| Lammy handles this pretty well 16:45 - Mar 29 with 7304 views | StokieBlue |
I realise the caller is older but the state of the mindset is quite something. I find it especially interesting that she's English because she traced her roots back to the Anglo Saxons....
It's actually quite a hard listen in places.
Hard to make progress when attitudes like this remain.
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| Lammy handles this pretty well on 19:38 - Mar 29 with 1641 views | Mullet |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 19:34 - Mar 29 by BlueBadger |
Who was the extremely right-wing poster on here who named himself after a Saxon king or something? |
Guthrum?
I guess Facters probably was a Saxon King. |  |
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| Lammy handles this pretty well on 19:39 - Mar 29 with 1641 views | bluelagos |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 19:35 - Mar 29 by jeera |
Next thing you'll be telling us is people can't really just have any star named formally after them nor buy a Lordship up in Scotland.
Although being English it should be a birthright anyway admittedly. |
Just pick a star Jeera mate and call it the Jeera star :-) |  |
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| Lammy handles this pretty well on 19:39 - Mar 29 with 1644 views | jeera |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 19:34 - Mar 29 by bluelagos |
That she said he could be British and not English and that he was Afro-Caribbean, I am guessing she was equating English to being white.
I wonder if it was thus her confusing someone's ethnicity with their nationality? Lammy batted that nonsence off beautifully with the fact their are white people who are considered caribbean.
He was incredibly calm and polite, no doubt an issue he's used to but not sure I'd have managed it. |
"I wonder if it was thus her confusing someone's ethnicity with their nationality?"
Well quite, that's exactly what she was doing.
But she's had her whole life to educate herself and has failed miserably.
My old mum has surprised me no end over the years. There was a time she would have shared similar views to that stupid woman there, as many did.
But has listened to us and been willing to take it on board.
I'm proud of her now when she says things of her own accord when these matters crop up. At 83 she is quite the progressive now! |  |
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| Lammy handles this pretty well on 19:43 - Mar 29 with 1633 views | bluelagos |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 19:39 - Mar 29 by jeera |
"I wonder if it was thus her confusing someone's ethnicity with their nationality?"
Well quite, that's exactly what she was doing.
But she's had her whole life to educate herself and has failed miserably.
My old mum has surprised me no end over the years. There was a time she would have shared similar views to that stupid woman there, as many did.
But has listened to us and been willing to take it on board.
I'm proud of her now when she says things of her own accord when these matters crop up. At 83 she is quite the progressive now! |
Atttudes change over time. My parents were always progressive when it came to race, but their views to homosexuality were far from progressive.
Now, my dad is slowly getting there, but he was brought up to believe homosexuality is a sin. Takes a long time to challenge opinions that went unchallenged for decades... | |
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| Lammy handles this pretty well on 19:45 - Mar 29 with 1624 views | leitrimblue |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 19:34 - Mar 29 by BlueBadger |
Who was the extremely right-wing poster on here who named himself after a Saxon king or something? |
Raedwald. I had a very long and painful discussion with him a few years back about Saxons, Angles and 5 -6th century immigration into the UK. |  | | |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 19:50 - Mar 29 with 1605 views | jeera |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 19:43 - Mar 29 by bluelagos |
Atttudes change over time. My parents were always progressive when it came to race, but their views to homosexuality were far from progressive.
Now, my dad is slowly getting there, but he was brought up to believe homosexuality is a sin. Takes a long time to challenge opinions that went unchallenged for decades... |
Yeah I was sort of referring to sexuality too really.
She was brought up a strict Catholic, educated by nuns, literally.
Nowadays she says things like "Love is love, no matter who it is".
There was a pretty girl I had an thing for when I was a kid, but I wasn't allowed to invite her around for tea because she was black.
If I brought that up now she would be devastated that she'd ever said such a thing.
