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Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 20:59 - Mar 13 by bluelagos
Appreciate what you're saying - that the ordinary guy at the coalface is essentially following orders.
Having said all that I'll wager the majority of people support their action. When I first raised the fact they were trying to stop the vigil I hardly got any support at all - the majority of TWTDrs were fully aligned with the police position. And I reckon most will still support them, irrespective.
Such is the fear of CV that police action like this will be well supported. That it would be far more sensible to take a "light hand" as they did in Glasgow last weekend, won't register with most people.
I think there are a majority of people who disagree with a protest in the middle of a pandemic who are also appalled at the behaviour of the police.
Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 22:09 - Mar 13 by ElderGrizzly
She won’t of course
Would be ironic, especially given her role in the death of JC DeMenzes.
I'd like to think it was Priti whose job is in question, a talentless bully who doesn't seem to have the first clue how to do her job. But BJ is out of his depth so expect him to blubber some sh1t tomorrow and that is that.
Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 21:30 - Mar 13 by King_of_Portman_Rd
Just for the purpose of balance which is incredibly rare when policing is ever portrayed in the media.. or social media for that matter.
That image whilst incredibly sad, does not tell you the full picture. We have no idea what happened in the build up to that snapshot and how/why it came to that outcome. For all we know there could have been serious offences committed (based on my experience you only handcuff to the back in serious offences)
Just like every stop search that is recorded on a persons phone. 10 seconds of police putting someone in handcuffs doesn’t mean “police brutality” which the person behind the camera phone inevitably shouts.. the minutes leading up to that justify why officers are doing what they are doing
Just for the purpose of balance...
The women on Clapham Common tonight don't have the power to suddenly decide "Right, that's it, I've had enough of this!" and invade the space of the Police Officers, breaching a 2 metre safe distance. It's only one side that can do that.
And then bind them and climb on top of them in a violating act of physical aggression which chillingly mirrors the actions of their colleague to Sarah Everard.
We'll remember that you said "based on my experience you only handcuff to the back in serious offences" and then see what these women are charged with, shall we?
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Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 22:34 - Mar 13 with 1475 views
Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 22:28 - Mar 13 by ElderGrizzly
The Police went to the high court to block it.
There is always discretion in policing and this approach tonight appears to have forgotten that.
My point, which I've been making for 2 days now, is that the police should never have been put in that position. That the senior guys should have engaged with the RTS guys to ensure as CV secure and safe vigil as possible.
People were always going to turn up, so surely you make sure you work with people who wanted to marshall/organise it.
Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 22:34 - Mar 13 by bluelagos
My point, which I've been making for 2 days now, is that the police should never have been put in that position. That the senior guys should have engaged with the RTS guys to ensure as CV secure and safe vigil as possible.
People were always going to turn up, so surely you make sure you work with people who wanted to marshall/organise it.
Apologies, haven’t been on here much.
I agree with you, but even then tonight could have used discretion. Some have decided not to for whatever reason.
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Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 22:36 - Mar 13 with 1460 views
Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 22:34 - Mar 13 by ArnoldMoorhen
Just for the purpose of balance...
The women on Clapham Common tonight don't have the power to suddenly decide "Right, that's it, I've had enough of this!" and invade the space of the Police Officers, breaching a 2 metre safe distance. It's only one side that can do that.
And then bind them and climb on top of them in a violating act of physical aggression which chillingly mirrors the actions of their colleague to Sarah Everard.
We'll remember that you said "based on my experience you only handcuff to the back in serious offences" and then see what these women are charged with, shall we?
To be fair they didn't put them in builder's bags!
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 22:34 - Mar 13 by bluelagos
My point, which I've been making for 2 days now, is that the police should never have been put in that position. That the senior guys should have engaged with the RTS guys to ensure as CV secure and safe vigil as possible.
People were always going to turn up, so surely you make sure you work with people who wanted to marshall/organise it.
Compare the way police officers think they can treat women to the way the Rangers fans were treated. It seems the big difference is that in this case the women were claiming the right to not be subject to violence, and so were put in their place.
"We decide how much violence you are subject to, not you!" say the Met.
I'm fcking livid about this.
