| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 22:38 - Mar 12 with 785 views | borge |
| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 20:36 - Mar 12 by bluelagos |
To argue it is morally wrong I assume you are of the opinion it is unsafe with regards to the spread of CV? If I thought it was, I'd agree with you. I don't. I don't believe standing socially distanced, outside with a mask on is an unsafe thing to do.
Ironically, if the vigils were inside a church, they would be legal and far more dangerous. Maybe you'd then be happy? But I wouldnt as I think that would be unsafe. |
Correct, I do believe it is unsafe from a COVID perspective.
And no, I wouldn't be happy if it were in a church. Even though that may be legal, I would still think it was dangerous, more so in fact.
In terms of your other point about the guy and his mother's grave, whilst that may be 'illegal' it is a very different scenario to the one you are advocating - unless of course he is travelling by public transport in which case he is putting others in danger.
There is no clear answer here and no black or white. The whole thing is a one massive haze of grey in one way or another, but from a personal perspective I will continue to do all I can to ensure I don't put others in danger because the health and wellbeing of the majority is the most important thing right now. Just my opinion. |  | |  |
| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 22:40 - Mar 12 with 776 views | textbackup |
have the occupants of Norwich road been made aware of this? because of all I hear about feeling unsure and uneasy by women in this town, its almost always with mention to the large groups of eastern European men that leer and approach them in town.
of course this will/would go down like a sack of sht on here, but its true.
many of us were brought up to respect women, i'll always do my bit to ensure I can help... offering a taxi first on a night out if they are stood alone, removing hat/hood if dog walking. But the amount of girls/women I see walking with earphones in, not aware of their surroundings, makes you wonder how seriously they take their safety (they shouldn't HAVE to worry, I get that, but this is the sad world we live in) |  |
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| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 22:45 - Mar 12 with 764 views | bluelagos |
| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 22:38 - Mar 12 by borge |
Correct, I do believe it is unsafe from a COVID perspective.
And no, I wouldn't be happy if it were in a church. Even though that may be legal, I would still think it was dangerous, more so in fact.
In terms of your other point about the guy and his mother's grave, whilst that may be 'illegal' it is a very different scenario to the one you are advocating - unless of course he is travelling by public transport in which case he is putting others in danger.
There is no clear answer here and no black or white. The whole thing is a one massive haze of grey in one way or another, but from a personal perspective I will continue to do all I can to ensure I don't put others in danger because the health and wellbeing of the majority is the most important thing right now. Just my opinion. |
I am pretty aligned with all of that. I think the only significant difference is yours and my differing belief about the risks of transmission when outdoors. The attached is quite informative quoting scientific studies highlighting how rare outside transmission is.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/20/ban-on-outside-sport-can-end-top-s |  |
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| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 22:47 - Mar 12 with 758 views | J2BLUE |
What do this group actually want to achieve? What is the end goal?
I'm all for the event and we should make the effort to make it as safe as possible but i'm curious what it is they are wanting to achieve. |  |
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| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 22:50 - Mar 12 with 753 views | jeera |
| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 22:40 - Mar 12 by textbackup |
have the occupants of Norwich road been made aware of this? because of all I hear about feeling unsure and uneasy by women in this town, its almost always with mention to the large groups of eastern European men that leer and approach them in town.
of course this will/would go down like a sack of sht on here, but its true.
many of us were brought up to respect women, i'll always do my bit to ensure I can help... offering a taxi first on a night out if they are stood alone, removing hat/hood if dog walking. But the amount of girls/women I see walking with earphones in, not aware of their surroundings, makes you wonder how seriously they take their safety (they shouldn't HAVE to worry, I get that, but this is the sad world we live in) |
If there's a cultural difference in that part of town that exacerbates the issue then it should be addressed.
There has been a campaign going on for ages to make all sexual harassment against the law. Introducing that would mean everyone is answerable equally.
How that would be enforced though is anyone's guess.
I've signed a petition or two and people are being encouraged to write to their mp too, which I am also happy to do, although if they'll take any notice, who knows? |  |
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| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 22:56 - Mar 12 with 732 views | bluelagos |
| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 22:47 - Mar 12 by J2BLUE |
What do this group actually want to achieve? What is the end goal?
I'm all for the event and we should make the effort to make it as safe as possible but i'm curious what it is they are wanting to achieve. |
I am not a spokesperson for them.
But from what I can tell, the aim is first and foremost to hold a vigil in memory of Sarah.
Given that the planned event is just 30 minutes and with no planned speakers (the BLM protest in Ipswich was like 3 hours with half a dozen speakers and was advertised in the press and was given police backing) I think the Ipswich event, if it takes place at all, will attract significantly fewer people.
That's as far as I know. The Clapham event will am sure be much larger, if it goes ahead. | |
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| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 22:58 - Mar 12 with 726 views | J2BLUE |
| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 22:56 - Mar 12 by bluelagos |
I am not a spokesperson for them.
But from what I can tell, the aim is first and foremost to hold a vigil in memory of Sarah.
Given that the planned event is just 30 minutes and with no planned speakers (the BLM protest in Ipswich was like 3 hours with half a dozen speakers and was advertised in the press and was given police backing) I think the Ipswich event, if it takes place at all, will attract significantly fewer people.
