| FAO Phil Ham 21:08 - Feb 9 with 8284 views | ScottCandage |
It's time.
TWTD MUST come out and call for the sacking or resignation of Paul Lambert. |  | | |  |
| FAO Phil Ham on 21:33 - Feb 9 with 4387 views | ScottCandage |
| FAO Phil Ham on 21:29 - Feb 9 by BlueandTruesince82 |
Quite... Phil has been clear about his personal opinion so why do more to damage a relationship that we all want TWTD to have with the club.
TWTD splashing a headline will just further get Shambo's back up and might make him dig in.... he won't resign, too much money involved but he might say look Marcus lets thrash out a mutual consent deal |
Phil ain't getting back in by any other way. Whether he calls for PL's sacking or not, he's not getting in. It's not about that though, really. Stop bringing it up people. | | | |
| FAO Phil Ham on 21:33 - Feb 9 with 4385 views | ScottCandage |
| FAO Phil Ham on 21:32 - Feb 9 by N2_Blue |
it really wouldn't |
At the end of the day, I'm willing to respectfully disagree with this, but I know you N2, and I think you all know me. We all just want the club to improve. | | | |
| FAO Phil Ham on 21:34 - Feb 9 with 4381 views | TieDyedIn95 |
| FAO Phil Ham on 21:23 - Feb 9 by N2_Blue |
why would it make any difference?
If Evans doesn't sack PL based on what has happened over the last 3 years why is he going to sack him because Phil Ham says he should.
Evans is a fool. 9 defeats out of 9 to top six sides. No other manager would survive that. But Evans its a tool and no doubt says each week, 'Unlucky Paul, have another go next week' |
Then maybe we make Evans the centerpiece now? Drag his name through the mud and enforce a boycott of all ST, iFollows, merch, and pick on any scab who refuses to join us. |  |
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| FAO Phil Ham on 21:34 - Feb 9 with 4376 views | jeera |
| FAO Phil Ham on 21:31 - Feb 9 by ScottCandage |
Because it has never done so before is why it would have such an impact. |
Because, as others and I have tried to say briefly above, TWTD isn't an opinion based site, it is a news reporting site.
Not that's it's my place of course, I'm just attempting to reply to you why that would be breaking with protocol.
Offering a personal negative opinion would only drive a larger wedge between the club and TWTD and potential longer term damage for the relations. |  |
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| FAO Phil Ham on 21:34 - Feb 9 with 4372 views | J2BLUE |
| FAO Phil Ham on 21:27 - Feb 9 by ScottCandage |
We only do what we can do. I don't dream that Marcus Evans will somehow listen to Phil about firing Paul Lambert. But Phil stating that Lambert should go is the RIGHT THING TO DO!!!
Not sure why this is getting such pushback. |
It's getting pushback because it would make zero difference and antagonise the club even more. TWTD needs to build bridges (yes it's entirely the club's fault). This won't help the site. You're asking them to do something which could damage the site and not make any difference.
You want to do something meaningful? Create a thread asking people to sign if they agree it's time for Lambert to go. List all the reasons why and provide evidence. Everyone who signs can then send you a PM with their customer number. This will show Evans we aren't just made up names on a forum.
Don't just try and hand the responsibility to the site. If you want to do something then do something. [Post edited 9 Feb 2021 21:35]
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| FAO Phil Ham on 21:37 - Feb 9 with 4344 views | ScottCandage |
| FAO Phil Ham on 21:34 - Feb 9 by TieDyedIn95 |
Then maybe we make Evans the centerpiece now? Drag his name through the mud and enforce a boycott of all ST, iFollows, merch, and pick on any scab who refuses to join us. |
I think we've tried to do so, and I think that continues. But please, don't take my request of Phil as pressure. I've been a member of this board for20 years, I will never have a beef with Phil. I respect Phil, but that's why I ask this of him. Because I believe this board (that he controls) IS the voice of the fans, and I ask TWTD (i.e. Phil) to call for his sacking/resignation. I'm just asking him to do so. Not demanding. | | | |
| FAO Phil Ham on 21:39 - Feb 9 with 4322 views | GavTWTD |
| FAO Phil Ham on 21:34 - Feb 9 by jeera |
Because, as others and I have tried to say briefly above, TWTD isn't an opinion based site, it is a news reporting site.
Not that's it's my place of course, I'm just attempting to reply to you why that would be breaking with protocol.
Offering a personal negative opinion would only drive a larger wedge between the club and TWTD and potential longer term damage for the relations. |
We've been called a "fanzine" recently and I think this proves we're anything but. |  |
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| FAO Phil Ham on 21:41 - Feb 9 with 4288 views | jeera |
| FAO Phil Ham on 21:39 - Feb 9 by GavTWTD |
We've been called a "fanzine" recently and I think this proves we're anything but. |
Yes, many of us have posted agreeing that was quite the insult.
