| EU seeing public resistance to the AZ vaccine 23:22 - Feb 18 with 13268 views | StokieBlue |
From the Guardian:
"Doctors and public health officials have pleaded with Germans to take up AstraZeneca Covid vaccines, AFP reports. German healthcare facilities have reported several hundred thousand vials sitting unused and rampant no-shows at scheduled appointments.
Officials in Italy, Austria and Bulgaria were also starting to signal some public resistance to the British vaccine, and France’s health minister, Olivier Véran, got the jab live on television to drum up support.
“If you are given the choice between AstraZeneca now or another vaccine in a few months, you should definitely take AstraZeneca now,” implored Carsten Watzl, general secretary of the German Society for Immunology."
This is all the result of the careless and confrontational language which was being bandied around a few weeks back about the AZ vaccine, a lot of it incorrect or hyperbole. Just another thing they haven't handled correctly and it's really having an effect. Having unused vials of AZ sitting around as the public are refusing it is criminal at the moment when there are countless countries who would take it in an instant.
Shambolic and depressing.
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| EU seeing public resistance to the AZ vaccine on 09:25 - Feb 20 with 1611 views | GlasgowBlue |
| EU seeing public resistance to the AZ vaccine on 22:20 - Feb 19 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Starting to get that guinea pig feeling again now. Looks like corners may well have been cut. |
To say corners were cut and describing recipients of the AZ vaccine as “guinea pigs is not only unhelpful, it’s tin foil hat anti vax propaganda. |  |
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| EU seeing public resistance to the AZ vaccine on 10:00 - Feb 20 with 1573 views | StokieBlue |
| EU seeing public resistance to the AZ vaccine on 08:13 - Feb 20 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Unknowable long term consequences and the possibility of corners being cut/concerns overlooked due to the urgency of needing a 'solution.'
Fwiw, myself and her that knows best are booked in for next weekend...it seems that even us youngsters are getting done now. |
The possible short term consequences of not having it though are hospitalisation and death. Unlikely of course but the risk is still there.
Corners weren't cut with any of the vaccines, in fact the clinical trials were larger than they would have been in a "normal" vaccine rollout. Urgency and speed doesn't have to equate to less stringency and accuracy. Vaccine rollouts are usually slow because there isn't the urgency or funding available that there is at the moment.
Also worth noting that in the last 10 years the efficacy of the flu vaccine hasn't ever passed 60% and the last 4 years it was around 40% at most (only 21% in 2018) yet nobody seems to have a problem with this or with having their flu jabs. The trials to work out that efficacy were based on around 8000 people which is far smaller than the trials for the C19 vaccines.
I think in the end you need to go do your own research on this and perhaps read one of the studies on stage 3 trials and the commentary. I am not sure that you're going to be able to make a decision based on what you've seen on here if you haven't already.
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| EU seeing public resistance to the AZ vaccine on 10:49 - Feb 20 with 1539 views | Moriarty |
| EU seeing public resistance to the AZ vaccine on 23:04 - Feb 19 by mikeybloo88 |
Confounded you so much (not hard to do I shouldn't think) that you couldn't reply to me directly...just a sneaky down vote and a sly aside way later on in the comments. Brave lad...that's the way to stick up for your country |
Your post was racist. A cheap heard it all before snipe.
Your second post, now under reply, is a reflection on you. And you alone.
Have a nice stay on my div list. |  |
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| EU seeing public resistance to the AZ vaccine on 11:03 - Feb 20 with 1535 views | WD19 |
| EU seeing public resistance to the AZ vaccine on 00:18 - Feb 19 by factual_blue |
It's a good job our Government hasn't made poor decision based on their own ludicrous, half-baked libertarian views.
If they had, we'd be looking at almost 120,000 Covid-related deaths.
Oh.... |
Yeah, but Boris.....
...or is it Corbyn......or Marcus Evans?
I lose track of the rules with the ‘yeah but deflection game’. |  | | |
| EU seeing public resistance to the AZ vaccine on 12:02 - Feb 20 with 1514 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| EU seeing public resistance to the AZ vaccine on 09:25 - Feb 20 by GlasgowBlue |
To say corners were cut and describing recipients of the AZ vaccine as “guinea pigs is not only unhelpful, it’s tin foil hat anti vax propaganda. |
You haven't read the link then! Sometimes the most unhelpful thing of all is just being meekly and unquestioningly compliant! |  |
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| EU seeing public resistance to the AZ vaccine on 12:06 - Feb 20 with 1512 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| EU seeing public resistance to the AZ vaccine on 10:00 - Feb 20 by StokieBlue |
The possible short term consequences of not having it though are hospitalisation and death. Unlikely of course but the risk is still there.
