| How come Oli Hawkins... 09:52 - Jan 30 with 2812 views | chicoazul |
...Can get his knee operated on right away but my family member can’t have her brain tumour operated on for at least three months? |  |
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| How come Oli Hawkins... on 09:55 - Jan 30 with 1523 views | SamWhiteUK |
Money? |  | | |
| How come Oli Hawkins... on 09:56 - Jan 30 with 1514 views | Keno |
I hope she's ok?
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| How come Oli Hawkins... on 09:57 - Jan 30 with 1506 views | jayessess |
They'll have gone private. Sorry to hear about your family member. |  |
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| How come Oli Hawkins... on 10:00 - Jan 30 with 1495 views | chicoazul |
| How come Oli Hawkins... on 09:55 - Jan 30 by SamWhiteUK |
Money? |
So in other words, the question is not about capacity and our healthcare system being overwhelmed. It’s about money.
Thank you for your kind words the boyos who have contributed thus far. | |
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| How come Oli Hawkins... on 10:04 - Jan 30 with 1465 views | hoppy |
Sorry to hear that. Unfortunately it is what happens when you go private, as oli hawkins would’ve been I expect. Unless your family member has gone private too, and still has that wait, which is awful. I hope she gets it sooner and is ok. |  |
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| How come Oli Hawkins... on 10:06 - Jan 30 with 1446 views | BloomBlue |
| How come Oli Hawkins... on 10:00 - Jan 30 by chicoazul |
So in other words, the question is not about capacity and our healthcare system being overwhelmed. It’s about money.
Thank you for your kind words the boyos who have contributed thus far. |
Sorry about your family member but I assume they've gone to a private hospital not an NHS hospital. |  | | |
| How come Oli Hawkins... on 10:06 - Jan 30 with 1444 views | jayessess |
| How come Oli Hawkins... on 10:00 - Jan 30 by chicoazul |
So in other words, the question is not about capacity and our healthcare system being overwhelmed. It’s about money.
Thank you for your kind words the boyos who have contributed thus far. |
It is, and it's unfair. Private practice continuing was one of the bribes the 1945-51 Labour Government had to offer doctors to get them on board with the NHS, sadly.
Hope your relative gets well soon. They 're not supposed to leave you waiting so long that it becomes a factor in the outcome. [Post edited 30 Jan 2021 10:07]
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| How come Oli Hawkins... on 10:14 - Jan 30 with 1398 views | chicoazul |
| How come Oli Hawkins... on 10:06 - Jan 30 by jayessess |
It is, and it's unfair. Private practice continuing was one of the bribes the 1945-51 Labour Government had to offer doctors to get them on board with the NHS, sadly.
Hope your relative gets well soon. They 're not supposed to leave you waiting so long that it becomes a factor in the outcome. [Post edited 30 Jan 2021 10:07]
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I don’t mind private healthcare, I’ve had it in the past and I think people should be able to have it if they want/can afford it. Germany has a good blend in that sense.
What I do mind is the bleating I hear from the Doctors Surgeons and the wider government messaging about “don’t overwhelm our healthcare systems” when clearly they aren’t overwhelmed or even near to it, if someone can have a knee injury operated on right quick so long as they can pay for it.
Edit; thanks for your second point but they seem confident it won’t......fingers crossed [Post edited 30 Jan 2021 10:18]
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| How come Oli Hawkins... on 10:31 - Jan 30 with 1307 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| How come Oli Hawkins... on 10:14 - Jan 30 by chicoazul |
I don’t mind private healthcare, I’ve had it in the past and I think people should be able to have it if they want/can afford it. Germany has a good blend in that sense.
What I do mind is the bleating I hear from the Doctors Surgeons and the wider government messaging about “don’t overwhelm our healthcare systems” when clearly they aren’t overwhelmed or even near to it, if someone can have a knee injury operated on right quick so long as they can pay for it.
