| Vegetarianism and veganism 18:56 - Feb 24 with 6423 views | Swansea_Blue |
I genuinely believe we need to break down the stigma around these. I’m convinced they are better both for us, animals (obviously) and the environment. Particularly I think we need to challenge the ‘macho’ view around eating meat, as let’s face it that’s a load of balls; it’s not as if we’ve gone out and hunted it at great risk to ourselves.
Having said that, we’re having fillet steak tonight. And I’m really looking forward to it  . A little bit of mixed spice on it, triple cooked chips and some petit poi’s (or as we say post-Brexit little peas). Lush. |  |
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| Vegetarianism and veganism on 19:38 - Feb 24 with 868 views | monytowbray |
| Vegetarianism and veganism on 19:21 - Feb 24 by J2BLUE |
But animals are sentient and most people claim to love them. I don't agree with everything vegans say but that is pretty on point. If you claim to love animals but eat meat people don't want that contradiction pointed out.
Smoking and drinking (in excess) tend to damage yourself only. Eating animal products is possibly damaging yourself and is also hurting both animals and the environment so people don't want to hear it. |
But.
It.
Is.
A.
Contradiction.
Just because people live on denial of that doesn’t mean we should live in a fake reality. |  |
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| Vegetarianism and veganism on 19:42 - Feb 24 with 864 views | J2BLUE |
| Vegetarianism and veganism on 19:36 - Feb 24 by monytowbray |
You gonna tell me there’s no stigma when you’re still clinging to flexitarianism 😂 |
That makes no sense? I'm just being honest. How is that anything to do with stigma? |  |
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| Vegetarianism and veganism on 19:42 - Feb 24 with 862 views | Illinoisblue |
As others have said, is there a stigma anymore? If you meet people at work or wherever and they say they’re a veggie, does anyone do any more than shrug.
There definitely is a conversation to be had about mass production of meat and the problems that causes. |  |
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| Vegetarianism and veganism on 19:42 - Feb 24 with 860 views | DanTheMan |
I was doing very well recently, almost no meat.
The I got put on this bloody diet (not a weight loss one, one for health) and it's all gone out the window.
The list of things I'm not allowed to eat is absolutely insane. The two biggest killers are no onion or garlic at all, then pretty much all beans and things like that are out.
Lots of other vegetables out.
Absolute nightmare. |  |
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| Vegetarianism and veganism on 19:43 - Feb 24 with 854 views | monytowbray |
| Vegetarianism and veganism on 19:42 - Feb 24 by J2BLUE |
That makes no sense? I'm just being honest. How is that anything to do with stigma? |
If you accept harming animals = bad and still have to pre-load with “But I’m not a vegan” that’s a stigma.
It may be cognitive, but it’s a thing. | |
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| Vegetarianism and veganism on 19:43 - Feb 24 with 848 views | theipswichfile |
| Vegetarianism and veganism on 19:14 - Feb 24 by Swansea_Blue |
Doesn’t that just illustrate the stigma? I don’t think you’d get kick back and talk of preaching for something else that had been shown to be not especially good. E.g. we don’t accuse people of preaching when they say we should smoke or drink less. |
There are some people who are pretty sanctimonious about it all, I think that is what irks some people. I do make you right in that there are numerous reasons why vegetarianism and veganism should be taken more seriously, but just like any worthy cause there is always a cohort of militant holier-than-thou folk that harm the message - google 'That Vegan Teacher' for an extreme example.
It definitely goes both ways though, we've all seen some halfwit berating vegetarians and vegans on social media or pouring fuel on the fire of an advert for a vegan sausage roll from Greg's for the twitter clout. I think if more people knew how messed-up the production of food was in terms of animal rights and how much water is used is raising these animals for slaughter, and the negative impact this has on the environment, there would be more sympathy from carnivores... but that could be wishful thinking.
I have dramatically reduced the amount of meat and animal products I eat over the last 18 months but could definitely do more. I would find it hard to be able to afford a strictly vegan diet and still get enough nutrients at my size and build; nuts and pulses are an extremely expensive source of protein and vegan ready meals, just like non-vegan ones are loaded with crap we don't need.
With regards to your point about smoking, I quit smoking about a year ago and have to say I have definitely been preached to about that in the past as well. I was always a pretty considerate smoker because second-hand smoke is not something people generally want. A very overweight colleague of mine once had the brass neck to tell me that smoking was bad for me - I would probably have found myself in a disciplinary if I told her it was bad for her to eat as much as she did. |  | | |
| Vegetarianism and veganism on 19:44 - Feb 24 with 844 views | monytowbray |
| Vegetarianism and veganism on 19:42 - Feb 24 by Illinoisblue |
As others have said, is there a stigma anymore? If you meet people at work or wherever and they say they’re a veggie, does anyone do any more than shrug.