Corners weren't cut with any of the vaccines, in fact the clinical trials were larger than they would have been in a "normal" vaccine rollout. Urgency and speed doesn't have to equate to less stringency and accuracy. Vaccine rollouts are usually slow because there isn't the urgency or funding available that there is at the moment.
Also worth noting that in the last 10 years the efficacy of the flu vaccine hasn't ever passed 60% and the last 4 years it was around 40% at most (only 21% in 2018) yet nobody seems to have a problem with this or with having their flu jabs. The trials to work out that efficacy were based on around 8000 people which is far smaller than the trials for the C19 vaccines.
I think in the end you need to go do your own research on this and perhaps read one of the studies on stage 3 trials and the commentary. I am not sure that you're going to be able to make a decision based on what you've seen on here if you haven't already.
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So what about the suggestion of varying standards of production for the trial vaccines?
I did mention that I have made my decision fwiw! | |
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| EU seeing public resistance to the AZ vaccine on 12:43 - Feb 20 with 1499 views | StokieBlue |
| EU seeing public resistance to the AZ vaccine on 12:06 - Feb 20 by BanksterDebtSlave |
So what about the suggestion of varying standards of production for the trial vaccines?
I did mention that I have made my decision fwiw! |
I hadn't seen that you had made your decision.
That article said there was a suggestion which wasn't proven and that might affect the FDA's decision. Our own agency has approved it as have the WHO and the EU's agency. The FDA haven't decided but the US are basically just using their own vaccines anyway.
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| EU seeing public resistance to the AZ vaccine on 13:36 - Feb 20 with 1464 views | mikeybloo88 |
| EU seeing public resistance to the AZ vaccine on 10:49 - Feb 20 by Moriarty |
Your post was racist. A cheap heard it all before snipe.
Your second post, now under reply, is a reflection on you. And you alone.
Have a nice stay on my div list. |
I'm gutted, not the dreaded div list? Grow some, stop hiding behind the R card nonsense and refute my point. Convince me that Ireland would ever have considered anything other than the EU line on the AZ vaccine...and risk getting your Pfizer supplies throttled back by breaking ranks? Actually, don't bother...I expect neither of us gives a damn. |  | | |
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| EU seeing public resistance to the AZ vaccine on 10:29 - Feb 22 with 1377 views | GlasgowBlue |
So the AZ vaccine is more effective than Pfizer among the over 80s. Shame on Macron, the German government and all those who tried to undermine confidence in it for political reasons and thereby reducing uptake. | |
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| EU seeing public resistance to the AZ vaccine on 10:31 - Feb 22 with 1374 views | hype313 |
| EU seeing public resistance to the AZ vaccine on 10:29 - Feb 22 by GlasgowBlue |
So the AZ vaccine is more effective than Pfizer among the over 80s. Shame on Macron, the German government and all those who tried to undermine confidence in it for political reasons and thereby reducing uptake. |
France are where we were in December, looks like they might have to lockdown again, which would cause huge ramifications for him politically.
All because of his ego. |  |
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| EU seeing public resistance to the AZ vaccine on 14:36 - Feb 22 with 1315 views | GlasgowBlue |
| EU seeing public resistance to the AZ vaccine on 10:31 - Feb 22 by hype313 |
France are where we were in December, looks like they might have to lockdown again, which would cause huge ramifications for him politically.
All because of his ego. |
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| EU seeing public resistance to the AZ vaccine on 14:41 - Feb 22 with 1301 views | Churchman |
| EU seeing public resistance to the AZ vaccine on 10:31 - Feb 22 by hype313 |
France are where we were in December, looks like they might have to lockdown again, which would cause huge ramifications for him politically.
All because of his ego. |
People could die unnecessarily because of his ego. He is not the only one in the EU either that has potentially put politics before lives. |  | | |
| EU seeing public resistance to the AZ vaccine on 14:47 - Feb 22 with 1291 views | StokieBlue |
| EU seeing public resistance to the AZ vaccine on 10:31 - Feb 22 by hype313 |
France are where we were in December, looks like they might have to lockdown again, which would cause huge ramifications for him politically.