Edit; thanks for your second point but they seem confident it won’t......fingers crossed [Post edited 30 Jan 2021 10:18]
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Private hospitals aren't part of the national healthcare system. That's the bit you don't seem to be getting. |  |
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| How come Oli Hawkins... on 10:35 - Jan 30 with 1290 views | chicoazul |
| How come Oli Hawkins... on 10:31 - Jan 30 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Private hospitals aren't part of the national healthcare system. That's the bit you don't seem to be getting. |
When did I say they were? When did I say anything about the “national” healthcare system? Learn to read Jerseys. | |
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| How come Oli Hawkins... on 10:37 - Jan 30 with 1276 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| How come Oli Hawkins... on 10:35 - Jan 30 by chicoazul |
When did I say they were? When did I say anything about the “national” healthcare system? Learn to read Jerseys. |
You said: "What I do mind is the bleating I hear from the Doctors Surgeons and the wider government messaging about “don’t overwhelm our healthcare systems” when clearly they aren’t overwhelmed or even near to it."
It's the national healthcare system that's overwhelmed, not private ones... and nobody has said private ones are overwhelmed.
Learn to be less dumb, Chickers. | |
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| How come Oli Hawkins... on 10:41 - Jan 30 with 1252 views | bluejacko |
| How come Oli Hawkins... on 10:37 - Jan 30 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You said: "What I do mind is the bleating I hear from the Doctors Surgeons and the wider government messaging about “don’t overwhelm our healthcare systems” when clearly they aren’t overwhelmed or even near to it."
It's the national healthcare system that's overwhelmed, not private ones... and nobody has said private ones are overwhelmed.
Learn to be less dumb, Chickers. |
Being overwhelmed has not stopped NHS surgery’s charging £100 for Hgv medical though! I hope your family member gets sorted soon. [Post edited 30 Jan 2021 10:43]
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| How come Oli Hawkins... on 10:44 - Jan 30 with 1239 views | chicoazul |
| How come Oli Hawkins... on 10:37 - Jan 30 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You said: "What I do mind is the bleating I hear from the Doctors Surgeons and the wider government messaging about “don’t overwhelm our healthcare systems” when clearly they aren’t overwhelmed or even near to it."
It's the national healthcare system that's overwhelmed, not private ones... and nobody has said private ones are overwhelmed.
Learn to be less dumb, Chickers. |
My point is about the money aspect. Everyone else seems to get it but I see you’re still Olympically thick. | |
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| How come Oli Hawkins... on 10:45 - Jan 30 with 1229 views | chicoazul |
| How come Oli Hawkins... on 10:41 - Jan 30 by bluejacko |
Being overwhelmed has not stopped NHS surgery’s charging £100 for Hgv medical though! I hope your family member gets sorted soon. [Post edited 30 Jan 2021 10:43]
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Thank you blud. | |
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| How come Oli Hawkins... on 10:50 - Jan 30 with 1196 views | Guthrum |
| How come Oli Hawkins... on 10:14 - Jan 30 by chicoazul |
I don’t mind private healthcare, I’ve had it in the past and I think people should be able to have it if they want/can afford it. Germany has a good blend in that sense.
What I do mind is the bleating I hear from the Doctors Surgeons and the wider government messaging about “don’t overwhelm our healthcare systems” when clearly they aren’t overwhelmed or even near to it, if someone can have a knee injury operated on right quick so long as they can pay for it.
Edit; thanks for your second point but they seem confident it won’t......fingers crossed [Post edited 30 Jan 2021 10:18]
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Firstly, hope your family member gets her treatment ASAP and makes a full recovery.
It's probably also the case that a complex operation on the brain requires a lot more resources than a routine knee repair job. That includes the after-care, where your relative will require more extended and intensive nursing than Hawkins, who might be back home the same day with the club doing any physio required. It's specifically ICU facilities which are currently under strain. |  |
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| How come Oli Hawkins... on 10:54 - Jan 30 with 1177 views | chicoazul |
| How come Oli Hawkins... on 10:50 - Jan 30 by Guthrum |
Firstly, hope your family member gets her treatment ASAP and makes a full recovery.
It's probably also the case that a complex operation on the brain requires a lot more resources than a routine knee repair job. That includes the after-care, where your relative will require more extended and intensive nursing than Hawkins, who might be back home the same day with the club doing any physio required. It's specifically ICU facilities which are currently under strain. |
On the one hand, yes that’s true.
On the other they have said “private operation options exist for this procedure” and encouraged us to investigate them. And speaking to someone who is in a similar boat to us it’s the same surgeon either performing or “managing” the procedure privately or on the NHS!