That's as far as I know. The Clapham event will am sure be much larger, if it goes ahead. |
Fair enough.
For a group which doesn't feel safe the fact this was a police officer must just make it even worse. | |
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| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 22:58 - Mar 12 with 729 views | textbackup |
| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 22:50 - Mar 12 by jeera |
If there's a cultural difference in that part of town that exacerbates the issue then it should be addressed.
There has been a campaign going on for ages to make all sexual harassment against the law. Introducing that would mean everyone is answerable equally.
How that would be enforced though is anyone's guess.
I've signed a petition or two and people are being encouraged to write to their mp too, which I am also happy to do, although if they'll take any notice, who knows? |
"If there's a cultural difference in that part of town that exacerbates the issue then it should be addressed."
addressed by the public, nothing will be done by the police.... who wont have the sufficient funds to give that the attention it needs unfortunately. they've not even been able to stop the gatherings down there during a world wide pandemic, and national lockdown.
as an Ipswich resident with a grandma, nanny, mum, wife, sister, 2 daughters and a niece I know not a single 1 of those wouldn't be completely safe around there in the day, or night. | |
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| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 23:00 - Mar 12 with 716 views | J2BLUE |
| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 22:58 - Mar 12 by textbackup |
"If there's a cultural difference in that part of town that exacerbates the issue then it should be addressed."
addressed by the public, nothing will be done by the police.... who wont have the sufficient funds to give that the attention it needs unfortunately. they've not even been able to stop the gatherings down there during a world wide pandemic, and national lockdown.
as an Ipswich resident with a grandma, nanny, mum, wife, sister, 2 daughters and a niece I know not a single 1 of those wouldn't be completely safe around there in the day, or night. |
Completely agree. | |
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| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 23:01 - Mar 12 with 718 views | bluelagos |
| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 22:50 - Mar 12 by jeera |
If there's a cultural difference in that part of town that exacerbates the issue then it should be addressed.
There has been a campaign going on for ages to make all sexual harassment against the law. Introducing that would mean everyone is answerable equally.
How that would be enforced though is anyone's guess.
I've signed a petition or two and people are being encouraged to write to their mp too, which I am also happy to do, although if they'll take any notice, who knows? |
There are calls to make 'cat calling' a specific offence. Presume that's pretty much what you are describing?
Agree it's hard to police but I think still a welcome law, if only to change the mindset. | |
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| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 23:24 - Mar 12 with 676 views | Ryorry |
| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 21:36 - Mar 12 by Pinewoodblue |
Think the only way is doing something virtually., but it doesn’t get the coverage. Suspect this group have been looking for a high profile case to highlight what is something of a problem. Something is wrong if a significant number of women feel unsafe in any environment.
There are at incidents everyday, somewhere in the UK, but it needs to be high profile to gain maximum coverage.
I attended a funeral yesterday in King’s Lynn. The journey, from Ipswich, doubled my mileage for the year. Apart from medical trips, or some essential shopping the car has stayed on the driveway.
You can make sure everyone making a protest maintains social distancing but you cannot control how people get there. There is no way any planned vigil is essential. By organizing a protest, knowing that the majority of those who attend will be breaking law by making a non essential journey you are yourself breaking the law. |
Sorry to go all nerdy on you Piners, but surely at a central location in a very large town like Ipswich, this event is aimed at locals? who could easily walk or cycle there as part of their permitted daily exercise.
It's up to individuals to exercise their own judgement - including those who do go having the sense to fan out to the edge of the space or further - or even go home, if they see when they arrive that the numbers already there won't allow social distancing.
Having said that, the issue generally has been around for at least half a century, so I whilst I understand wanting to do something now because of the awful topicality, I don't understand the urgency. I'd have thought that waiting say 3 months & holding the event in June when obviously daylight & outdoor temperatures will be better, as well as the threat from Covid somewhat diminished, would be a better option. |  |
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| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 08:33 - Mar 13 with 606 views | Churchman |
| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 23:24 - Mar 12 by Ryorry |
Sorry to go all nerdy on you Piners, but surely at a central location in a very large town like Ipswich, this event is aimed at locals? who could easily walk or cycle there as part of their permitted daily exercise.
It's up to individuals to exercise their own judgement - including those who do go having the sense to fan out to the edge of the space or further - or even go home, if they see when they arrive that the numbers already there won't allow social distancing.
Having said that, the issue generally has been around for at least half a century, so I whilst I understand wanting to do something now because of the awful topicality, I don't understand the urgency. I'd have thought that waiting say 3 months & holding the event in June when obviously daylight & outdoor temperatures will be better, as well as the threat from Covid somewhat diminished, would be a better option. |
I agree with waiting a little while until the rules ease and the weather improves. It would also keep this issue in the forefront rather than disappearing after a few days of headlines, like so many things do.
This and and the other thread on it has been really interesting and informative. One of the more important ones too. Thank you to all the posters that have made it so. |  | | |
| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 11:22 - Mar 13 with 555 views | BlueBadger |
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14 hours too late on the draw, McGraw! See p 3 '(p 3' seems to be rapidly acquiring a whole new meaning to that in the tabloids of the bad old days, thankfully). | |
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