There definitely is a conversation to be had about mass production of meat and the problems that causes. |
It isn’t like it was, 15 years ago you’d have staff in restaurants insult you for ordering the veggie option (happened more than once). | |
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| Vegetarianism and veganism on 19:46 - Feb 24 with 832 views | monytowbray |
| Vegetarianism and veganism on 19:43 - Feb 24 by theipswichfile |
There are some people who are pretty sanctimonious about it all, I think that is what irks some people. I do make you right in that there are numerous reasons why vegetarianism and veganism should be taken more seriously, but just like any worthy cause there is always a cohort of militant holier-than-thou folk that harm the message - google 'That Vegan Teacher' for an extreme example.
It definitely goes both ways though, we've all seen some halfwit berating vegetarians and vegans on social media or pouring fuel on the fire of an advert for a vegan sausage roll from Greg's for the twitter clout. I think if more people knew how messed-up the production of food was in terms of animal rights and how much water is used is raising these animals for slaughter, and the negative impact this has on the environment, there would be more sympathy from carnivores... but that could be wishful thinking.
I have dramatically reduced the amount of meat and animal products I eat over the last 18 months but could definitely do more. I would find it hard to be able to afford a strictly vegan diet and still get enough nutrients at my size and build; nuts and pulses are an extremely expensive source of protein and vegan ready meals, just like non-vegan ones are loaded with crap we don't need.
With regards to your point about smoking, I quit smoking about a year ago and have to say I have definitely been preached to about that in the past as well. I was always a pretty considerate smoker because second-hand smoke is not something people generally want. A very overweight colleague of mine once had the brass neck to tell me that smoking was bad for me - I would probably have found myself in a disciplinary if I told her it was bad for her to eat as much as she did. |
Are scientists militant for being correct based on evidence though?
Again, the defence of there not being a stigma is then followed up with a stigma. | |
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| Vegetarianism and veganism on 19:47 - Feb 24 with 829 views | Herbivore |
| Vegetarianism and veganism on 19:43 - Feb 24 by theipswichfile |
There are some people who are pretty sanctimonious about it all, I think that is what irks some people. I do make you right in that there are numerous reasons why vegetarianism and veganism should be taken more seriously, but just like any worthy cause there is always a cohort of militant holier-than-thou folk that harm the message - google 'That Vegan Teacher' for an extreme example.
It definitely goes both ways though, we've all seen some halfwit berating vegetarians and vegans on social media or pouring fuel on the fire of an advert for a vegan sausage roll from Greg's for the twitter clout. I think if more people knew how messed-up the production of food was in terms of animal rights and how much water is used is raising these animals for slaughter, and the negative impact this has on the environment, there would be more sympathy from carnivores... but that could be wishful thinking.
I have dramatically reduced the amount of meat and animal products I eat over the last 18 months but could definitely do more. I would find it hard to be able to afford a strictly vegan diet and still get enough nutrients at my size and build; nuts and pulses are an extremely expensive source of protein and vegan ready meals, just like non-vegan ones are loaded with crap we don't need.
With regards to your point about smoking, I quit smoking about a year ago and have to say I have definitely been preached to about that in the past as well. I was always a pretty considerate smoker because second-hand smoke is not something people generally want. A very overweight colleague of mine once had the brass neck to tell me that smoking was bad for me - I would probably have found myself in a disciplinary if I told her it was bad for her to eat as much as she did. |
Vegans are infinitely more likely to be interrogated about why they're vegan and have their choice challenged than they are to try and convince others to change their lifestyle. Unless they're Callis, obvs. |  |
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| Vegetarianism and veganism on 19:48 - Feb 24 with 819 views | J2BLUE |
| Vegetarianism and veganism on 19:43 - Feb 24 by monytowbray |
If you accept harming animals = bad and still have to pre-load with “But I’m not a vegan” that’s a stigma.
It may be cognitive, but it’s a thing. |
It's called honesty. Admitting i'm not doing as good as I can be rather than pretending I am vegan on the internet for no reason.
Nothing to do with any stigma. | |
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| Vegetarianism and veganism on 19:51 - Feb 24 with 808 views | monytowbray |
| Vegetarianism and veganism on 19:47 - Feb 24 by Herbivore |
Vegans are infinitely more likely to be interrogated about why they're vegan and have their choice challenged than they are to try and convince others to change their lifestyle. Unless they're Callis, obvs. |
I do enjoy the shift in attitudes towards veganism and then being told it has nothing to do with anything I’ve posted and I’ve just “chilled out” lol.
