| Tesla....a bit sh1t really? 22:17 - May 15 with 1946 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/may/15/tesla-fatal-california-crash-aut
Tesla, which has disbanded its public relations department, did not respond to an email seeking comment. The company says in owner’s manuals and on its website that both autopilot and full self-driving are not fully autonomous and that drivers must pay attention and be ready to intervene at any time.
Autopilot has had trouble dealing with stationary objects and traffic crossing in front of Teslas. In two Florida crashes, in 2016 and 2019, cars with autopilot in use drove beneath crossing tractor-trailers, killing the men driving the Teslas. In a 2018 crash in Mountain View, California, an Apple engineer driving on autopilot was killed when his Tesla struck a highway barrier.
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| Tesla....a bit sh1t really? on 22:56 - May 15 with 1853 views | StokieBlue |
Or alternatively it's a developing technology where it's clearly stated you don't do what those drivers were doing.
The blame in this situation is with them.
As a car though, I do feel there are better electric options out there. The Volvo Polestars look great.
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| Tesla....a bit sh1t really? on 23:33 - May 15 with 1796 views | Bluefish |
| Tesla....a bit sh1t really? on 22:56 - May 15 by StokieBlue |
Or alternatively it's a developing technology where it's clearly stated you don't do what those drivers were doing.
The blame in this situation is with them.
As a car though, I do feel there are better electric options out there. The Volvo Polestars look great.
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The autopilot looks great. The cars are horribly built, they are laughed at in the industry and being returned in the thousands. It is worth noting they are still loss making at selling cars |  |
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| Tesla....a bit sh1t really? on 11:43 - May 16 with 1569 views | solomon |
| Tesla....a bit sh1t really? on 22:56 - May 15 by StokieBlue |
Or alternatively it's a developing technology where it's clearly stated you don't do what those drivers were doing.
The blame in this situation is with them.
As a car though, I do feel there are better electric options out there. The Volvo Polestars look great.
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Agree about the polestar, it’s a great car with excellent features, interior and driver environment beats the utter blandness of the Tesla interior.
The big established auto manufacturers are now offering some great EV’s . Times are changing fast. |  | | |
| Tesla....a bit sh1t really? on 11:45 - May 16 with 1558 views | giant_stow |
| Tesla....a bit sh1t really? on 11:43 - May 16 by solomon |
Agree about the polestar, it’s a great car with excellent features, interior and driver environment beats the utter blandness of the Tesla interior.
The big established auto manufacturers are now offering some great EV’s . Times are changing fast. |
After reading stokie's post, looked up this polestar thing and it looks the absolute bollox! Not that I could afford it, but wow. |  |
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| Tesla....a bit sh1t really? on 12:57 - May 16 with 1524 views | solomon |
| Tesla....a bit sh1t really? on 11:45 - May 16 by giant_stow |
After reading stokie's post, looked up this polestar thing and it looks the absolute bollox! Not that I could afford it, but wow. |
Polestar 1 or 2 ? The 1 is out of everyone’s pocket I think | | | |
| Tesla....a bit sh1t really? on 14:29 - May 16 with 1466 views | giant_stow |
| Tesla....a bit sh1t really? on 12:57 - May 16 by solomon |
Polestar 1 or 2 ? The 1 is out of everyone’s pocket I think |
Both in my case! 40 grand for a car?! No Chance. Good luck to anyone who can though. | |
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| Tesla....a bit sh1t really? on 14:55 - May 16 with 1441 views | J2BLUE |
| Tesla....a bit sh1t really? on 23:33 - May 15 by Bluefish |
The autopilot looks great. The cars are horribly built, they are laughed at in the industry and being returned in the thousands. It is worth noting they are still loss making at selling cars |
Musk said he expected Tesla Energy to be as big as the car side one day. Sounds much more exciting. |  |
