of the season in reality.....we weren't playing with a free roaming 10 and a floating midfielder, we had Jon Nolan and Teddy Bishop working as a tandem and when one went the other stayed etc.
We had good partnerships in the wide positions between CHambersEdwards and Ward/Sears by having two experienced widemen in the role who had the football smarts to know when to stay and when to go and how to protect their full back, and also how to then work inside with the full back when at the top end of the pitch.
We've got the CB balance all wrong, we've gone from 2 solid and unspectaculars to the polar opposite - the way Pitman handled Woolfie and McGuinness on Saturday was a tad embarrassing for those 2 in my view.
Simply though, at the moment, we haven't got the wide players, or the CMs to play this way and haven't done for a few weeks - and that we are persisting is a huge failing. Go back to the game where Liam Gibbs starts and we have Kayden Jackson sitting on the bench - which player gives you more chance of winning the game? |
I think the midfield picture tells more a story of the players ability than the set up but I take you point that they weren't playing the judge role albeit Teddy was a supposed to be a 10 and close the vast void to the forward. The wide players were always playing this set up and have done whether it was
Edwards
Sears
Judge
Lankester
Bennetts
Dobra
Jackson
Any others?
The way he shuns players and then picks them in spells has always been bizarre
All in all there are no green shoots. Nothing about his tactics says he has a strength in coaching or management |  |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 14:27 - Jan 12 with 1103 views | Reuser_is_God |
I saw that div from Talking Town was having a pop.
One of them said they'd even asked to be allowed into press conferences FFS. |  |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 14:31 - Jan 12 with 1087 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 14:20 - Jan 12 by Bluefish |
I think the midfield picture tells more a story of the players ability than the set up but I take you point that they weren't playing the judge role albeit Teddy was a supposed to be a 10 and close the vast void to the forward. The wide players were always playing this set up and have done whether it was
Edwards
Sears
Judge
Lankester
Bennetts
Dobra
Jackson
Any others?
The way he shuns players and then picks them in spells has always been bizarre
All in all there are no green shoots. Nothing about his tactics says he has a strength in coaching or management |
It's almost like PL is playing this way to prove a point after ME laid down expectations in the summer. What he should have done is appoint someone competent and left them to it. I get the feeling ME feels partly responsible for what we are seeing at the moment and that's part of his reasoning for not sacking PL. He has to come out and try to pull the wool over people's eyes because this is what he insisted on. ME will be hoping the 'key players' get back and we start winning games in spite of the inadequacies of the manager in terms of set-up/coaching/organisation. |  | | |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 14:32 - Jan 12 with 1093 views | textbackup |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 14:27 - Jan 12 by Reuser_is_God |
I saw that div from Talking Town was having a pop.
One of them said they'd even asked to be allowed into press conferences FFS. |
them lot really need to be put in their place, getting far to big for their boots. absolute weapons |  |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 14:40 - Jan 12 with 1064 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 13:36 - Jan 12 by itfcjoe |
We clearly were playing better at the start of the season, any metric you can find will back that up but the most obvious one is the chance creation and Expected Goals stats (alongside the actual results of the game)
They were an absolute world away from what they have been in recent weeks - first couple of games here:
Whereas now the table has us down in 14th, roughly where we finished in it last season
The early part of the season was the only time in the majority of Lambert's reign where we did actually look decent, there were teething problems with the new system but since the Doncaster shellacking we've barely deserved to win a game (Burton aside) where all the games before that we had done (MK aside)
Things were improving, there were promising signs, they are long gone now as we've lost our collective bottle of the back of one bad defeat. When things go against us we don't know how to react - it was obvious in the ground as soon as Pompey scored when I was able to go how quiet we went. Even on Saturday before their 2nd goal there only looked like one winner, one wonder goal later and there seemed absolutely no way back.
Wheter it is on the pitch in game when things go against us, or when we are on a bad run, the manager is not able to turn the tide and hasn't done so at any point in his tenure (the small uptick in january 2020 aside when he felt emboldened and enlivend by his new contract).