Mind you, the girl's family didn't want her having a white boyfriend either. So there we were, two teenagers both equally embarrassed trying to make excuses to not invite the other one to our homes. | |
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| Lammy handles this pretty well on 19:53 - Mar 29 with 1607 views | Guthrum |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 19:31 - Mar 29 by Mullet |
I've just finished Adam Rutherford's excellent book and essentially, our ignorance and inability to understand our heritage is pretty tragic. Basically, it's impossible to be pretty accurate and most of those DNA tests are a con innit.
Much better off to claim Viking heritage if you're white and European as that'll be true and completely useless all at the same time. |
I know a couple of people who, to look at, you'd characterise as clearly "white". However, both have black ancestors between three and five generations back.
Genetics is an interesting science, but the popular interpretation is such a mess at times. |  |
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| Lammy handles this pretty well on 19:53 - Mar 29 with 1599 views | bluelagos |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 19:45 - Mar 29 by leitrimblue |
Raedwald. I had a very long and painful discussion with him a few years back about Saxons, Angles and 5 -6th century immigration into the UK. |
Don't tell me, we fought them off before they diluted our English gene pool? | |
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| Lammy handles this pretty well on 19:57 - Mar 29 with 1591 views | BlueBadger |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 19:45 - Mar 29 by leitrimblue |
Raedwald. I had a very long and painful discussion with him a few years back about Saxons, Angles and 5 -6th century immigration into the UK. |
That's the fella!
He was ranting about Muslims one afternoon and took the arse because I pointed out he was named after someone who played a major role in a violent and repressive middle eastern religion taking hold in the country... |  |
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| Lammy handles this pretty well on 20:00 - Mar 29 with 1569 views | leitrimblue |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 19:53 - Mar 29 by bluelagos |
Don't tell me, we fought them off before they diluted our English gene pool? |
Don't think we put you much resistance, they just wandered in an settled/took what they wanted | | | |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 20:01 - Mar 29 with 1567 views | bluelagos |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 19:50 - Mar 29 by jeera |
Yeah I was sort of referring to sexuality too really.
She was brought up a strict Catholic, educated by nuns, literally.
Nowadays she says things like "Love is love, no matter who it is".
There was a pretty girl I had an thing for when I was a kid, but I wasn't allowed to invite her around for tea because she was black.
If I brought that up now she would be devastated that she'd ever said such a thing.
Mind you, the girl's family didn't want her having a white boyfriend either. So there we were, two teenagers both equally embarrassed trying to make excuses to not invite the other one to our homes. |
Funnily enough my parents were catholics too :-)
My Dad told me the story today of my French grandmother, living in London, with 3 children, getting a call up for the French army at the start of Ww2. She informed them she had 3 kids and they said that was fine and to report anyway.
So she turned up with 3 kids (including my Dad) to the recruitment office (in London) before they accepted she wasn't simply out to avoid the call up. Not sure what role they had in mind but her orders were revoked.
Not sure how much of that was accurate, but that was how it was told to me earlier. And from my memories of my gran, that's the sort of thing she would have done :-) | |
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| Lammy handles this pretty well on 20:02 - Mar 29 with 1558 views | leitrimblue |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 19:57 - Mar 29 by BlueBadger |
That's the fella!
He was ranting about Muslims one afternoon and took the arse because I pointed out he was named after someone who played a major role in a violent and repressive middle eastern religion taking hold in the country... |
He didnt seem to keen on immigration and I pointed out that he seemed to be named after the son of Northern European immigrants | | | |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 20:07 - Mar 29 with 1528 views | Mullet |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 20:02 - Mar 29 by leitrimblue |
He didnt seem to keen on immigration and I pointed out that he seemed to be named after the son of Northern European immigrants |
He wasn't the daft racist who lived in Spain too was he? I lose track of all these internet cosplaying types. | |
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| Lammy handles this pretty well on 20:10 - Mar 29 with 1515 views | leitrimblue |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 20:07 - Mar 29 by Mullet |
He wasn't the daft racist who lived in Spain too was he? I lose track of all these internet cosplaying types. |
He was indeed. I think he was possibly arguing with yerself about immigration ( while living in Spain) when we started discussing Saxons and his namesake. Was a few years back now | | | |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 20:11 - Mar 29 with 1508 views | jeera |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 20:07 - Mar 29 by Mullet |
He wasn't the daft racist who lived in Spain too was he? I lose track of all these internet cosplaying types. |
Not sure where he lived but think he was abroad.