It also show the ignorance of the club's current set-up. | |
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| FAO Phil Ham on 21:44 - Feb 9 with 4265 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| FAO Phil Ham on 21:33 - Feb 9 by ScottCandage |
Phil ain't getting back in by any other way. Whether he calls for PL's sacking or not, he's not getting in. It's not about that though, really. Stop bringing it up people. |
No but if and when Lambo goes Phil might get back in.... running a Lambo out headline may prevent any chance of that..... It's fine for EADT, I'm not belittling TWTD but it's a v different circumstance its a much more difficult position for Phil so why should he further risk a relationship with the club when it may be repairable when Lambo goes esp when the feelings are already clear.
TBH doing so just further plays into the narrative around the forum that Lambo and others around the club are trying to write so why give them the ammunition? Esp when the user created content speaks for itself. There is no need and little point.
I think your viewpoint lacks nuance |  |
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| 84.2% and counting on 21:45 - Feb 9 with 4249 views | ScottCandage |
On the TWTD poll to sack Paul Lambert. Phil, speak for us. | | | |
| FAO Phil Ham on 21:50 - Feb 9 with 4210 views | ScottCandage |
| FAO Phil Ham on 21:44 - Feb 9 by BlueandTruesince82 |
No but if and when Lambo goes Phil might get back in.... running a Lambo out headline may prevent any chance of that..... It's fine for EADT, I'm not belittling TWTD but it's a v different circumstance its a much more difficult position for Phil so why should he further risk a relationship with the club when it may be repairable when Lambo goes esp when the feelings are already clear.
TBH doing so just further plays into the narrative around the forum that Lambo and others around the club are trying to write so why give them the ammunition? Esp when the user created content speaks for itself. There is no need and little point.
I think your viewpoint lacks nuance |
I don't believe that calling for Paul's sacking will result in a permanent ban. The fact is that whether Paul Lambert wants to respect the forecoming fact or not, it is and has been true for 20 years - PHIL HAM IS A MEMBER OF THE PRESS and his readership is and has been for quite a while worthy of respect. Paul Lambert dismisses Phil as merely an internet thing. He dismisses US as he dismissed Phil.
I think that a new management team, one without biases and the sensitivity of Paul Lambert to honest criticism, would welcome such an honest journalist back into the fold.
But still, he ain't getting back in by being silent. Don't fool yourself. | | | |
| FAO Phil Ham on 21:59 - Feb 9 with 4149 views | haynes_toe1 |
Whats the point? Half the forum wanted to give Lambert another chance because we scraped past Blackpool last week. |  | | |
| FAO Phil Ham on 22:09 - Feb 9 with 4121 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| FAO Phil Ham on 21:50 - Feb 9 by ScottCandage |
I don't believe that calling for Paul's sacking will result in a permanent ban. The fact is that whether Paul Lambert wants to respect the forecoming fact or not, it is and has been true for 20 years - PHIL HAM IS A MEMBER OF THE PRESS and his readership is and has been for quite a while worthy of respect. Paul Lambert dismisses Phil as merely an internet thing. He dismisses US as he dismissed Phil.
I think that a new management team, one without biases and the sensitivity of Paul Lambert to honest criticism, would welcome such an honest journalist back into the fold.
But still, he ain't getting back in by being silent. Don't fool yourself. |
Whether you belive Lambo going would result in reinstatement or not the point is that it puts it at further risk. Why do that.
Ultimately its Phil's decision but it's quite unfair to call for him to write it when TWTD is at least part of his livelihood. | |
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| FAO Phil Ham on 22:15 - Feb 9 with 4084 views | J2BLUE |
| FAO Phil Ham on 22:09 - Feb 9 by BlueandTruesince82 |
Whether you belive Lambo going would result in reinstatement or not the point is that it puts it at further risk. Why do that.
Ultimately its Phil's decision but it's quite unfair to call for him to write it when TWTD is at least part of his livelihood. |
This is classic "this is what I want but I want someone else to do it and take all the risk". | |
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| FAO Phil Ham on 22:19 - Feb 9 with 4061 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| FAO Phil Ham on 22:15 - Feb 9 by J2BLUE |
This is classic "this is what I want but I want someone else to do it and take all the risk". |
What I would say is if people really want him gone sign this and I will send it to the club if we get enough signatures but we need numbers so share, ask family and friends to sign lets make the point.... lots of people saying we need to do something about it, well here is one avenue.
Sign and Share
http://chng.it/vHYVT58Mj6 | |
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| FAO Phil Ham on 05:08 - Feb 10 with 3923 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| FAO Phil Ham on 21:29 - Feb 9 by footers |
Why would TWTD take a partisan stance when it never has done before?