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Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 22:38 - Mar 13 with 1453 views
Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 20:01 - Mar 13 by Swansea_Blue
Horrible scenes coming from there. Irrespective of Covid considerations it’s not nice to see them literally dragging young women away who are sitting peacefully by their signs and candles. They’re behaving like the bloody Stasi.
We’ll see more of this too with the new policing bill. A dark day for the UK.
And it seems Sir Keith is whipping for Labour to abstain.... You couldn't make it up!
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Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 22:41 - Mar 13 with 1443 views
Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 22:37 - Mar 13 by ArnoldMoorhen
Compare the way police officers think they can treat women to the way the Rangers fans were treated. It seems the big difference is that in this case the women were claiming the right to not be subject to violence, and so were put in their place.
"We decide how much violence you are subject to, not you!" say the Met.
I'm fcking livid about this.
I might be being cynical about this, but it's almost as if one of their own is involved in what has happened.
Just out of interest are there any serving Police Officers on this forum? If so what's your views on the new Government bill, regarding protests?
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Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 22:50 - Mar 13 with 1420 views
Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 22:28 - Mar 13 by BanksterDebtSlave
Gang loyalty...her crime was standing in a bandstand!
May I ask, Were you there and witnessed what happened? I wasn’t.
I’m only providing a rare viewpoint that is not anti police or blindly painting police as the enemy, which seems to have been a national media hobby for decades. Some of which is completely just, but not all.
I understand (or atleast it appears) that you (like many) have an entrenched distrust or dislike for the police.
What has happened tonight has been incredibly poor and avoidable, but we don’t know the complete story of what those in handcuffs have done and I shall wait until we do, before I boo, hiss and vilify anyone wearing a police uniform
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Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 23:03 - Mar 13 with 1392 views
Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 22:58 - Mar 13 by King_of_Portman_Rd
May I ask, Were you there and witnessed what happened? I wasn’t.
I’m only providing a rare viewpoint that is not anti police or blindly painting police as the enemy, which seems to have been a national media hobby for decades. Some of which is completely just, but not all.
I understand (or atleast it appears) that you (like many) have an entrenched distrust or dislike for the police.
What has happened tonight has been incredibly poor and avoidable, but we don’t know the complete story of what those in handcuffs have done and I shall wait until we do, before I boo, hiss and vilify anyone wearing a police uniform
Like you say though, what has happened tonight being incredibly poor and avoidable, plays into that stereotype of the Police being the enemy. They don't help themselves sometimes do they?
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Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 23:04 - Mar 13 with 1391 views
Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 22:34 - Mar 13 by bluelagos
My point, which I've been making for 2 days now, is that the police should never have been put in that position. That the senior guys should have engaged with the RTS guys to ensure as CV secure and safe vigil as possible.
People were always going to turn up, so surely you make sure you work with people who wanted to marshall/organise it.
They’ve got an interview with the red-headed lady who was arrested in those photos on the other page
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Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 23:23 - Mar 13 with 1374 views
" .. the minutes leading up to that justify why officers are doing what they are doing"
Having now seen a video of the arrest and an interview with the person arrested (post her release from custody) we only now need the arresting officer's version of events to have a complete picture.
What on earth the officer in question can say to justify not only the arrest but the manner of the arrest lord alone knows.
Still, at least (as far as we could see) he didn't get his kn*b out.
Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 22:22 - Mar 13 by GlasgowBlue
I think there are a majority of people who disagree with a protest in the middle of a pandemic who are also appalled at the behaviour of the police.
The two aren’t mutually exclusive.
Agreed - although I understand the desire to hold a protest, now is not really the time as our Covid response is still not in an overly brilliant position. But at the same time the police's response looks disproportionate to say the least.
They protest should not have gone ahead and the police should have handled it better than they did.
Let's see the Met fine them then.... on 22:27 - Mar 13 by bluelagos
That's fair,
Do you not now think the poiice should have engaged with the vigil organisers to facilitate a safe, peaceful event?
Or do you think tonights outcome is better?
No. The big concern for me wouldn't be the vigil itself, if it was well stewarded, but how people would get there and return home - using public transport or filling the streets? Photographs prior to the police going in gung ho show people were crammed together as it is.
In a Covid-free world for course the liaision should (and hopefully would) have taken place, with the vigil going ahead, but we're not there yet and allowing one vigil could just open the floodgates for others.
But as I said in my previous post, it doesn't mean the police's response was proportinate - far from it.
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