His heart isn't in it, you just have to compare him from the sidelines when he joined and kicked every ball, to now where he looks half asleep
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Blubbers only likes stats when they back his position. We were clearly playing better back then and the stats bear that out. |  |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 14:40 - Jan 12 with 1064 views | itfcjoe |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 14:20 - Jan 12 by Bluefish |
I think the midfield picture tells more a story of the players ability than the set up but I take you point that they weren't playing the judge role albeit Teddy was a supposed to be a 10 and close the vast void to the forward. The wide players were always playing this set up and have done whether it was
Edwards
Sears
Judge
Lankester
Bennetts
Dobra
Jackson
Any others?
The way he shuns players and then picks them in spells has always been bizarre
All in all there are no green shoots. Nothing about his tactics says he has a strength in coaching or management |
I don't disagree with the bottom point, the lack off adaptability has been shocking with regards to showing off stregths and hiding weaknesses.
Whilst all those players have been told to play the same way, some are more capable than others at it and when he played those more capable, as in the start of the sseason, there was a hope we wouldn't just keep blindly playing the same way no matter the availability of the players required to make it work.
Even when you look at the Burton game we dropped Huws in alongside Dozzell to help out defenisvely and allowed them to take turns in pushing on - now it's straight back to Dozzell totally on his own and the rest floating around whilst the defence gets overrun |  |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 14:44 - Jan 12 with 1049 views | Bluefish |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 14:40 - Jan 12 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Blubbers only likes stats when they back his position. We were clearly playing better back then and the stats bear that out. |
You couldn't even see the issues when the defeats started, you were blindly telling everyone we were playing well when we were in free fall
My comments and opinions have been completely consistent all season and are completely valid. Nearly all now agree with them.
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 14:48 - Jan 12 with 1042 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 14:05 - Jan 12 by Bluefish |
I can't agree or buy in to that. We have a clear and obvious failing in our set up and style. It was exactly the same setup at the start of the season but we were managing to achieve some results despite of it. We now have the same set up but it has fallen apart, it could bring some results later but regardless it won't be pretty to watch and it won't be successful over time. A new manager will take the same players and tweak the set up for more consistent performances and results but a a new manager won't get us playing joined up football with this set up. You simply cannot have wide players so wide in this set and expect to create chances, you also cannot have a free roaming 10 and a free deep cdm playing cdm and expect to be tight. It just doesn't work. The personnel change but the failings remain.
Perhaps I was unfair on Edwards early on. I still think he is technically very very poor but I blamed him for playing so wide and being a spectator, it wasn't his fault because they all do the same. It is the set up.
We all blamed Wilson and nsiala for giving too much away. They are both liabilities but again it hasn't changed it is the set up.
Some players are good enough to find some success with it by play their own way, this is what woolfy alludes to but those players like Bishop, Downes and Norwood are exceptions |
Just so much nonsense. Edwards was (and still is despite being out injured for ages) our top scorer and top assister, so how on earth you can claim he was a spectator is laughable.
You're also a little liar - you didn't moan about him being too wide, you said he wasn't a footballer and you had better control than him.
You can't argue with Joe's stats - they PROVE we were playing better back then.
You care more about being right on the internet than what actually happened. | |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 14:50 - Jan 12 with 1043 views | Dyland |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:11 - Jan 12 by Bobbychase |
Evans has shown he is capable of ignoring the press before and he'll do it again.
The club has had a tonne of negative coverage - local and national - since this season started to go wrong, and have stuck with Lambert.
Season ticket renewal time will have more of an impact than an editorial in the EADT/Star ever could. |
Indeed, and it will be too late.
He can blame it on Covid of course, but I can't imagine he's actually got his head stuck up his arris that much, and it's all just empty guff to say something, anything, to the fans.
Covid will hit ST sales hard. Covid + Lambert will be catastrophic. Either...
1) Evans is doubling down and simply crossing his fingers.
2) He has written it all off and managing his bottom line going forward.