The lack of access is already costing the site money, so demanding Phil makes a stance on your behalf is pretty insulting to him, to be honest. |
In what way is the lack of access costing the site money? |  |
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| FAO Phil Ham on 05:09 - Feb 10 with 3923 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| FAO Phil Ham on 21:09 - Feb 9 by Swailsey |
Whilst I understand your point, I think given their current situation, it may not be wise.
They did back the EADT’s stance to be fair. [Post edited 9 Feb 2021 21:44]
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Really? Phil's banned anyway, what difference would it make? | |
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| FAO Phil Ham on 08:03 - Feb 10 with 3812 views | sotd78 |
Running a news paper or a fan base website requires access to the club. It requires balance and careful questions not gung ho editorials that take extreme stances. The (again) voluble minority yelling on here do not always represent the silent majority. So by all means do something yourself but never lose sight that journalists and editors don’t always have much sway. Some do in big newspapers and tv stations...but little old TWTD probably doesn’t.
Btw don’t read into this anything about my stance on Paul Lambert. |  |
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| FAO Phil Ham on 08:19 - Feb 10 with 3781 views | shamboy |
Phil is doing just the right thing. He is maintaining his dignity, and this bolsters whatever chance he has of being re-admitted to press conferences. It's not a fashionable thing to do, admittedly.
By the way, the idea that ITFC have some sort of obligation to help Phil to generate income is ridiculous.
This will play out in the long term. If Phil wants to get back in the club will need to believe that he is onside. | | | |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 00:21 - Feb 12 with 3639 views | sotd78 |
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| FAO Phil Ham on 01:00 - Feb 12 with 3603 views | J2BLUE |
| FAO Phil Ham on 05:08 - Feb 10 by The_Flashing_Smile |
In what way is the lack of access costing the site money? |
Not sure but Gav said it was costing the site. Assume he meant financially but not 100% sure. | |
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| It's ridiculous to call it an extreme stance. Absolutely ridiculous. nt (n/t) on 08:01 - Feb 12 with 3512 views | HighgateBlue |
| FAO Phil Ham on 08:03 - Feb 10 by sotd78 |
Running a news paper or a fan base website requires access to the club. It requires balance and careful questions not gung ho editorials that take extreme stances. The (again) voluble minority yelling on here do not always represent the silent majority. So by all means do something yourself but never lose sight that journalists and editors don’t always have much sway. Some do in big newspapers and tv stations...but little old TWTD probably doesn’t.
Btw don’t read into this anything about my stance on Paul Lambert. |
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| FAO Phil Ham on 08:09 - Feb 12 with 3497 views | HighgateBlue |
| FAO Phil Ham on 08:19 - Feb 10 by shamboy |
Phil is doing just the right thing. He is maintaining his dignity, and this bolsters whatever chance he has of being re-admitted to press conferences. It's not a fashionable thing to do, admittedly.
By the way, the idea that ITFC have some sort of obligation to help Phil to generate income is ridiculous.
This will play out in the long term. If Phil wants to get back in the club will need to believe that he is onside. |
Check out the first word above the TWTD logo: "INDEPENDENT".
That's what this site has always claimed to be. Phil appears not to have formed a view yet about whether he thinks Lambert is doing a terrific job. If a desire for the club to think that the site is "on side" is the reason why, then the site is not independent, and we may as well all be as disillusioned in this site as we are in the football club. | | | |
| FAO Phil Ham on 08:11 - Feb 12 with 3490 views | DanTheMan |
| FAO Phil Ham on 08:09 - Feb 12 by HighgateBlue |
Check out the first word above the TWTD logo: "INDEPENDENT".
That's what this site has always claimed to be. Phil appears not to have formed a view yet about whether he thinks Lambert is doing a terrific job. If a desire for the club to think that the site is "on side" is the reason why, then the site is not independent, and we may as well all be as disillusioned in this site as we are in the football club. |
"Phil appears not to have formed a view yet about whether he thinks Lambert is doing a terrific job."
I mean he certainly has a personal view, which he's expressed on here quite a few times.
That's different than an editorial line. And given the situation he is in with the club, I imagine he does not want to burn any more bridges. |  |
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| FAO Phil Ham on 08:16 - Feb 12 with 3477 views | gordon |
| FAO Phil Ham on 21:18 - Feb 9 by ScottCandage |
Here's the deal, and IMHO, if you or Phil don't get this, you just won't.
Phil Ham will never be allowed back in Portman Road while Paul Lambert is in charge.
But my request has ZERO to do with that.
I ask Phil Ham to make the call for TWTD (i.e., the fans) to call for Paul Lambert's resignation or sacking because of the poor results on the pitch and the team decisions that Lambert has made or not made. |
Think this is missing the point of a forum - the whole idea is that we don't have one leader who speaks on our behalf, but leadership is fully devolved to those who have expertise in particular areas like Veganism/Corbyn/technical football/hummus etc. |  | | |
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