As many pointed out, there are just generally less defensive and stupid “BERT BERKERN” comments around the topic these days. | |
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| Vegetarianism and veganism on 19:52 - Feb 24 with 802 views | Herbivore |
| Vegetarianism and veganism on 19:51 - Feb 24 by monytowbray |
I do enjoy the shift in attitudes towards veganism and then being told it has nothing to do with anything I’ve posted and I’ve just “chilled out” lol.
As many pointed out, there are just generally less defensive and stupid “BERT BERKERN” comments around the topic these days. |
Myself and eireblue put in a lot of good work during one of your breaks from the forum. | |
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| Vegetarianism and veganism on 19:52 - Feb 24 with 801 views | Fixed_It |
We went meat free for January, and have now decided to only eat meat at weekends. My conscience and masculinity are unscathed. |  |
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| Vegetarianism and veganism on 19:54 - Feb 24 with 789 views | monytowbray |
| Vegetarianism and veganism on 19:48 - Feb 24 by J2BLUE |
It's called honesty. Admitting i'm not doing as good as I can be rather than pretending I am vegan on the internet for no reason.
Nothing to do with any stigma. |
I’ve always felt your posts are worded more in defence of keeping meat in a diet than an admission of fault personally but if I’m wrong I apologise.
If more people knew how to cook properly and were wider educated on global dishes it would be easier for most. But even now the market is there for those with less time/knowledge available on cooking. I can’t think of many dishes I haven’t eaten since going vegan that don’t rival the “real” thing.
My daughter has lived here 2 months now and all I ever get back are empty plates! | |
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| Vegetarianism and veganism on 19:57 - Feb 24 with 783 views | monytowbray |
| Vegetarianism and veganism on 19:52 - Feb 24 by Herbivore |
Myself and eireblue put in a lot of good work during one of your breaks from the forum. |
I know I know. You are both good scrambled tofus :)
I don’t miss being accused of comparing eating meat to the holocaust and slavery by deflectionists, still probably owed a few more apologies but this is TWTD. | |
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| Vegetarianism and veganism on 19:57 - Feb 24 with 785 views | jeera |
| Vegetarianism and veganism on 19:51 - Feb 24 by monytowbray |
I do enjoy the shift in attitudes towards veganism and then being told it has nothing to do with anything I’ve posted and I’ve just “chilled out” lol.
As many pointed out, there are just generally less defensive and stupid “BERT BERKERN” comments around the topic these days. |
Why do you try to make everything about you though?
Is it some sort of insecurity do you think?
There are billions of vegetarians/vegans all over the world, entire cultures and lifestyles that existed before you were born.
People often practice what they do I'd guess, but don't tend to mention it on any thread you get involved in because you just trash any discussion being held.
Everything is somehow 'cognitive dissonance', any time you manage to squeeze it in where you can. It reminds me of a mate of mine years ago who'd learned 'decadent' and he kept using it every time he saw an opportunity. It was a bit awkward to be honest.
Just have a normal conversation like a normal person. |  |
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| Vegetarianism and veganism on 19:57 - Feb 24 with 781 views | Fixed_It |
| Vegetarianism and veganism on 19:54 - Feb 24 by monytowbray |
I’ve always felt your posts are worded more in defence of keeping meat in a diet than an admission of fault personally but if I’m wrong I apologise.
If more people knew how to cook properly and were wider educated on global dishes it would be easier for most. But even now the market is there for those with less time/knowledge available on cooking. I can’t think of many dishes I haven’t eaten since going vegan that don’t rival the “real” thing.
My daughter has lived here 2 months now and all I ever get back are empty plates! |
Look in the plant pots and under the bed! | |
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| Vegetarianism and veganism on 19:59 - Feb 24 with 770 views | theipswichfile |
| Vegetarianism and veganism on 19:46 - Feb 24 by monytowbray |
Are scientists militant for being correct based on evidence though?
Again, the defence of there not being a stigma is then followed up with a stigma. |
I'm really only talking about the kind of people that go to supermarkets to interrogate and intimidate people who are either buying or selling meat products. An extreme example that doesn't happen that much, but one which will get a lot of traction online through click-bait and tends to create a stigma among people who don't bother to read the article or look for a balanced argument against.
What I'm talking about is that there are a lot of people who, yes, do seem to be threatened by the rise of veganism and in turn react with aggression against that. The media, mainstream of social, consistently creates these arguments which then make people feel like they are being preached to, even if in reality they really aren't.
