| Looking at todays hospital admissions... 19:10 - Jul 7 with 4436 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
...up 1/3 (extra 700 in a week). Are we going to make it to 'freedom day' this time before Boris has to back track? |  |
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| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 22:18 - Jul 7 with 930 views | Blueburger |
| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 21:58 - Jul 7 by StokieBlue |
You can research this yourself, why should I spend time explaining things to someone who clearly doesn't want to hear it.
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you ok hun ? |  | | |
| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 23:21 - Jul 7 with 898 views | factual_blue |
| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 22:18 - Jul 7 by Blueburger |
you ok hun ? |
Ahh...the response of somebody who has got it wrong on every level and has nothing left to say. |  |
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| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 23:24 - Jul 7 with 890 views | StokieBlue |
| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 22:18 - Jul 7 by Blueburger |
you ok hun ? |
I'm fine because I'm not a scientifically illiterate waste of space.
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| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 23:24 - Jul 7 with 890 views | NewcyBlue |
| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 21:58 - Jul 7 by StokieBlue |
You can research this yourself, why should I spend time explaining things to someone who clearly doesn't want to hear it.
SB |
“ You can research this yourself, why should I spend time explaining things to someone who is clearly hard of thinking
SB”
Fixed it for you mate. |  |
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| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 23:26 - Jul 7 with 877 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 23:24 - Jul 7 by StokieBlue |
I'm fine because I'm not a scientifically illiterate waste of space.
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I like mean Stokie! | |
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| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 23:29 - Jul 7 with 859 views | mikeybloo88 |
| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 21:40 - Jul 7 by JammyDodgerrr |
Okay - I hadn't checked overall percentage lately, but that's still just shy of 40% with basically no protection against the Delta Variant. They need to speed up the rollout and cut time between them, that's the problem. We've got a bunch of 20 & 30 year olds still 6+ weeks away from the second jab, and then three weeks for protection after that. |
Its actually approaching 70% adults fully vaccinated I think... |  | | |
| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 23:47 - Jul 7 with 850 views | chrismakin |
60,000 at Wembley. Game parties all over london
What's the worst that can happen
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| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 23:53 - Jul 7 with 834 views | Eireannach_gorm |
| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 22:18 - Jul 7 by Blueburger |
you ok hun ? |
That put him in his box.  |  | | |
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| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 00:30 - Jul 8 with 804 views | Freddies_Ears |
| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 23:47 - Jul 7 by chrismakin |
60,000 at Wembley. Game parties all over london
What's the worst that can happen
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I thought Wembley was horrendous, but I passed quickly through the throng of "Ten German Bombers ' idiots, and got to my seat - ok, standing spot! Then I was only close - er, very huggily close - to one very drunk fan ( and he was an absolute laugh!!!). Left quickly after the game, got an almost empty train back to town and avoided tube by cabbing to the hotel. Looks like I might have got away lightly. But not without a fearsome hangover, of course... | | | |
| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 00:46 - Jul 8 with 796 views | Sarge |
| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 21:04 - Jul 7 by Blueburger |
so nobody on here can give a proper answer to a basic question ?
the vulnerable in society are fully vaccinated, what is the argument against opening up fully ? |
Since other posters appear to be too arsey to actually give you a response; the scientist’s advice appears to be to keep some low level of restrictions until more people are double jabbed. This was the reasoning behind delaying June 21st although it’s really just a case of limiting the growth rather than trying to reverse it, because as we know cases have been increasing for some time now and we’re always likely to.
Clearly there has to be a time when all restrictions are removed, some people argue that now is not that time with cases continuing to rise. Hospitalisations and deaths are also rising although at drastically reduced levels. The chief scientific and medical advisers have said publicly that they support doing it now rather than later in order to prevent the peak in the wintertime when hospitals will already be busy. I suspect that privately they may not actually think this.
Also to throw into the mix is that PHE today stated that they estimate 90% of adults to have COVID antibodies and that this may mean we are nearing herd immunity.
TL;DR
Nobody is suggesting a return to lockdown, rather that the complete removal of all restrictions be pushed back until more people are vaccinated. There doesn’t appear to be a consensus on what that date is and how many people should be double vaccinated. Taking a purely medical view we absolutely should not be lifting all restrictions right now. But, as callous as it may seem, decision makers must take many factors into account and I guess businesses can’t keep having their reopening dates pushed back.
Also they’ve ditched mandatory masks and a lot of people aren’t happy about that. This too was driven by economic rather than health factors because many people (myself included) aren’t willing to go do leisure things like watching films and shopping for non-essentials whilst they’re required. | | | |
| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 00:47 - Jul 8 with 798 views | TheBoyBlue |
Pre-Covid there were around 60,000 admissions a day to A&E. Up to 20,000 deaths from flu in a bad year, which equates to 54 a day. Merely as a context. | |
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| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 05:24 - Jul 8 with 755 views | dickie |
| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 00:47 - Jul 8 by TheBoyBlue |
Pre-Covid there were around 60,000 admissions a day to A&E. Up to 20,000 deaths from flu in a bad year, which equates to 54 a day. Merely as a context. |
I feel like going forward, from what we've learned with Covid, 20000 flu deaths is entirely avoidable and unacceptable. If people have learned anything and can take it forward, hand washing, social distancing and mask wearing etc when suffering flu like symptoms should dramatically reduce that figure. But are people too selfish to think about others? | | | |
| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 06:34 - Jul 8 with 733 views | Blueburger |
| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 00:46 - Jul 8 by Sarge |
Since other posters appear to be too arsey to actually give you a response; the scientist’s advice appears to be to keep some low level of restrictions until more people are double jabbed. This was the reasoning behind delaying June 21st although it’s really just a case of limiting the growth rather than trying to reverse it, because as we know cases have been increasing for some time now and we’re always likely to.
