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Horrible scenes coming from there. Irrespective of Covid considerations it’s not nice to see them literally dragging young women away who are sitting peacefully by their signs and candles. They’re behaving like the bloody Stasi.
We’ll see more of this too with the new policing bill. A dark day for the UK.
Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 20:01 - Mar 13 by Swansea_Blue
Horrible scenes coming from there. Irrespective of Covid considerations it’s not nice to see them literally dragging young women away who are sitting peacefully by their signs and candles. They’re behaving like the bloody Stasi.
We’ll see more of this too with the new policing bill. A dark day for the UK.
If they were abiding by the current covid rules then there would be no need to drag them away. You cannot have one law for one and another for the rest irrespective of the cause.
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Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 20:09 - Mar 13 with 2353 views
Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 20:01 - Mar 13 by Swansea_Blue
Horrible scenes coming from there. Irrespective of Covid considerations it’s not nice to see them literally dragging young women away who are sitting peacefully by their signs and candles. They’re behaving like the bloody Stasi.
We’ll see more of this too with the new policing bill. A dark day for the UK.
It's obscene is what it is. Young women, upset, angry, scared at recent events and the police think it is appropriate to ban a vigil, to refuse to engage with those wishing to make it safe, peaceful and respectful.
I called it the other day - in one swoop they have undone all the good will for their sensible policing during the CV pandemic (unlike some other forces) by behaving in this manner.
For what? 2 weeks before CV restrictions are relaxed, when the rates of CV are down at around 1 in 300, when they had a group happy to arrange stewarding etc. to make in CV secure.
Their job is to deescalate situations, not inflame them.
Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 20:09 - Mar 13 by bluelagos
It's obscene is what it is. Young women, upset, angry, scared at recent events and the police think it is appropriate to ban a vigil, to refuse to engage with those wishing to make it safe, peaceful and respectful.
I called it the other day - in one swoop they have undone all the good will for their sensible policing during the CV pandemic (unlike some other forces) by behaving in this manner.
For what? 2 weeks before CV restrictions are relaxed, when the rates of CV are down at around 1 in 300, when they had a group happy to arrange stewarding etc. to make in CV secure.
Their job is to deescalate situations, not inflame them.
It's not 'just' the police though is it.
This is being encouraged from above, what with Patel's continuous pursuit of power we have entered an age where the government see its own people as an enemy to be contained and ruled.
Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 20:04 - Mar 13 by gtsb1966
If they were abiding by the current covid rules then there would be no need to drag them away. You cannot have one law for one and another for the rest irrespective of the cause.
Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 20:04 - Mar 13 by gtsb1966
If they were abiding by the current covid rules then there would be no need to drag them away. You cannot have one law for one and another for the rest irrespective of the cause.
Dispersal orders are there to be used when mass gatherings have the potential to/or are causing Harassment, alarm or distress to the wider public (in line with ASB) this has been in place for years and used up and down the country on weekends outside bars and clubs etc. after closing time.. so pretty common practice
There is the possibility that there are also those who are actually committing offences (however minor you might think they are) and likely arrested for public order offences or for a breach of the peace, which allows reasonable force to be used. There seems to be an underlying assumption (from many) that police officers are acting outside of legislation, I can’t see what any police officer could possibly gain
Given the national media scrutiny I cannot see how the met could win in this specific scenario tonight. The high court states no mass gathering should take place, yet people understandably want to show support so gather (in the masses). what should police do, bow down to the public or enforce the law as sensibly as they can? If they were to just stand back and not do anything then there would be a huge outcry. It’s a no win situation
*edited due to grammatical errors
[Post edited 13 Mar 2021 20:20]
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Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 20:17 - Mar 13 with 2312 views
Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 20:16 - Mar 13 by jeera
It's not 'just' the police though is it.
This is being encouraged from above, what with Patel's continuous pursuit of power we have entered an age where the government see its own people as an enemy to be contained and ruled.
Rather than worked for and represented.
Yes very true and always the way with this lot. Anyone fancy beating up some miners?
Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 20:16 - Mar 13 by jeera
It's not 'just' the police though is it.
This is being encouraged from above, what with Patel's continuous pursuit of power we have entered an age where the government see its own people as an enemy to be contained and ruled.
Rather than worked for and represented.
You've called it spot on Jeera.
She continuously plays to the gallery and puts pressure on the police. Hopefully this works as a wake up call to allow them to do their job. They did exactly that for the BLM protests and she was livid.
Seems her influence is not a positive one, would've have thought eh.
Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 20:16 - Mar 13 by jeera
It's not 'just' the police though is it.
This is being encouraged from above, what with Patel's continuous pursuit of power we have entered an age where the government see its own people as an enemy to be contained and ruled.
Rather than worked for and represented.
Because they know that good people outnumber their foul right wing base, but have not reached the point yet where they snap.
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Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 20:24 - Mar 13 with 2262 views
Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 20:16 - Mar 13 by King_of_Portman_Rd
Dispersal orders are there to be used when mass gatherings have the potential to/or are causing Harassment, alarm or distress to the wider public (in line with ASB) this has been in place for years and used up and down the country on weekends outside bars and clubs etc. after closing time.. so pretty common practice
There is the possibility that there are also those who are actually committing offences (however minor you might think they are) and likely arrested for public order offences or for a breach of the peace, which allows reasonable force to be used. There seems to be an underlying assumption (from many) that police officers are acting outside of legislation, I can’t see what any police officer could possibly gain
Given the national media scrutiny I cannot see how the met could win in this specific scenario tonight. The high court states no mass gathering should take place, yet people understandably want to show support so gather (in the masses). what should police do, bow down to the public or enforce the law as sensibly as they can? If they were to just stand back and not do anything then there would be a huge outcry. It’s a no win situation
*edited due to grammatical errors
[Post edited 13 Mar 2021 20:20]
Appreciate the Met have a difficult one, especially as one of their own officers has been charged with Sarah's murder.