I'm not disputing the science at all. | | | |
| Vegetarianism and veganism on 20:00 - Feb 24 with 771 views | jeera |
| Vegetarianism and veganism on 19:54 - Feb 24 by monytowbray |
I’ve always felt your posts are worded more in defence of keeping meat in a diet than an admission of fault personally but if I’m wrong I apologise.
If more people knew how to cook properly and were wider educated on global dishes it would be easier for most. But even now the market is there for those with less time/knowledge available on cooking. I can’t think of many dishes I haven’t eaten since going vegan that don’t rival the “real” thing.
My daughter has lived here 2 months now and all I ever get back are empty plates! |
"I’ve always felt your posts are worded more in defence of keeping meat in a diet than an admission of fault personally but if I’m wrong I apologise."
You are not owed an explanation.
It's a bizarre take you have on this. | |
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| Vegetarianism and veganism on 20:01 - Feb 24 with 762 views | monytowbray |
| Vegetarianism and veganism on 19:57 - Feb 24 by jeera |
Why do you try to make everything about you though?
Is it some sort of insecurity do you think?
There are billions of vegetarians/vegans all over the world, entire cultures and lifestyles that existed before you were born.
People often practice what they do I'd guess, but don't tend to mention it on any thread you get involved in because you just trash any discussion being held.
Everything is somehow 'cognitive dissonance', any time you manage to squeeze it in where you can. It reminds me of a mate of mine years ago who'd learned 'decadent' and he kept using it every time he saw an opportunity. It was a bit awkward to be honest.
Just have a normal conversation like a normal person. |
Because I do take it personally when I had my character dragged through the mud over this stuff years ago and then hear people say there are no stigmas.
But if a Jeera personal attack essay is the best argument you’ve got you aren’t going to get far. You’ll just get sweary and storm off. But if you fancy it...
I can go to people who actually know me if I want some criticism of my character and a mental evaluation, cheers. [Post edited 24 Feb 2021 20:03]
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| Vegetarianism and veganism on 20:03 - Feb 24 with 757 views | textbackup |
aldi vegan sausages, in a wrap with smashed avocado has been my daily lunch for the past 3/4 weeks. followed by a meaty dinner.
variety is the spice of life |  |
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| Vegetarianism and veganism on 20:04 - Feb 24 with 750 views | monytowbray |
| Vegetarianism and veganism on 20:03 - Feb 24 by textbackup |
aldi vegan sausages, in a wrap with smashed avocado has been my daily lunch for the past 3/4 weeks. followed by a meaty dinner.
variety is the spice of life |
I still don’t get avocado hype. | |
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| Vegetarianism and veganism on 20:06 - Feb 24 with 745 views | MattinLondon |
| Vegetarianism and veganism on 20:01 - Feb 24 by monytowbray |
Because I do take it personally when I had my character dragged through the mud over this stuff years ago and then hear people say there are no stigmas.
But if a Jeera personal attack essay is the best argument you’ve got you aren’t going to get far. You’ll just get sweary and storm off. But if you fancy it...
I can go to people who actually know me if I want some criticism of my character and a mental evaluation, cheers. [Post edited 24 Feb 2021 20:03]
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It wasn’t really an all out attack was it? More of a Lambert style one which you’ve bizarrely neatly put into your own net. |  | | |
| Vegetarianism and veganism on 20:06 - Feb 24 with 741 views | monytowbray |
| Vegetarianism and veganism on 19:59 - Feb 24 by theipswichfile |
I'm really only talking about the kind of people that go to supermarkets to interrogate and intimidate people who are either buying or selling meat products. An extreme example that doesn't happen that much, but one which will get a lot of traction online through click-bait and tends to create a stigma among people who don't bother to read the article or look for a balanced argument against.
What I'm talking about is that there are a lot of people who, yes, do seem to be threatened by the rise of veganism and in turn react with aggression against that. The media, mainstream of social, consistently creates these arguments which then make people feel like they are being preached to, even if in reality they really aren't.
I'm not disputing the science at all. |
The world never changed without people challenging social norms with disruption though. You coild argue any protest is doing exactly that.
Edgy opinion maybe but animals deserve rights not far off from humans. Factory farming need eradicating and the “official” welfare watchdogs need to stop being favourable of farmers in every regard, that’d be a good start. | |
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| Vegetarianism and veganism on 20:08 - Feb 24 with 739 views | monytowbray |
| Vegetarianism and veganism on 20:06 - Feb 24 by MattinLondon |
It wasn’t really an all out attack was it? More of a Lambert style one which you’ve bizarrely neatly put into your own net. |
I still think there’s little substitute for being informed, regardless of how a point is made. | |
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