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Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 09:24 - Mar 14 by ArnoldMoorhen
We are not "blindly painting the police as the enemy". We are talking specifically about this heavy-handed response from Police Officers, ordered by senior officers, after the institution of the Met refused to engage with those who wished to hold a Covid-safe demo, and instead sought to legally gag this protest in the courts, but failed.
And, in case we need to underline this point, we are talking about women claiming the right not to be subject to random acts of violence, who were then made subject to random acts of violence from police officers.
Edit: Heavily Edited because I was a dick.
[Post edited 14 Mar 2021 13:30]
what a very unpleasant post
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 11:00 - Mar 14 with 1327 views
Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 23:54 - Mar 13 by pointofblue
On what grounds are they abstaining?!
Totally inept and outrageous policing of what is basically a wake! My other thought was immediately that’s how the police forces up and down the country have treated innocent football fans for decades!
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Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 11:12 - Mar 14 with 1297 views
Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 09:24 - Mar 14 by ArnoldMoorhen
We are not "blindly painting the police as the enemy". We are talking specifically about this heavy-handed response from Police Officers, ordered by senior officers, after the institution of the Met refused to engage with those who wished to hold a Covid-safe demo, and instead sought to legally gag this protest in the courts, but failed.
And, in case we need to underline this point, we are talking about women claiming the right not to be subject to random acts of violence, who were then made subject to random acts of violence from police officers.
Edit: Heavily Edited because I was a dick.
[Post edited 14 Mar 2021 13:30]
I think you are completely reaching and being utterly disrespectful to a serving police officer, someone who - just like nurses, doctors, paramedics, firefighters - will be doing their best to serve the public.
Last night was an example of bad policing, no doubt due to guidance from above, but the ire should be directed at those who gave the orders. As I said elsewhere Cressida Dick should go.
I have followed these and other related discussions as they have unfolded. It has been a valuable learning experience.
I think the criticism of the police around the particular event at the bandstand has been excessive and unfair. It has also provided some individuals the opportunity to air pet grievances and prejudices.
The reality is that we all own this problem of violence against women. It is societal. The policing of the issue is a product of how we have failed and failed again, to respond to domestic violence and or general violence in all its forms. How many of us have lobbied our MPs to argue for better funded social education in schools, for dedicated and properly funded domestic abuse units in the police force and for a better funded and staffed family court system. Very few of us I imagine, though we are happy enough to criticise the overstretched police forces for not adequately prosecuting rapists and the like once an offence has been committed.
If this problem is to be solved it needs a response that starts with you and me through to every last one of us.
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Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 11:41 - Mar 14 with 1248 views
Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 09:24 - Mar 14 by ArnoldMoorhen
We are not "blindly painting the police as the enemy". We are talking specifically about this heavy-handed response from Police Officers, ordered by senior officers, after the institution of the Met refused to engage with those who wished to hold a Covid-safe demo, and instead sought to legally gag this protest in the courts, but failed.
And, in case we need to underline this point, we are talking about women claiming the right not to be subject to random acts of violence, who were then made subject to random acts of violence from police officers.
Edit: Heavily Edited because I was a dick.
[Post edited 14 Mar 2021 13:30]
I think you are being extremely unfair on KOPR in that post. He isn’t defending anything. In fact he has said that the behaviour of the police was poor and avoidable. To a layman such as myself, I found the pictures and footage disturbing and upsetting. That could be our wives and daughters being restrained in that fashion.
But he is asking is some clarification as to what sparked the scenes we saw. Was it a bad judgment call by the commander on the ground. We’re they acting under instructions from Cressida Dick? Was there political interference from the Home Secretary?
The last third of your post is one of the most bizarre personal attacks I’ve seen in here. And I’ve seen a few in my time. Completely uncalled for IMO.
Over the last year people have posted links to people gathering in parks, chucking out time at the pubs and people on beaches etc and to a man/woman these people have been called idiots, tossers, are****s , selfish etc etc on here yet this is acceptable. So many hypocrites on here it's unbelievable.
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Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 11:49 - Mar 14 with 1229 views
Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 11:43 - Mar 14 by gtsb1966
Over the last year people have posted links to people gathering in parks, chucking out time at the pubs and people on beaches etc and to a man/woman these people have been called idiots, tossers, are****s , selfish etc etc on here yet this is acceptable. So many hypocrites on here it's unbelievable.
Yeah, because getting pissed up and going to the beach are exactly like protesting about women's rights.