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| Tesla....a bit sh1t really? on 16:44 - May 16 with 1388 views | solomon |
| Tesla....a bit sh1t really? on 14:55 - May 16 by J2BLUE |
Musk said he expected Tesla Energy to be as big as the car side one day. Sounds much more exciting. |
I think it highly unlikely Tesla will be the leading vehicle manufacturer in the next 10 years, they currently dominate a market that none of the big players have committed fully to, once they do it’s going to be a lot harder for Tesla as the market will be saturated with options. | | | |
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| Tesla....a bit sh1t really? on 17:12 - May 16 with 1359 views | solomon |
| Tesla....a bit sh1t really? on 14:29 - May 16 by giant_stow |
Both in my case! 40 grand for a car?! No Chance. Good luck to anyone who can though. |
Indeed not cheap, be interesting to see what the used values are in 3 years? May be more affordable but as with quite a few EV s in this price bracket / spec the performance output is high (400bhp and above) I can see this attracting higher insurance premiums and putting most people off. | | | |
| Tesla....a bit sh1t really? on 18:09 - May 16 with 1316 views | BryanPlug |
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| Tesla....a bit sh1t really? on 07:02 - May 17 with 1169 views | solomon |
| Tesla....a bit sh1t really? on 18:09 - May 16 by BryanPlug |
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| Tesla....a bit sh1t really? on 09:19 - May 17 with 1088 views | JohnWarksTash |
It's a bit like complaining if the kettle you boiled burnt you because you decided to stand it on its lid whilst balancing it on your lap. In each case they were using the feature in a way it wasn't intended to be used. |  | | |
| Tesla....a bit sh1t really? on 09:23 - May 17 with 1063 views | JohnWarksTash |
| Tesla....a bit sh1t really? on 22:56 - May 15 by StokieBlue |
Or alternatively it's a developing technology where it's clearly stated you don't do what those drivers were doing.
The blame in this situation is with them.
As a car though, I do feel there are better electric options out there. The Volvo Polestars look great.
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I have a Model three and test drove both the Polestar 2 and iPace as well, but the tesla was the better all round package in my opinion. The in car infotainment with the Jag was terrible but it really is a nice drive......stated range is optimistic at best though. The Polestar was interesting....it's obviously a Volvo when you are inside and from a driving perspective is very unwhelming....rear space is poor too so no good if you have kids.
In summary I love my Tesla....best car I have ever driven. | | | |
| Tesla....a bit sh1t really? on 09:25 - May 17 with 1050 views | JohnWarksTash |
| Tesla....a bit sh1t really? on 23:33 - May 15 by Bluefish |
The autopilot looks great. The cars are horribly built, they are laughed at in the industry and being returned in the thousands. It is worth noting they are still loss making at selling cars |
I think the build quality issues are overblown, however I don't have any contacts in the industry....just talking from a consumer perspective. I know a good few Model 3 owners and very few have had build/paint issues. I think they have improved since moving production to China. | | | |
| Tesla....a bit sh1t really? on 09:27 - May 17 with 1044 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Tesla....a bit sh1t really? on 09:23 - May 17 by JohnWarksTash |
I have a Model three and test drove both the Polestar 2 and iPace as well, but the tesla was the better all round package in my opinion. The in car infotainment with the Jag was terrible but it really is a nice drive......stated range is optimistic at best though. The Polestar was interesting....it's obviously a Volvo when you are inside and from a driving perspective is very unwhelming....rear space is poor too so no good if you have kids.
In summary I love my Tesla....best car I have ever driven. |
'Infotainment!'
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| Tesla....a bit sh1t really? on 09:29 - May 17 with 1039 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Tesla....a bit sh1t really? on 12:57 - May 16 by solomon |
Polestar 1 or 2 ? The 1 is out of everyone’s pocket I think |
I bought a couple, one each for me and the mrs. Def info.