All because of his ego. |
It's not about the messaging though, it's about wanting the better vaccine.
Which could be the AZ one after todays numbers on hospitalisations. We need more data on that of course but could be a double whammy of mistakes here and highlights the issues of politicians making statements on science far too early. Preventing hospitalisations is the most important thing for these vaccines to do at the moment.
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| EU seeing public resistance to the AZ vaccine on 16:45 - Feb 22 with 1239 views | Leaky |
| EU seeing public resistance to the AZ vaccine on 10:43 - Feb 19 by longtimefan |
I may have been misinformed, but I was told if you have the Pfizer vaccine you have to wait 15 mins after to check for no reaction, but for the AZ you are allowed to leave immediately. Can anyone confirm? |
I had the AZ vaccine I was told not to drive for 15 minuets I went back to work after wards no side effects |  | | |
| EU seeing public resistance to the AZ vaccine on 08:25 - Feb 25 with 1161 views | longtimefan |
| EU seeing public resistance to the AZ vaccine on 16:45 - Feb 22 by Leaky |
I had the AZ vaccine I was told not to drive for 15 minuets I went back to work after wards no side effects |
I had the Pfizer yesterday and did indeed have to wait in reception for 15 minutes.
Going back to the original thrust of this thread. Incredible to hear the head of the German Vaccine committee say on R4 this morning that they have 1 million AZ doses sitting waiting to be used because people are refusing it. They’ve only managed to give 200,000 does of AZ so far. |  | | |
| EU seeing public resistance to the AZ vaccine on 08:48 - Feb 25 with 1108 views | Churchman |
| EU seeing public resistance to the AZ vaccine on 08:25 - Feb 25 by longtimefan |
I had the Pfizer yesterday and did indeed have to wait in reception for 15 minutes.
Going back to the original thrust of this thread. Incredible to hear the head of the German Vaccine committee say on R4 this morning that they have 1 million AZ doses sitting waiting to be used because people are refusing it. They’ve only managed to give 200,000 does of AZ so far. |
If you are in Germany, rates of coronavirus are relatively low. VDL keeps on saying the U.K. programme and early approvals are risky and rushed and AZ is linked to the U.K, Emperor Macron said it doesn’t work, the German politicians said it was rubbish, their health people banned it for over 65 use, other countries younger and the Swiss totally.
Why on earth would you want that jollop pumped into your arm?? If I was a German living in say beautiful Bavaria, I’d wait for the good stuff that works.
Complete nonsense of course. Thanks to the politicians, the pitiful take up of AZ in Europe is entirely understandable. They are reaping what they’ve sown on this and no amount of ‘it really is good’ is going to change it. The genie is out of the bottle.
The EU should donate all of its AZ supplies to places that want it. AZ who have had their reputation totally trashed should look to relocate out of the EU. | | | |
| EU seeing public resistance to the AZ vaccine on 09:37 - Feb 25 with 1071 views | sibrespace |
| EU seeing public resistance to the AZ vaccine on 08:51 - Feb 20 by BanksterDebtSlave |
"It was bad enough when a study released last week concluded that AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine was largely ineffective against the aggressive B.1.351 variant that recently emerged in South Africa. Now, analysts are wondering whether inconsistent manufacturing of the vaccine for the clinical trials may have muddied the results–concerns that could give the FDA pause when considering the vaccine for emergency use."
...from the link I was replying about. Also their are concerns about the newer technology and auto immune responses expressed in a link from Stokie...all just considerations for making an informed as possible choice. |
I read this and got a bit concerned. Then I looked up who the analysts are that are quoted extensively and form the basis for this article.
They are SVB Leerink who are US Investment Bankers specialising in BioPharma.
A US investment bank advising on whether or not to buy stocks in a non US based pharmaceutical company isn’t likely to be very balanced, and possibly indicates how much of a commercial threat the likes of Pfizer view their rival. | | | |
| EU seeing public resistance to the AZ vaccine on 20:52 - Feb 25 with 1025 views | StokieBlue |
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/25/acceptance-problem-as-most-oxford-
The take-up of AZ is awful in the EU (80% unused), there are various reasons but they are admitting the messaging hasn't helped at all and that it's difficult to get the accurate messages out about the vaccine now, especially given new data on AZ.
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| EU seeing public resistance to the AZ vaccine on 20:54 - Feb 25 with 1023 views | hype313 |
Not helped by Merkel refusing the AZ vaccine. | |
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