[Post edited 14 Mar 2021 11:50]
Dear old footers KC - Private Counsel to Big Farmer - Liberator of Vichy TWTD
Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 12:13 - Mar 14 by footers
Yes, because when there are no lockdowns the virus stops.
So going down Oxford Street for Christmas shopping is totally fine because 'boris' says you can.
The majority of people on this thread, and the board in general, are fully supportive of the sentiments behind yesterday’s vigil but believe that it shouldn’t take place during a period of national lockdown.
The photograph you linked was taken when the country was not in lockdown. Had the vigil taken place at the same time there would be no issue. So your photo is irrelevant to the subject.
I haven’t traded for 8 of the last 12 months. We have all lost family and friends to COVID. We are just a couple of months wary from the entire adult population being vaccinated. Normality is so close. We shouldn’t be doing anything to melodise that, and that includes holding public gatherings, no matter how much we agree with the motives behind it.
And I don't care of it's Boris Johnson, Kier Starmer or Jeremy fcuking Corbyn who was to make that decision. I would abide by the rules set out.
Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 12:18 - Mar 14 by GlasgowBlue
The majority of people on this thread, and the board in general, are fully supportive of the sentiments behind yesterday’s vigil but believe that it shouldn’t take place during a period of national lockdown.
The photograph you linked was taken when the country was not in lockdown. Had the vigil taken place at the same time there would be no issue. So your photo is irrelevant to the subject.
I haven’t traded for 8 of the last 12 months. We have all lost family and friends to COVID. We are just a couple of months wary from the entire adult population being vaccinated. Normality is so close. We shouldn’t be doing anything to melodise that, and that includes holding public gatherings, no matter how much we agree with the motives behind it.
And I don't care of it's Boris Johnson, Kier Starmer or Jeremy fcuking Corbyn who was to make that decision. I would abide by the rules set out.
[Post edited 14 Mar 2021 12:21]
I believe protests about important social issues warrant breaches of a lockdown, especially now that so many have been vaccinated.
I don't believe people Christmas shopping en masse during an arbritrary easing of lockdown is a good idea.
That's all there is to it.
Dear old footers KC - Private Counsel to Big Farmer - Liberator of Vichy TWTD
Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 12:24 - Mar 14 by footers
I believe protests about important social issues warrant breaches of a lockdown, especially now that so many have been vaccinated.
I don't believe people Christmas shopping en masse during an arbritrary easing of lockdown is a good idea.
That's all there is to it.
The majority of those who attended the vigil yesterday appeared to be of an age that has not yet been vaccinated. And I disagree with you that anything warrants a breach of the lockdown.
edit. The point is being lost with regards to your linked photo. You linked a picture that was taken when we were not in lockdown. This has no relevance to yesterday.
Had Regent Street been ramped yesterday then it would have been a fair point to make.
Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 12:34 - Mar 14 by GlasgowBlue
The majority of those who attended the vigil yesterday appeared to be of an age that has not yet been vaccinated. And I disagree with you that anything warrants a breach of the lockdown.
edit. The point is being lost with regards to your linked photo. You linked a picture that was taken when we were not in lockdown. This has no relevance to yesterday.
Had Regent Street been ramped yesterday then it would have been a fair point to make.
[Post edited 14 Mar 2021 12:37]
Fair enough. We don't agree.
That was our scheduled argument that got delayed. Short-lived but hey ho.
Dear old footers KC - Private Counsel to Big Farmer - Liberator of Vichy TWTD
Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 12:24 - Mar 14 by footers
I believe protests about important social issues warrant breaches of a lockdown, especially now that so many have been vaccinated.
I don't believe people Christmas shopping en masse during an arbritrary easing of lockdown is a good idea.
That's all there is to it.
So you support the breaching of a lockdown which has been put in place to save lives to support a vigil which was being held in memory of a young lady who tragically lost her life and is focussing on making sure more women don't lose their lives. That doesn't make sense. The cause is to be applauded and encouraged but there is a time and a place to promote this cause and unfortunately now is not that time because ultimately it puts more lives at risk.
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Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 12:41 - Mar 14 with 1070 views
Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 12:38 - Mar 14 by GlasgowBlue
I did edit my post in order to give you better value for money with the argument
I've made my point about lockdowns being arbritrary and how I weigh up the importance of Christmas shopping vs protesting about a woman's murder, despite what 'boris' and crew say on any given day of the week.
You don't agree. Fair enough.