If I had that sort of money to splash out on an electric car I'd be shopping for a Porsche Taycan Turbo S. Not sure how you have a turbo on an electric motor though. |  |
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| Tesla....a bit sh1t really? on 09:42 - May 17 with 1023 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Tesla....a bit sh1t really? on 09:19 - May 17 by JohnWarksTash |
It's a bit like complaining if the kettle you boiled burnt you because you decided to stand it on its lid whilst balancing it on your lap. In each case they were using the feature in a way it wasn't intended to be used. |
*tries to recall the complaint email I sent to Russell Hobbs* [Post edited 17 May 2021 9:42]
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| Tesla....a bit sh1t really? on 09:49 - May 17 with 1006 views | ElephantintheRoom |
On the other hand the company produces a car which is unfit for purpose in a large country where the range is so limited, the build quality as with most things american is appalling, they lose money on every shoddy car they build - yet it is the most higly valued car company in the world - and yeythe somewhat eccentric owner is somewhat wealthy as a result of producing such rubbish..
Dont fly to Mars or the moon in an Elon Musk company product would be my advice - and certainly not on autopilot - though you can see why americans in their boring cars on boring roads might be tempted to use it. |  |
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| Tesla....a bit sh1t really? on 09:51 - May 17 with 1004 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Tesla....a bit sh1t really? on 09:19 - May 17 by JohnWarksTash |
It's a bit like complaining if the kettle you boiled burnt you because you decided to stand it on its lid whilst balancing it on your lap. In each case they were using the feature in a way it wasn't intended to be used. |
What they need to do is only let them be driven by robots! | |
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| Tesla....a bit sh1t really? on 09:56 - May 17 with 995 views | giant_stow |
| Tesla....a bit sh1t really? on 09:49 - May 17 by ElephantintheRoom |
On the other hand the company produces a car which is unfit for purpose in a large country where the range is so limited, the build quality as with most things american is appalling, they lose money on every shoddy car they build - yet it is the most higly valued car company in the world - and yeythe somewhat eccentric owner is somewhat wealthy as a result of producing such rubbish..
Dont fly to Mars or the moon in an Elon Musk company product would be my advice - and certainly not on autopilot - though you can see why americans in their boring cars on boring roads might be tempted to use it. |
I love your posts! I can't put into words why, but in my simple simon language, I think it's your perma-grump-everything-is-sh1t style. | |
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| Tesla....a bit sh1t really? on 10:34 - May 17 with 972 views | solomon |
| Tesla....a bit sh1t really? on 09:29 - May 17 by Swansea_Blue |
I bought a couple, one each for me and the mrs. Def info.
If I had that sort of money to splash out on an electric car I'd be shopping for a Porsche Taycan Turbo S. Not sure how you have a turbo on an electric motor though. |
The “turbo” bit is just a naming convention. As Porsche moves into EV markets it needs to bring its long established branding with it, same of its sister car the Audi electron GT RS , and that’s the thing, the Tesla is a brilliant product let’s make no mistake about that I just feel they don’t quite have the design and aesthetics where they need to be to compete at those price points. | | | |
| Tesla....a bit sh1t really? on 10:51 - May 17 with 955 views | JohnWarksTash |
| Tesla....a bit sh1t really? on 09:49 - May 17 by ElephantintheRoom |
On the other hand the company produces a car which is unfit for purpose in a large country where the range is so limited, the build quality as with most things american is appalling, they lose money on every shoddy car they build - yet it is the most higly valued car company in the world - and yeythe somewhat eccentric owner is somewhat wealthy as a result of producing such rubbish..
Dont fly to Mars or the moon in an Elon Musk company product would be my advice - and certainly not on autopilot - though you can see why americans in their boring cars on boring roads might be tempted to use it. |
Supercharger network negates any range anxiety according to my US based M3 owners. I mean they are only talking from experience so feel free to ignore them..... | | | |
| Tesla....a bit sh1t really? on 11:02 - May 17 with 922 views | ghostofescobar |
90% of current vehicle accidents are caused by human error. So even if Tesla (and all the others) automation cause 50% of all future accidents (which they won’t, it will get way down to single figures in time) then the roads will be a lot safer. |  |
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