| I wonder how far into the season... 12:38 - Jun 16 with 3784 views | OriginalMarkyP |
...we'll get before we start hearing how 'we're a work in progress', 'It's a bit of a project', 'There's a lot to turn around here', 'It's a bigger job than it first looked', 'This must be the hardest League 1 ever with some the big clubs here.' ? |  |
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| I wonder how far into the season... on 13:29 - Jun 16 with 1837 views | chrismakin |
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so 1 Player is pompy doing more astute business than town , bizarre take. |  |
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| I wonder how far into the season... on 13:33 - Jun 16 with 1813 views | OriginalMarkyP |
| I wonder how far into the season... on 13:29 - Jun 16 by chrismakin |
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so 1 Player is pompy doing more astute business than town , bizarre take. |
I am more concerned with some of the players walking out of club who we aren't replacing.
And if we are to believe what we read, we have the biggest rebuilding job to do of all the decent league one teams. | |
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| I wonder how far into the season... on 13:34 - Jun 16 with 1810 views | MerseyBlue |
| I wonder how far into the season... on 13:29 - Jun 16 by chrismakin |
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so 1 Player is pompy doing more astute business than town , bizarre take. |
Bizarre indeed. |  |
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| I wonder how far into the season... on 13:42 - Jun 16 with 1769 views | chrismakin |
| I wonder how far into the season... on 13:33 - Jun 16 by OriginalMarkyP |
I am more concerned with some of the players walking out of club who we aren't replacing.
And if we are to believe what we read, we have the biggest rebuilding job to do of all the decent league one teams. |
But it's the 16th June.
Best to wait until pre season fixtures imo to see what the picture is at that point
So far weve not lost anyone which leaves us short and gained Evans and Burns. | |
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| I wonder how far into the season... on 13:44 - Jun 16 with 1765 views | Superblue95 |
| I wonder how far into the season... on 13:28 - Jun 16 by tractorboy1978 |
Portsmouth? Haha you are trolling. They've lost most of their team. |
He’s not trolling, he just doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about. As usual. |  |
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| I wonder how far into the season... on 13:45 - Jun 16 with 1752 views | MrTown |
Not sure why you've got such a negative spin on things going in to a new season. You aren't the only one, a couple of others that maybe seem to have the hump with Cook etc, maybe because he released the average stalwarts, maybe because he told the academy players that haven't be very good they can leave, maybe because he has shaken things up a little.
Good. It was exactly what was needed. Strip back and let a man who knows what success is take the reigns in Paul Cook, let him handle things how he needs to. |  |
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| I wonder how far into the season... on 13:55 - Jun 16 with 1712 views | BiGDonnie |
Disappointed we weren't in for him. 16 years old and broke into the Bromley side last season, not sure what they paid for him but if he continues to progress they'll sell him for a lot more than they paid. |  |
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| I wonder how far into the season... on 13:57 - Jun 16 with 1703 views | OriginalMarkyP |
| I wonder how far into the season... on 13:45 - Jun 16 by MrTown |
Not sure why you've got such a negative spin on things going in to a new season. You aren't the only one, a couple of others that maybe seem to have the hump with Cook etc, maybe because he released the average stalwarts, maybe because he told the academy players that haven't be very good they can leave, maybe because he has shaken things up a little.
Good. It was exactly what was needed. Strip back and let a man who knows what success is take the reigns in Paul Cook, let him handle things how he needs to. |
My opinion, or anyone else's for that matter on this board will have zero impact on Paul Cook's decisions and the way he chooses to run our club.
We share them because it's a messageboard. There is no reason to stay silent if we're unsure of a direction taken or a decision made. We can express them. Whether we agree is always up for debate. But wouldn't that be boring if everyone held the same opinion? It isn't about being right, or letting Paul Cook get on with it (I 100% believe that he is) but that doesn't mean we should mutely and meekly sit silent when we don't see things the same way as the loud majority. | |
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| I wonder how far into the season... on 14:02 - Jun 16 with 1671 views | TractorCam |
| I wonder how far into the season... on 13:57 - Jun 16 by OriginalMarkyP |
My opinion, or anyone else's for that matter on this board will have zero impact on Paul Cook's decisions and the way he chooses to run our club.