Dear old footers KC - Private Counsel to Big Farmer - Liberator of Vichy TWTD
Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 12:40 - Mar 14 by gtsb1966
So you support the breaching of a lockdown which has been put in place to save lives to support a vigil which was being held in memory of a young lady who tragically lost her life and is focussing on making sure more women don't lose their lives. That doesn't make sense. The cause is to be applauded and encouraged but there is a time and a place to promote this cause and unfortunately now is not that time because ultimately it puts more lives at risk.
I've taken this pandemic as seriously as anyone with regards to lockdowns and restrictions, you can clearly see my post history on being restrained. However, for important social issues like this and BLM I do see an important difference being these breaches of lockdown and people swanning off to other countries etc just because they can officially.
I've done sweet FA for 12 months and still wouldn't even if I was told I could by the government because of the dangers to others. But these are important social events which I do think warrant breaching lockdown to protest. They're one-offs, not state-sanctioned piss-ups as we've seen from boris and co.
Dear old footers KC - Private Counsel to Big Farmer - Liberator of Vichy TWTD
Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 20:04 - Mar 13 by gtsb1966
If they were abiding by the current covid rules then there would be no need to drag them away. You cannot have one law for one and another for the rest irrespective of the cause.
It’s disgusting.
Cressida Dick should have rendered her resignation by now. As should Patel.
Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 10:46 - Mar 14 by King_of_Portman_Rd
I think you are hearing what you want to. I never condoned anything that happened, just adding to a discussion in a polite and considered manner. And as has been pointed there were plenty of people in a small area and not all were respectfully and peacefully attending the vigil. Some of that reaction will obviously be in direct consequence of police action, but some will have been simply due to police being stood in front of them..
I accept that people hate police, I am aware of why that is, I can only control what I do, not the actions of others so I’m a little disappointed you are throwing this toward me when I have not done anything to warrant it.
Also your ridiculous comment about names.. mine was created years ago due to singing songs about (90s)David Johnson at PR. I’m not going to be churlish enough to question if you considered other fowl birds when choosing your name. Also for the record I do not work for Suffolk Police
I need to apologise to you personally and unreservedly. I have leapt to conclusions, and I was wrong. Sorry.
I thought you were a police officer called King whose beat contains PR, or who works at matches, and had named yourself accordingly, like "Dixon of Dock Green". I had no evidence for that and leapt to a conclusion. I apologise for that.
I watched the scenes live last night. I'm very angry about it. That was not policing by consent, and nor was the way that senior Met figures attempted to use the Courts to order cessation rather than engage constructively with organisers. Instead a peaceful protest was met with violence.
I'm also deeply concerned that the Policing Act that will be passed tomorrow will allow this kind of response as the norm from Senior Police Officers bowing to political pressure from Home Secretaries. We are all losing yet more of our rights tomorrow.
But, putting that aside, I have no reason to believe that you are anything other than a genuine public servant, and I apologise for the attack on you personally.
I hope that others who rightly have called me out on this in this thread will take this as a wider apology to all.
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Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 13:27 - Mar 14 with 998 views
Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 12:40 - Mar 14 by gtsb1966
So you support the breaching of a lockdown which has been put in place to save lives to support a vigil which was being held in memory of a young lady who tragically lost her life and is focussing on making sure more women don't lose their lives. That doesn't make sense. The cause is to be applauded and encouraged but there is a time and a place to promote this cause and unfortunately now is not that time because ultimately it puts more lives at risk.
How do you feel about these images and the difference in policing, given there will be close protection there etc?
Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 13:25 - Mar 14 by ArnoldMoorhen
I need to apologise to you personally and unreservedly. I have leapt to conclusions, and I was wrong. Sorry.
I thought you were a police officer called King whose beat contains PR, or who works at matches, and had named yourself accordingly, like "Dixon of Dock Green". I had no evidence for that and leapt to a conclusion. I apologise for that.
I watched the scenes live last night. I'm very angry about it. That was not policing by consent, and nor was the way that senior Met figures attempted to use the Courts to order cessation rather than engage constructively with organisers. Instead a peaceful protest was met with violence.
I'm also deeply concerned that the Policing Act that will be passed tomorrow will allow this kind of response as the norm from Senior Police Officers bowing to political pressure from Home Secretaries. We are all losing yet more of our rights tomorrow.
But, putting that aside, I have no reason to believe that you are anything other than a genuine public servant, and I apologise for the attack on you personally.
I hope that others who rightly have called me out on this in this thread will take this as a wider apology to all.
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