What a Hobson's choice eh?! |  |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 14:52 - Jan 12 with 1031 views | PJH |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 14:08 - Jan 12 by itfcjoe |
I thought last season we built our success on getting ahead and then not conceding, whilst not threatening to go further ahead but not defending that well. There were a couple of home games where we did just blitz teams, but not many.
This years felt more sustainable, and we were creating lots more chances which was our big failing - spoiler: It wasn't sustainable.
Last year it felt as though we were giving ourselves such a great platform that we would be fine if we had the odd bad run, this year it felt more that we actually had a plan - but the manager has not adapted at all to the injuries we have suffered with regards to the availability of players and square pegs in round holes have seen any weaknesses in the set up totally exacerbated |
All of what you say is fair but the 'getting ahead and not conceding' seems as good a way as any of getting promotion or whatever.
I am just saying that personally, I was as certain as it is possible to be regarding football at about the time that we won at Rochdale (15 games) that we would be promoted.
I still expected it despite results up until about Christmas and then January was pretty good results wise, until we lost at Rotherham.
Going into the game at home to Peterborough we were still in a reasonable position although teams were bunching up below us. It was on that day that I started to have real doubts but a killer was not winning at Wimbledon.
I even remember going to Blackpool, being pleased with the team that was picked and thinking that we could still do it from there.
As I said in my first post it is maybe partly the difference between being at a game and watching it remotely but I do not remember being very enthusiastic or optimistic about our chances of promotion at any point in this season so far. |  | | |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 14:53 - Jan 12 with 1026 views | PhilTWTD |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 14:14 - Jan 12 by itfcjoe |
But that isn't how the set up was at the start of the season in reality.....we weren't playing with a free roaming 10 and a floating midfielder, we had Jon Nolan and Teddy Bishop working as a tandem and when one went the other stayed etc.
We had good partnerships in the wide positions between CHambersEdwards and Ward/Sears by having two experienced widemen in the role who had the football smarts to know when to stay and when to go and how to protect their full back, and also how to then work inside with the full back when at the top end of the pitch.
We've got the CB balance all wrong, we've gone from 2 solid and unspectaculars to the polar opposite - the way Pitman handled Woolfie and McGuinness on Saturday was a tad embarrassing for those 2 in my view.
Simply though, at the moment, we haven't got the wide players, or the CMs to play this way and haven't done for a few weeks - and that we are persisting is a huge failing. Go back to the game where Liam Gibbs starts and we have Kayden Jackson sitting on the bench - which player gives you more chance of winning the game? |
If I remember rightly, the complaint re the widemen in the early stages was that they were playing too centrally, especially Judge when he was in the team. That was probably actually a positive from a number of angles, competing in the middle and also allowing space for the full-backs. |  | | |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 14:55 - Jan 12 with 1018 views | Dubtractor |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 14:40 - Jan 12 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Blubbers only likes stats when they back his position. We were clearly playing better back then and the stats bear that out. |
We were indeed playing better, although it would be wrong to overlook just how terrible both Wigan and Bristol Rovers were, for example.
Bristol rovers ultimately sacked their manager, and Wigan have only recently begun picking up a handful of points. |  |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 14:55 - Jan 12 with 1019 views | Bluefish |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 14:53 - Jan 12 by PhilTWTD |
If I remember rightly, the complaint re the widemen in the early stages was that they were playing too centrally, especially Judge when he was in the team. That was probably actually a positive from a number of angles, competing in the middle and also allowing space for the full-backs. |
This season? Nope I have been moaning about them being too wide all season. Lots of calls to swap Edwards to the left to try and force him inside. Our front man has been so isolated all season [Post edited 12 Jan 2021 14:59]
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 14:58 - Jan 12 with 996 views | Bluefish |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 14:48 - Jan 12 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Just so much nonsense. Edwards was (and still is despite being out injured for ages) our top scorer and top assister, so how on earth you can claim he was a spectator is laughable.
You're also a little liar - you didn't moan about him being too wide, you said he wasn't a footballer and you had better control than him.
You can't argue with Joe's stats - they PROVE we were playing better back then.