We share them because it's a messageboard. There is no reason to stay silent if we're unsure of a direction taken or a decision made. We can express them. Whether we agree is always up for debate. But wouldn't that be boring if everyone held the same opinion? It isn't about being right, or letting Paul Cook get on with it (I 100% believe that he is) but that doesn't mean we should mutely and meekly sit silent when we don't see things the same way as the loud majority. |
But you express this more than once a week, when it's summer time. The transfer window is open for another 60 days, pre season starts in 12 days, relax. |  |
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| I wonder how far into the season... on 14:04 - Jun 16 with 1666 views | jayessess |
I'm sceptical about some aspects of how we've gone about this Summer's work, but I still ultimately think it'll be fine. You can fix a lot of problems with money. |  |
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| I wonder how far into the season... on 14:39 - Jun 16 with 1636 views | dirtyboy |
| I wonder how far into the season... on 14:04 - Jun 16 by jayessess |
I'm sceptical about some aspects of how we've gone about this Summer's work, but I still ultimately think it'll be fine. You can fix a lot of problems with money. |
Cook is not stupid, he must know that the amount of work he's setting himself up for is huge and that not delivering on such wholesale changes with substantial backing for this league is only going to lead to him losing his job.
It's certainly a bold step, but clearly he believes it's the right one and the right way to do it.
New season....have to have a little faith. |  | | |
| I wonder how far into the season... on 15:41 - Jun 16 with 1577 views | MerseyBlue |
| I wonder how far into the season... on 13:55 - Jun 16 by BiGDonnie |
Disappointed we weren't in for him. 16 years old and broke into the Bromley side last season, not sure what they paid for him but if he continues to progress they'll sell him for a lot more than they paid. |
He looked good on the couple of occasions I saw Bromley play on BT, but much of what I know about him comes from the Non League Paper. I tend to agree that he'll be one to watch but assume that as we've handed out pro contracts to our own youngsters, we'll be targeting our recruitment around experienced pros. [Post edited 16 Jun 2021 15:49]
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| I wonder how far into the season... on 18:19 - Jun 16 with 1515 views | MrTown |
| I wonder how far into the season... on 13:57 - Jun 16 by OriginalMarkyP |
My opinion, or anyone else's for that matter on this board will have zero impact on Paul Cook's decisions and the way he chooses to run our club.
We share them because it's a messageboard. There is no reason to stay silent if we're unsure of a direction taken or a decision made. We can express them. Whether we agree is always up for debate. But wouldn't that be boring if everyone held the same opinion? It isn't about being right, or letting Paul Cook get on with it (I 100% believe that he is) but that doesn't mean we should mutely and meekly sit silent when we don't see things the same way as the loud majority. |
I understand everybody has difference in opinions.
But what exactly is your opinion, and lot posts without much substance to them.
Like this OP, what is the purpose behind it, or the reasoning for it?
All very odd. | |
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| I wonder how far into the season... on 18:36 - Jun 16 with 1493 views | OriginalMarkyP |
| I wonder how far into the season... on 18:19 - Jun 16 by MrTown |
I understand everybody has difference in opinions.
But what exactly is your opinion, and lot posts without much substance to them.
Like this OP, what is the purpose behind it, or the reasoning for it?
All very odd. |
Not really.
My Opinion is that there are a lot of people on this site that jump down the throat of anything that resembles criticism of Cook's way of doing things and I find that a bit odd.
I've been very clear in that I hope he succeeds. It's just that I think certain things he's done and said aren't the wisest. And I've questioned the coaching experience of some of his hires. Questioning someone is not the same as wanting them to fail, it's because I want Ipswich and while he is Ipswich manager, Paul Cook, to succeed that I'm questioning certain things.