But I also think you miss the fact that the police did have a choice. They were not told by the judge that any vigil would be illegal, far from it. They were left to engage and they chose not to facilitate a lawful vigil.
I accept they were under political pressure (would have thought eh ;-) but I don't accept their hands were tied. They made a call and it was pretty clearly the wrong one from where I am sat.
Others may well disagree, happy to see police dragging away young girls from a vigil.
Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 20:16 - Mar 13 by King_of_Portman_Rd
Dispersal orders are there to be used when mass gatherings have the potential to/or are causing Harassment, alarm or distress to the wider public (in line with ASB) this has been in place for years and used up and down the country on weekends outside bars and clubs etc. after closing time.. so pretty common practice
There is the possibility that there are also those who are actually committing offences (however minor you might think they are) and likely arrested for public order offences or for a breach of the peace, which allows reasonable force to be used. There seems to be an underlying assumption (from many) that police officers are acting outside of legislation, I can’t see what any police officer could possibly gain
Given the national media scrutiny I cannot see how the met could win in this specific scenario tonight. The high court states no mass gathering should take place, yet people understandably want to show support so gather (in the masses). what should police do, bow down to the public or enforce the law as sensibly as they can? If they were to just stand back and not do anything then there would be a huge outcry. It’s a no win situation
*edited due to grammatical errors
[Post edited 13 Mar 2021 20:20]
I have some sympathy with your position on this and, as you say, the Met (and the police in general), have their hands tied on these situations where the orders from above are direct and clear.
Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 20:01 - Mar 13 by Swansea_Blue
Horrible scenes coming from there. Irrespective of Covid considerations it’s not nice to see them literally dragging young women away who are sitting peacefully by their signs and candles. They’re behaving like the bloody Stasi.
We’ll see more of this too with the new policing bill. A dark day for the UK.
well all the corbyn smears worked. now we got something worse .
forensic experts say footers and spruces fingerprints were not found at the scene after the weekends rows
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Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 20:33 - Mar 13 with 2199 views
Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 20:17 - Mar 13 by GeoffSentence
They will fine the organisers
This is the point. The police refused to engage with the organisers. The organisers had 50 trained stewards and tried to work with the police to ensure a peaceful and importantly, a CV secure vigil.
The police refused to engage and so the organisers called the Vigil off. That left a completely unmarshalled event that descended into the chaos we saw tonight.
Inept policing cheered on by Priti and her cheerleaders. This is the woman who objected when the police wisely chose not to intervene when a mob was tearing down a statue. They wisely chose not to escalate a situation (rather to gather evidence) and Patel criticised them for it ffs.
The idea that policing should be confrontational - well guess what - that leads to confrontations.
Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 20:16 - Mar 13 by King_of_Portman_Rd
Dispersal orders are there to be used when mass gatherings have the potential to/or are causing Harassment, alarm or distress to the wider public (in line with ASB) this has been in place for years and used up and down the country on weekends outside bars and clubs etc. after closing time.. so pretty common practice
There is the possibility that there are also those who are actually committing offences (however minor you might think they are) and likely arrested for public order offences or for a breach of the peace, which allows reasonable force to be used. There seems to be an underlying assumption (from many) that police officers are acting outside of legislation, I can’t see what any police officer could possibly gain
Given the national media scrutiny I cannot see how the met could win in this specific scenario tonight. The high court states no mass gathering should take place, yet people understandably want to show support so gather (in the masses). what should police do, bow down to the public or enforce the law as sensibly as they can? If they were to just stand back and not do anything then there would be a huge outcry. It’s a no win situation
*edited due to grammatical errors
[Post edited 13 Mar 2021 20:20]
Do you really think that if they policed sympathetically with as light a touch as possible there’d be an outcry? I’d hope most people have the sense to realise there are conflicting priorities here and that once gathered these women were no threat to anyone. Covid is obviously an issue but once they are there, it’s a bit late to worry about that. Dragging people away from a peaceful vigil is not a good look. Especially when it was one of their own who murdered the girl.
Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 20:28 - Mar 13 by bluelagos
Appreciate the Met have a difficult one, especially as one of their own officers has been charged with Sarah's murder.
But I also think you miss the fact that the police did have a choice. They were not told by the judge that any vigil would be illegal, far from it. They were left to engage and they chose not to facilitate a lawful vigil.
I accept they were under political pressure (would have thought eh ;-) but I don't accept their hands were tied. They made a call and it was pretty clearly the wrong one from where I am sat.
Others may well disagree, happy to see police dragging away young girls from a vigil.
Are they not pressured to do as they are told though?
I did assume, perhaps wrongly?, that this was a political enforcement and not only a police matter.
I.e. as the nation is aware the Met have been told to draw a line, no matter how unsavoury.
I do think it will have the opposite effect to the one intended though.
As these things drag on, it really is beginning to feel more and more like suppression, if not worse.
Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 20:33 - Mar 13 by bluelagos
This is the point. The police refused to engage with the organisers. The organisers had 50 trained stewards and tried to work with the police to ensure a peaceful and importantly, a CV secure vigil.
The police refused to engage and so the organisers called the Vigil off. That left a completely unmarshalled event that descended into the chaos we saw tonight.
Inept policing cheered on by Priti and her cheerleaders. This is the woman who objected when the police wisely chose not to intervene when a mob was tearing down a statue. They wisely chose not to escalate a situation (rather to gather evidence) and Patel criticised them for it ffs.
The idea that policing should be confrontational - well guess what - that leads to confrontations.
It would have needed 1,500 stewards.
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Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 20:38 - Mar 13 with 2143 views
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