| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes 16:28 - May 8 with 3341 views | Mullet |
Salford also retains a strong labour majority. In my part of Trafford the greens and Lib Dem’s took a spot on each whilst the tories only got in where the millionaires live.
After all the talk around Hartlepool and the lies Boris peddles unchallenged in places like that, I do wonder if the areas of political influence need redrawing. The divide appears far more urban vs. rural than simply class based.
Suffolk fairly returned Tory majorities I saw but the amount of seats won vs proportion of the votes where way off. That really needs addressing regardless of who leads which party doesn’t it? |  |
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| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 19:47 - May 8 with 1100 views | Darth_Koont |
| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 19:41 - May 8 by GlasgowBlue |
But if you are representative of left wing thinking across the country then it does matter.
Expecting normal rules to apply to Boris Johnson is naïve. And complaining that it isn't fair that the same rules don't apply to Politian x,y or z is counterproductive.
I've no skin in the game. Just making an observation. |
Herbs isn’t representative in the same way I’m not representative. The left is bigger and much more fluid, confusing and strange than that.
Same as the right. You’ve got everyone from Blair to Hitler over there. |  |
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| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 19:57 - May 8 with 1075 views | tractordownsouth |
Generally it's true but hope is not completely lost - Burnham also won in Bury North, Bury South, Bolton NW and Heywood and Middleton - the 4 seats the Tories gained in 2019. |  |
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| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 20:01 - May 8 with 1057 views | tractordownsouth |
| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 17:54 - May 8 by GlasgowBlue |
The difference being that the Tories elected an incompetent racist who had a proven track record in reaching parts other Tories couldn’t. Whereas Labour elected iPad incompetent racist who could only reach out to people who already agreed with him.
As I said yesterday. Stop worrying about the comparisons with Johnson. Concentrate on how to get a Labour to win.
Burn ham would have won in 2017 if not in 2019. He won’t win in 2024 but he’ll cut the majority and have a far better to four years later. |
With Burnham there would have been no election in 2017. Likely would've been no Brexit as well - nobody made the Labour case for remain to the North, which he could've done. | |
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| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 20:09 - May 8 with 1031 views | Darth_Koont |
| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 20:01 - May 8 by tractordownsouth |
With Burnham there would have been no election in 2017. Likely would've been no Brexit as well - nobody made the Labour case for remain to the North, which he could've done. |
If you think that then you need to change the culture of your party:
I’d suggest accelerating the Forde Report is the real goal of anyone on the left. Because the wolves in sheep’s clothing are taking us all for a ride. | |
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| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 20:20 - May 8 with 990 views | Darth_Koont |
| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 20:12 - May 8 by tractordownsouth |
The treatment of Burnham there was poor - he seems to be slap bang in the centre of the Labour Party ideologically so not sure why he got that treatment anyway. Not that it would be justified for any faction, but it's not as if his views differ from the majoirty of voters/members.
However, Clive Lewis isn't and never will be the answer. He's smug and sneering and has promoted The Canary and other media outlets on a few occasions, so the anti-semtism stuff (regardless of your view on it) would likely reappear. He has some decent ideas on electoral reform but his gaffes are all too regular - if he were leader they'd be far more exposed. |
I think you need to take a step back and smell the roses. Lewis is essentially right.
Or you can keep trudging down the road where being part of the Labour gang (and putting up with the Labour gang leaders) pays dividends.
But it’s not going to happen: these people are taking and abusing party loyalty for their own personal ends. It’s Change UK on an authoritarian scale. | |
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| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 20:22 - May 8 with 976 views | tractordownsouth |
| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 20:09 - May 8 by Darth_Koont |
If you think that then you need to change the culture of your party:
I’d suggest accelerating the Forde Report is the real goal of anyone on the left. Because the wolves in sheep’s clothing are taking us all for a ride. |
To which point?
No snap election in 2017 with Burnham/without Corbyn is correct. May only called it due to her 20 point poll lead, for which Corbyn was largely responsible.
During the referendum lots of Labour North MPs said there was apathy towards remain at best. They said plenty of Labour voters didn't know what the party's position on it was and saw leave as an opporunity to vote against Cameron and The Tories. Obviously it's not entirely that simple but considering towns in the North was where the referendum was lost (and an area where Corbyn never campaigned in the referendum and then lost in the 2019 GE) then having a Labour case for remain led by a good leader could've made a lot of difference.
Case in point: In Gordon Brown's book he said Cameron rang him to suggest an event where all living PMs would promote Remain. Brown instead suggested a better idea would be to get all living Labour leaders to do it instead to get the vote out in the North and Midlands. Everyone else was up for it except Corbyn, because he didn't want to share a platform with Blair. Bottom line is he couldn't be arsed and was more interested in preserving his "7.5 out of 10" position than actually picking a side in such a binary issue. | |
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| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 20:34 - May 8 with 951 views | The_Last_Baron |
Bring back Corbyn! |  |
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| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 20:34 - May 8 with 948 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 20:22 - May 8 by tractordownsouth |
To which point?