You care more about being right on the internet than what actually happened. |
If I respond to this you will cry abuse. I have tried giving you a 2nd chance since my last ban. It isn't worth it though, no more replies from me again
Clueless fckwit | |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 14:58 - Jan 12 with 996 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 14:44 - Jan 12 by Bluefish |
You couldn't even see the issues when the defeats started, you were blindly telling everyone we were playing well when we were in free fall
My comments and opinions have been completely consistent all season and are completely valid. Nearly all now agree with them.
All the best |
Instead of having a pop at me, why don't you try and engage with Joe's stats. How do you explain them and still say we were playing poorly?
Your comments and opinions on Edwards have always been bonkers in the nut and nobody agrees with them. | |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 14:58 - Jan 12 with 997 views | Dyland |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 14:17 - Jan 12 by Nazemariner |
Any anomosity from me relates to my opinion that they are both average journalists at best. Neither seem to have the greatest knowledge of football, and are more interested in celebrating themselves rather than the truths about the club they are supposed to be reporting. |
"... (the journalists) are more interested in celebrating themselves rather than the truths about the club they are supposed to be reporting."
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 15:02 - Jan 12 with 975 views | PhilTWTD |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 14:55 - Jan 12 by Bluefish |
This season? Nope I have been moaning about them being too wide all season. Lots of calls to swap Edwards to the left to try and force him inside. Our front man has been so isolated all season [Post edited 12 Jan 2021 14:59]
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He has played on the left a fair bit. I'd have preferred it more often, and I suspect he would as well. I didn't mean you specifically but the more general complaint re the widemen. | | | |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 15:04 - Jan 12 with 968 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 14:58 - Jan 12 by Bluefish |
If I respond to this you will cry abuse. I have tried giving you a 2nd chance since my last ban. It isn't worth it though, no more replies from me again
Clueless fckwit |
Well done on avoiding all of the points as usual... and nice of you to sign this post off for us at the end. | |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 15:12 - Jan 12 with 941 views | Bluefish |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 15:02 - Jan 12 by PhilTWTD |
He has played on the left a fair bit. I'd have preferred it more often, and I suspect he would as well. I didn't mean you specifically but the more general complaint re the widemen. |
He seemed to be moved to the left occasionally to accommodate others and then do well. We would all think shambo has cottoned on and then 10 mims later he would move him back to the right. I'm not sure he has started many of the left, sears or judge would start there but Edwards would move to accommodate bennetts as sub or possibly lankester. That how my memory has it | |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 15:23 - Jan 12 with 911 views | abracaDOBRA_ |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 14:27 - Jan 12 by Reuser_is_God |
I saw that div from Talking Town was having a pop.
One of them said they'd even asked to be allowed into press conferences FFS. |
He thinks having a verified tick means he should get access. He has a degree in journalism don't you know |  | | |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 15:26 - Jan 12 with 900 views | davblue |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 14:32 - Jan 12 by textbackup |
them lot really need to be put in their place, getting far to big for their boots. absolute weapons |
'Cruncher' can at points make some ok points then goes so over the top it loses all value.
Comes across as a helmet as well at times which doesn't help the points he's trying to make. |  | | |
| He's got a degree.... on 15:34 - Jan 12 with 880 views | Bloots |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 15:23 - Jan 12 by abracaDOBRA_ |
He thinks having a verified tick means he should get access. He has a degree in journalism don't you know |
...in being a jumped up little turd. |  |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 19:57 - Jan 12 with 740 views | istanblue |
Only this season when things started really spiralling have they actually challenged Lambert in interviews and press conferences. Until then it was all softball questions ala Brenner Woolley and iFollow Ipswich.
Also, Watson stated on KOA podcast that the EADT is considering running an editorial on wanting Lambert out but ''that point hasn't been reached yet''. This sounds like bs to me and a smokescreen to appease both fans and the club. We're midtable League One with no sign of things improving and yet the chief football writer covering ITFC doesn't think we've reached the point where Lambert should be told by the local newspaper to do one. Sorry but that's not good enough imo. |  | | |
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