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| How come Oli Hawkins... on 11:22 - Jan 30 with 1110 views | mrshallisfit |
| How come Oli Hawkins... on 10:37 - Jan 30 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You said: "What I do mind is the bleating I hear from the Doctors Surgeons and the wider government messaging about “don’t overwhelm our healthcare systems” when clearly they aren’t overwhelmed or even near to it."
It's the national healthcare system that's overwhelmed, not private ones... and nobody has said private ones are overwhelmed.
Learn to be less dumb, Chickers. |
Regardless of the sad plight of one of his family members nothing in either of the healthcare systems can cure criminal thickness by him i'm afraid. | | | |
| How come Oli Hawkins... on 11:25 - Jan 30 with 1097 views | mrshallisfit |
| How come Oli Hawkins... on 10:44 - Jan 30 by chicoazul |
My point is about the money aspect. Everyone else seems to get it but I see you’re still Olympically thick. |
Ehhh. Your point wasnt originally about the money aspect. | | | |
| How come Oli Hawkins... on 11:27 - Jan 30 with 1092 views | mrshallisfit |
| How come Oli Hawkins... on 10:00 - Jan 30 by chicoazul |
So in other words, the question is not about capacity and our healthcare system being overwhelmed. It’s about money.
Thank you for your kind words the boyos who have contributed thus far. |
Its very simple. The NHS is being overwhelmed by the pandemic. The private system is not. Thats pretty simple to understand isn't it. | | | |
| How come Oli Hawkins... on 11:29 - Jan 30 with 1085 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| How come Oli Hawkins... on 10:44 - Jan 30 by chicoazul |
My point is about the money aspect. Everyone else seems to get it but I see you’re still Olympically thick. |
Maybe you should've said that then, rather than bleating about hospitals not being overwhelmed. Thicko. | |
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| How come Oli Hawkins... on 11:29 - Jan 30 with 1080 views | Moriarty |
OP - I hope your family member gets the best of care when it comes.
I can’t begin to imagine the frustration and worry she will go through over the next 3 months.
I have a friend who has had like surgery and is going through the process of recovery. |  |
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| How come Oli Hawkins... on 11:30 - Jan 30 with 1076 views | mrshallisfit |
| How come Oli Hawkins... on 11:29 - Jan 30 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Maybe you should've said that then, rather than bleating about hospitals not being overwhelmed. Thicko. |
He doesn't seem the sharpest tool in the box does he. | | | |
| How come Oli Hawkins... on 11:30 - Jan 30 with 1072 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| How come Oli Hawkins... on 11:27 - Jan 30 by mrshallisfit |
Its very simple. The NHS is being overwhelmed by the pandemic. The private system is not. Thats pretty simple to understand isn't it. |
You'd have thought so. | |
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| How come Oli Hawkins... on 11:31 - Jan 30 with 1071 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
I hope your family member has successful treatment at the right time.
Sometimes these operation dates are due to radiotherapy and chemo before wanting to operate but I expect you know all the details and this isn't the reason in this case.
I know someone living a brain tumour who has done for many years. |  |
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| How come Oli Hawkins... on 11:34 - Jan 30 with 1060 views | BlueBadger |
Capacity and staffing innit.
By and large, neurosurgery is done within the NHS as you tend to need a specialised ITU bed post-op as well as hugely specialised staff to look after them and perform surgery, plus the recovery period requiring hospitalisation afterwards tends to be longer. Even if the latter is available, the former have probably been co-opted to provide additional ITU beds and crucially, advanced respiratory support for acutely ill covid cases - these facilities tend to be NHS facilities as generally speaking, the private sector, which has probably been where Hawkins has had his knee done, are not set up for his as they are profit driven organisations and both ITU care and swathes of specialist staff are both thin on the ground and crucially, expensive.
Private ITU faculties DO exist in this country, but they are very few and far between and quite possibly seconded to NHS patients at present.
Knee surgery on the other hand, is on the whole, quick and easy to do(orthopaedic surgeons are the butt of 'stupid' jokes in the healthcare, much like people from Norfolk are in Suffolk), low risk, fast turnover and doesn't require hordes of extremely clever specialist people to do aftercare on. [Post edited 30 Jan 2021 13:28]
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