Cook (and the new owners) have been very bullish about the success they are going to bring to the club next season. Personally, I think this approach can blow up in your face. Wigan for instance seem to be doing some very fast, very good business. The sort many of our fans were expecting to see. But expectations on them have not been as high as the expectation we've invited on ourselves. Richardson has behaved wisely in my opinion. Cook has been a little rash and talked a little too much, upsetting a few people he might need to turn to along the way.
But I still hope he comes good. But I don't have blind faith that he will come good. I'll base it on his actions at this club. Not what he's done with other staff, at other clubs.
Now, that's not so outlandish an opinion, is it? [Post edited 16 Jun 2021 18:39]
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| I wonder how far into the season... on 18:42 - Jun 16 with 1485 views | chrismakin |
| I wonder how far into the season... on 18:36 - Jun 16 by OriginalMarkyP |
Not really.
My Opinion is that there are a lot of people on this site that jump down the throat of anything that resembles criticism of Cook's way of doing things and I find that a bit odd.
I've been very clear in that I hope he succeeds. It's just that I think certain things he's done and said aren't the wisest. And I've questioned the coaching experience of some of his hires. Questioning someone is not the same as wanting them to fail, it's because I want Ipswich and while he is Ipswich manager, Paul Cook, to succeed that I'm questioning certain things.
Cook (and the new owners) have been very bullish about the success they are going to bring to the club next season. Personally, I think this approach can blow up in your face. Wigan for instance seem to be doing some very fast, very good business. The sort many of our fans were expecting to see. But expectations on them have not been as high as the expectation we've invited on ourselves. Richardson has behaved wisely in my opinion. Cook has been a little rash and talked a little too much, upsetting a few people he might need to turn to along the way.
But I still hope he comes good. But I don't have blind faith that he will come good. I'll base it on his actions at this club. Not what he's done with other staff, at other clubs.
Now, that's not so outlandish an opinion, is it? [Post edited 16 Jun 2021 18:39]
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"Wigan for instance seem to be doing some very fast, very good business. "
We're clearly in a different Market, one we've not had the luxury of being in for a long long while.
We are looking to recruit for with 2 leagues in mind not just league 1. | |
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| I wonder how far into the season... on 18:45 - Jun 16 with 1476 views | OriginalMarkyP |
| I wonder how far into the season... on 18:42 - Jun 16 by chrismakin |
"Wigan for instance seem to be doing some very fast, very good business. "
We're clearly in a different Market, one we've not had the luxury of being in for a long long while.
We are looking to recruit for with 2 leagues in mind not just league 1. |
But we have to get promoted from League 1.
That's the first hurdle.
And I've yet to see evidence that we're buying for the championship.
And no one has evidence that Rakeem Harper (if we sign him) is a decent champ player. No more than Dozzell is a decent champ player. | |
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| I wonder how far into the season... on 18:46 - Jun 16 with 1474 views | Churchman |
| I wonder how far into the season... on 12:59 - Jun 16 by OriginalMarkyP |
Whiney? I have a rich velvety baritone I'll have you know.
And the vast majority of my posts are positive. I'm just asking a question based on the reality that a lot league one clubs are doing some astute business in the transfer market at the moment, and we aren't quite having the signing frenzy some were imagining. There has been a lot of people on here displaying a certain amount of blind faith in the regime and I for one think that there is nothing wrong with questioning them.
So far on balance more talent has gone out of the club than has come in. If Downes ships off to Barnsley well that would be a big loss IMO. Also there is a lot of talk of how great a signing Harper will be, but based on what evidence? He's from WBA. By that measure Bennetts should have been a revalation, yet the only thing revealed about him was his ability to run down blind alleys and lose the ball.
I'm not convinced we're going to take the league by storm yet, although a lot of people seem to have decided that we will. Cook and the owners have been very clear on what constitutes success, and so far, I see scant evidence that we'll achieve it. |
So, basically you are saying other clubs are doing ‘astute business’ while we are interested in players like Harper for whom you believe there is no evidence that they are any good. In other words, by June 16 all the good players have been snapped up but unambitious Ipswich are left with the crumbs.