He got a bit obsessive over Darth and began following him around a bit too much.
Darth would spend hours arguing with him, I don't know he gets the energy.
For all his other faults, he had good taste in music bizarrely. | |
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| Lammy handles this pretty well on 20:13 - Mar 29 with 1504 views | BlueBadger |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 20:10 - Mar 29 by leitrimblue |
He was indeed. I think he was possibly arguing with yerself about immigration ( while living in Spain) when we started discussing Saxons and his namesake. Was a few years back now |
He appears to be long gone from here, if Google is a guide. Wonder what caused Phil to snap on him? | |
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| Lammy handles this pretty well on 20:14 - Mar 29 with 1495 views | jeera |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 19:39 - Mar 29 by bluelagos |
Just pick a star Jeera mate and call it the Jeera star :-) |
Is there a certificate I can print off the internet to confirm it's all official? | |
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| Lammy handles this pretty well on 20:14 - Mar 29 with 1498 views | Mullet |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 20:10 - Mar 29 by leitrimblue |
He was indeed. I think he was possibly arguing with yerself about immigration ( while living in Spain) when we started discussing Saxons and his namesake. Was a few years back now |
I doubt it, an argument implies both sides have a point innit. He was thick as cheese and clearly a wrongun. | |
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| Lammy handles this pretty well on 20:16 - Mar 29 with 1498 views | eastangliaisblue |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 16:56 - Mar 29 by Coastalblue |
It's actually mind boggling isn't it? You wonder how these peope have the intelligence to dress themselves in the morning, maybe they don't?
I know a guy, black, who can trace his ancestory back to the 1600's in Liverpool I think it was, and his ancestory was black too mostly, but of course some Jonny come lately whose family has only been here a couple of hundred years yet who happens to be white is bound to be more English than him, I mean it stands to reason doesn't it? |
Also worth pointing out, that a female of African descent, was found buried on the Anglo Saxon burial grounds, on Cliff Quay.
Goes to show the ethnic mix this country has always had. |  | | |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 20:19 - Mar 29 with 1485 views | leitrimblue |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 20:14 - Mar 29 by Mullet |
I doubt it, an argument implies both sides have a point innit. He was thick as cheese and clearly a wrongun. |
Sorry, argument was wrong word. He was just being himself I guess | | | |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 20:26 - Mar 29 with 1477 views | leitrimblue |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 19:53 - Mar 29 by Guthrum |
I know a couple of people who, to look at, you'd characterise as clearly "white". However, both have black ancestors between three and five generations back.
Genetics is an interesting science, but the popular interpretation is such a mess at times. |
I have a friend who is one of the UK,s top prehistory professors who just before he retired got very interested in ancient DNA. Every now an then he tries to explain snippets to me. It's an incredibly complicated subject | | | |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 20:52 - Mar 29 with 1421 views | eastangliaisblue |
Fascinating isn't it? Shame more people didn't do some real research into the history of this country.
Slightly off topic but a fun fact nevertheless. There is Viking graffiti in the Hagia Sophia mosque in Istanbul. | | | |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 20:56 - Mar 29 with 1409 views | BlueBadger |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 20:52 - Mar 29 by eastangliaisblue |
Fascinating isn't it? Shame more people didn't do some real research into the history of this country.
Slightly off topic but a fun fact nevertheless. There is Viking graffiti in the Hagia Sophia mosque in Istanbul. |
I LOVE 'hidden' history, adds so much colour to an already fascinating topic. | |
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