| Looking at todays hospital admissions... 19:10 - Jul 7 with 4452 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
...up 1/3 (extra 700 in a week). Are we going to make it to 'freedom day' this time before Boris has to back track? |  |
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| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 17:29 - Jul 8 with 705 views | HARRY10 |
| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 14:00 - Jul 8 by TheBoyBlue |
You're absolutely right. However, my point was that we have shown that society can cope with those sorts of numbers dying without lockdowns, social distancing, etc. Therefore, this is something that should be manageable on these numbers and even if they we will rise. Which they will, but hopefully not enough to overwhelm our hospitals, especially if people continue to constantly wash their hands and wear masks in certain situations. Unless we start getting tens of thousands of people in hospital with Covid and deaths back in the hundreds each day for more than a few weeks, then we really do need to learn to live with this. And hopefully as time goes on the vaccines will further lower the numbers. |
Wrong on so many levels.
Flu victims do not take up hospital beds in the same ratio as covid patients. Whilst the NHS 'coped' it was at the expense of delaying huge numbers of other treatments, and by bringing in retired staff and throwing huge sums of money at the pandemic.
To bleat out absurd nonsense about 'living with it' is as stupid as not wanting WW2 to end but to carry on year after year, and learning to 'live with it'.
And the belief in trusting people to behave reasonably is to have not lived among and watched the great unwashed. It does not require a lot of people to cause a lot of infection. Just as the one selfish idiot at the Tour de France.
The admission by Johnson that there will be millions self isolating by August is an acceptance of the dangers in the measures he is taking. And every hospital bed that increase causes is one less patient the NHS can treat to try and reduce the record numbers waiting for treatment.
It seems, as with brexit, we have one part of society saying 'fck you Jack', to the rest |  | | |
| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 17:34 - Jul 8 with 693 views | chrismakin |
| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 17:29 - Jul 8 by HARRY10 |
Wrong on so many levels.
Flu victims do not take up hospital beds in the same ratio as covid patients. Whilst the NHS 'coped' it was at the expense of delaying huge numbers of other treatments, and by bringing in retired staff and throwing huge sums of money at the pandemic.
To bleat out absurd nonsense about 'living with it' is as stupid as not wanting WW2 to end but to carry on year after year, and learning to 'live with it'.
And the belief in trusting people to behave reasonably is to have not lived among and watched the great unwashed. It does not require a lot of people to cause a lot of infection. Just as the one selfish idiot at the Tour de France.
The admission by Johnson that there will be millions self isolating by August is an acceptance of the dangers in the measures he is taking. And every hospital bed that increase causes is one less patient the NHS can treat to try and reduce the record numbers waiting for treatment.
It seems, as with brexit, we have one part of society saying 'fck you Jack', to the rest |
One of the biggest things alot of people tend to ignore is the self isolation of Nurses and Doctors, there isn't an unlimited amount of them! |  |
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| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 21:29 - Jul 8 with 607 views | 26_Paz |
| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 20:23 - Jul 7 by dickie |
Listen to the scientists? |
I’m pretty sure I saw the top two scientists on tv the other day saying we should go ahead with July 19th [Post edited 8 Jul 2021 21:29]
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| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 21:43 - Jul 8 with 583 views | StirlingArcher |
| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 21:29 - Jul 8 by 26_Paz |
I’m pretty sure I saw the top two scientists on tv the other day saying we should go ahead with July 19th [Post edited 8 Jul 2021 21:29]
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| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 22:07 - Jul 8 with 510 views | StokieBlue |
| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 21:54 - Jul 8 by 26_Paz |
It was Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance actually in the news conference (I think it was Monday). I think I’ll go with them ahead of the TWTD doom mongers |
They aren't really in an impartial position though. They are the government advisors so somewhat have to make the best of the government decisions given they have no real power.
They were also very cautious with their words. The scientific community is pretty unanimous that this isn't the right course of action.
The mixed messages are starting to affect the vaccination rates:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/08/vaccine-uptake-coronavirus-england
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| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 22:18 - Jul 8 with 498 views | NewcyBlue |
| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 22:07 - Jul 8 by StokieBlue |
They aren't really in an impartial position though. They are the government advisors so somewhat have to make the best of the government decisions given they have no real power.
They were also very cautious with their words. The scientific community is pretty unanimous that this isn't the right course of action.
The mixed messages are starting to affect the vaccination rates:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/08/vaccine-uptake-coronavirus-england
SB [Post edited 8 Jul 2021 22:19]
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“ If we’ve come through 18 months of Covid and people are still not persuaded to change their behaviour, they are probably a group that are in denial for their own reasons and it may be very hard to modify their behaviour. It’ll be for the silent and sensible majority to take the lead”
From https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/05/chris-whitty-keeping-covid-restric
The modelling that they are using doesn’t take into account any booster shots.
“ There is significant risk in allowing prevalence to rise, even if hospitalisations and deaths are kept low by vaccination,” the Sage document states. If a more pathogenic variant emerges when case numbers are high and have to be brought down “then restrictive measures would be required for much longer”, it adds”
At least Javid got to say we were continuing to open during his first week on the job. |  |
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| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 23:06 - Jul 8 with 452 views | HARRY10 |
"The number of patients waiting for NHS treatment in England broke records for the second month in a row to reach 5.3 million, official figures show, prompting warnings the huge care backlog could exacerbate health service staff burnout."
Only the incompetence of such a fat, useless cnt like Johnson would think that increasing the work load of the NHS and the certain death rate of those on the waiting list is a good idea.
Failing to even respond in Feb 2020, failing to lockdown early enough in March 2020, sending covid infected patients back to care homes, failing to lockdown early enough in the autumn, cocking up the lockdown over Xmas...... all leading to one of Europes highest death tolls.
And against medical advice this cretin wants to cause more needless deaths, doubtlessly at the behest of his paymasters.
Fu -ck the NHS staff, they have had their clap(applause), and have had their 1% pay 'spike' so they will just have to get on with it. Just as those patients with illnesses needing treatment will have to.
Johnson knows he can count on the support if the stupid. Chuck them a three word slogan, and they will happily bleat it out.
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| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 23:51 - Jul 8 with 400 views | StokieBlue |
| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 21:54 - Jul 8 by 26_Paz |
It was Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance actually in the news conference (I think it was Monday). I think I’ll go with them ahead of the TWTD doom mongers |
To emphasise the point even further, the Lancet today published an open letter signed by a number of experts who called the actions being taken on the 19th July as "Dangerous and Premature".
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| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 01:56 - Jul 9 with 361 views | Ryorry |
| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 23:51 - Jul 8 by StokieBlue |
To emphasise the point even further, the Lancet today published an open letter signed by a number of experts who called the actions being taken on the 19th July as "Dangerous and Premature".
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| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 02:34 - Jul 9 with 352 views | IPS_wich |
It's also worth adding that the pre-existing notion of who are 'vulnerable people' needs to be reconsidered.
The Delta strain is putting a far greater number of 35-50 year-olds in hospital than previous strains did. | | | |
| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 02:52 - Jul 9 with 349 views | Ryorry |
| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 02:34 - Jul 9 by IPS_wich |
It's also worth adding that the pre-existing notion of who are 'vulnerable people' needs to be reconsidered.
The Delta strain is putting a far greater number of 35-50 year-olds in hospital than previous strains did. |
... and the elephant in the room is the numbers likely to be in Wembley stadium on Sunday. [Post edited 9 Jul 2021 3:02]
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