You moaned about forthcoming excuses of ‘work in progress’. Well I hate to tell you, it is work in progress. Evans, Lambert and co left us with a pretty much destroyed football club and a DVD of ‘my highlights at Dortmund’.
There is no guarantee that the players signed by Wigan or anyone else will make a team. There is no guarantee the players we have will make a team. What you have to ask is whether you have confidence in the management to build one. What exactly would you ‘question them’ on other than their cheese preferences and do you think they’d take you into their confidence? I doubt it.
Chill out, ignore the rumours and nonsense and let’s see what the team looks like in August. |  | | |
| I wonder how far into the season... on 18:48 - Jun 16 with 1470 views | OriginalMarkyP |
| I wonder how far into the season... on 18:46 - Jun 16 by Churchman |
So, basically you are saying other clubs are doing ‘astute business’ while we are interested in players like Harper for whom you believe there is no evidence that they are any good. In other words, by June 16 all the good players have been snapped up but unambitious Ipswich are left with the crumbs.
You moaned about forthcoming excuses of ‘work in progress’. Well I hate to tell you, it is work in progress. Evans, Lambert and co left us with a pretty much destroyed football club and a DVD of ‘my highlights at Dortmund’.
There is no guarantee that the players signed by Wigan or anyone else will make a team. There is no guarantee the players we have will make a team. What you have to ask is whether you have confidence in the management to build one. What exactly would you ‘question them’ on other than their cheese preferences and do you think they’d take you into their confidence? I doubt it.
Chill out, ignore the rumours and nonsense and let’s see what the team looks like in August. |
I'm not asking them a question. I'm questioning some of the decision making. How on earth do you get the idea of me sitting down with them and having a chat?
Bizarre. | |
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| I wonder how far into the season... on 18:48 - Jun 16 with 1470 views | chrismakin |
| I wonder how far into the season... on 18:45 - Jun 16 by OriginalMarkyP |
But we have to get promoted from League 1.
That's the first hurdle.
And I've yet to see evidence that we're buying for the championship.
And no one has evidence that Rakeem Harper (if we sign him) is a decent champ player. No more than Dozzell is a decent champ player. |
Burns, Evans, 3 year deals will be more than capable at Champ level to start with
You keep saying you see no Evidence. There will be some, but you'll need to wait | |
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| I wonder how far into the season... on 18:54 - Jun 16 with 1448 views | OriginalMarkyP |
| I wonder how far into the season... on 18:48 - Jun 16 by chrismakin |
Burns, Evans, 3 year deals will be more than capable at Champ level to start with
You keep saying you see no Evidence. There will be some, but you'll need to wait |
I think they could do a fair job in the champ. I think they'll be very good in League 1. And I think that's what we need right now. A team to get out of this league. That has to be the priority. Some players may make the transition to the championship. Some won't and will need to be replaced or supplemented with better signings. But that's for the future.
We need a team to get promoted. If we don't build one. We aren't going to be playing in the championship. | |
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| I wonder how far into the season... on 18:55 - Jun 16 with 1442 views | Churchman |
| I wonder how far into the season... on 18:48 - Jun 16 by OriginalMarkyP |
I'm not asking them a question. I'm questioning some of the decision making. How on earth do you get the idea of me sitting down with them and having a chat?
Bizarre. |
Actually it’s your expectations and your posts that are bizarre. | | | |
| I wonder how far into the season... on 18:56 - Jun 16 with 1440 views | OriginalMarkyP |
| I wonder how far into the season... on 18:55 - Jun 16 by Churchman |
Actually it’s your expectations and your posts that are bizarre. |
Childish response. | |
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| I wonder how far into the season... on 19:00 - Jun 16 with 1436 views | Superblue95 |
| I wonder how far into the season... on 18:56 - Jun 16 by OriginalMarkyP |
Childish response. |
You have an odd definition of ‘childish’ | |
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