No snap election in 2017 with Burnham/without Corbyn is correct. May only called it due to her 20 point poll lead, for which Corbyn was largely responsible.
During the referendum lots of Labour North MPs said there was apathy towards remain at best. They said plenty of Labour voters didn't know what the party's position on it was and saw leave as an opporunity to vote against Cameron and The Tories. Obviously it's not entirely that simple but considering towns in the North was where the referendum was lost (and an area where Corbyn never campaigned in the referendum and then lost in the 2019 GE) then having a Labour case for remain led by a good leader could've made a lot of difference.
Case in point: In Gordon Brown's book he said Cameron rang him to suggest an event where all living PMs would promote Remain. Brown instead suggested a better idea would be to get all living Labour leaders to do it instead to get the vote out in the North and Midlands. Everyone else was up for it except Corbyn, because he didn't want to share a platform with Blair. Bottom line is he couldn't be arsed and was more interested in preserving his "7.5 out of 10" position than actually picking a side in such a binary issue. |
Corbyn didn't want to share a platform with Blair but he's quite happy to share a platform with members of Hamas, Hezbollah and the IRA. That really does say it all. |  |
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| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 20:56 - May 8 with 926 views | bournemouthblue |
| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 17:03 - May 8 by positivity |
a real sliding doors moment when corbyn was gifted a place in the ballot; this sidelined 2 electable leaders in burnham and cooper.
this has blessed us with 5 wasted years, brexit, boris and who knows how many extra tens of thousands of coronavirus deaths... |
Even when Corbyn did better than expected against May, he probably should have gone then
That was when the opportunity was wasted
Starmer's approach not to be too critical of the government when they were a total shambles has backfired massively
It's a strange times massively, the turnout wasn't great and people seem to be following the status quo which perhaps isn't that surprising after a period of the government giving out loads of free money |  |
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| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 21:04 - May 8 with 905 views | Esseeja |
| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 16:37 - May 8 by Keno |
Burn ham would make a better labour leader than Starmer |
This is probably very unpopular but I thought Clive Lewis should have had a chance at the time. I never even heard of Starmer when he was selected as labour leader and to this day I still don't really know what he stands for politically. |  | | |
| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 21:11 - May 8 with 899 views | Esseeja |
| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 21:04 - May 8 by Esseeja |
This is probably very unpopular but I thought Clive Lewis should have had a chance at the time. I never even heard of Starmer when he was selected as labour leader and to this day I still don't really know what he stands for politically. |
This by the way was when I saw his voting record, he isn't very good at delivering convincing speeches so I'd take him out of there now too.
I don't think there is a suitable candidate and that's why I think Labour are close to finished as a party. It's probably going to be a Conservative government until at least 2030. | | | |
| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 21:34 - May 8 with 881 views | tractordownsouth |
| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 21:04 - May 8 by Esseeja |
This is probably very unpopular but I thought Clive Lewis should have had a chance at the time. I never even heard of Starmer when he was selected as labour leader and to this day I still don't really know what he stands for politically. |
Are you local to Norwich? Surprised you'd not heard of Starmer but had heard of Lewis. | |
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| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 21:36 - May 8 with 873 views | tractordownsouth |
| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 20:20 - May 8 by Darth_Koont |
I think you need to take a step back and smell the roses. Lewis is essentially right.
Or you can keep trudging down the road where being part of the Labour gang (and putting up with the Labour gang leaders) pays dividends.
But it’s not going to happen: these people are taking and abusing party loyalty for their own personal ends. It’s Change UK on an authoritarian scale. |
What's he right about? He makes some decent points on PR but that's literally it. He'd be a disaster. | |
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| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 22:40 - May 8 with 839 views | Herbivore |
| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 19:41 - May 8 by GlasgowBlue |
But if you are representative of left wing thinking across the country then it does matter.
Expecting normal rules to apply to Boris Johnson is naïve. And complaining that it isn't fair that the same rules don't apply to Politian x,y or z is counterproductive.
I've no skin in the game. Just making an observation. |
I'm not representative of anything other than myself. I despair that we don't seem to expect the most basic of standards of our PM and find it awful that someone would suggest we should ignore how terrible he is because it might be politically expedient. You say you have no skin in the game, but you are and always have been more invested in party politics than me. |  |
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| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 23:55 - May 8 with 802 views | Darth_Koont |
| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 20:34 - May 8 by GlasgowBlue |
Corbyn didn't want to share a platform with Blair but he's quite happy to share a platform with members of Hamas, Hezbollah and the IRA. That really does say it all. |
Thanks for that, Dan Hodges. | |
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