Clearly there has to be a time when all restrictions are removed, some people argue that now is not that time with cases continuing to rise. Hospitalisations and deaths are also rising although at drastically reduced levels. The chief scientific and medical advisers have said publicly that they support doing it now rather than later in order to prevent the peak in the wintertime when hospitals will already be busy. I suspect that privately they may not actually think this.
Also to throw into the mix is that PHE today stated that they estimate 90% of adults to have COVID antibodies and that this may mean we are nearing herd immunity.
TL;DR
Nobody is suggesting a return to lockdown, rather that the complete removal of all restrictions be pushed back until more people are vaccinated. There doesn’t appear to be a consensus on what that date is and how many people should be double vaccinated. Taking a purely medical view we absolutely should not be lifting all restrictions right now. But, as callous as it may seem, decision makers must take many factors into account and I guess businesses can’t keep having their reopening dates pushed back.
Also they’ve ditched mandatory masks and a lot of people aren’t happy about that. This too was driven by economic rather than health factors because many people (myself included) aren’t willing to go do leisure things like watching films and shopping for non-essentials whilst they’re required. |
An excellent reply, thank you
I believe we are at the stage where, given the high level of double jabbed adults, we can open up fully and get our lives back to normal, obviously there will be a need for booster jabs, in the same way we do for the flu. | | | |
| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 06:47 - Jul 8 with 722 views | StokieBlue |
| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 06:34 - Jul 8 by Blueburger |
An excellent reply, thank you
I believe we are at the stage where, given the high level of double jabbed adults, we can open up fully and get our lives back to normal, obviously there will be a need for booster jabs, in the same way we do for the flu. |
Why do you believe we are at that stage when the scientists clearly think we aren't?
It's less than 60% of adults that are double dosed (only ~33% where I live) and most of the young aren't double dosed and at risk from long covid at the very least.
It was possible to ease some restrictors without going down the free for all route the government have chosen.
The NHS is already struggling with staff self-isolating as infections increase:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/08/nhs-hospitals-forced-to-cancel-ope
SB [Post edited 8 Jul 2021 8:10]
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| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 06:49 - Jul 8 with 722 views | StokieBlue |
| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 00:47 - Jul 8 by TheBoyBlue |
Pre-Covid there were around 60,000 admissions a day to A&E. Up to 20,000 deaths from flu in a bad year, which equates to 54 a day. Merely as a context. |
If you're looking to add context you shouldn't cherry pick the worst flu year in recent memory to make your point. A 5 year average is far more appropriate otherwise you are overstating your numbers.
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| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 06:50 - Jul 8 with 723 views | BlueBadger |
| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 20:01 - Jul 7 by Blueburger |
are you suggesting that we should live in some form of lockdown/restriction forever more ?
surely the success of the vaccine rollout is enough for a return to normality ? |
There's literally no good reason to stop masking, for example, given we've still got a fair chunk of the chunk unjabbed and cases rising.
The baby is going out with the bathwater. |  |
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| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 10:00 - Jul 8 with 624 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 23:29 - Jul 7 by mikeybloo88 |
Its actually approaching 70% adults fully vaccinated I think... |
64% as of yesterday, i believe. And the rate of jabs per day is incredibly low at the moment. |  |
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| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 14:00 - Jul 8 with 568 views | TheBoyBlue |
| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 06:49 - Jul 8 by StokieBlue |
If you're looking to add context you shouldn't cherry pick the worst flu year in recent memory to make your point. A 5 year average is far more appropriate otherwise you are overstating your numbers.
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You're absolutely right. However, my point was that we have shown that society can cope with those sorts of numbers dying without lockdowns, social distancing, etc. Therefore, this is something that should be manageable on these numbers and even if they we will rise. Which they will, but hopefully not enough to overwhelm our hospitals, especially if people continue to constantly wash their hands and wear masks in certain situations. Unless we start getting tens of thousands of people in hospital with Covid and deaths back in the hundreds each day for more than a few weeks, then we really do need to learn to live with this. And hopefully as time goes on the vaccines will further lower the numbers. | |
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| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 14:16 - Jul 8 with 548 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 00:46 - Jul 8 by Sarge |
Since other posters appear to be too arsey to actually give you a response; the scientist’s advice appears to be to keep some low level of restrictions until more people are double jabbed. This was the reasoning behind delaying June 21st although it’s really just a case of limiting the growth rather than trying to reverse it, because as we know cases have been increasing for some time now and we’re always likely to.
Clearly there has to be a time when all restrictions are removed, some people argue that now is not that time with cases continuing to rise. Hospitalisations and deaths are also rising although at drastically reduced levels. The chief scientific and medical advisers have said publicly that they support doing it now rather than later in order to prevent the peak in the wintertime when hospitals will already be busy. I suspect that privately they may not actually think this.
Also to throw into the mix is that PHE today stated that they estimate 90% of adults to have COVID antibodies and that this may mean we are nearing herd immunity.
TL;DR
Nobody is suggesting a return to lockdown, rather that the complete removal of all restrictions be pushed back until more people are vaccinated. There doesn’t appear to be a consensus on what that date is and how many people should be double vaccinated. Taking a purely medical view we absolutely should not be lifting all restrictions right now. But, as callous as it may seem, decision makers must take many factors into account and I guess businesses can’t keep having their reopening dates pushed back.
Also they’ve ditched mandatory masks and a lot of people aren’t happy about that. This too was driven by economic rather than health factors because many people (myself included) aren’t willing to go do leisure things like watching films and shopping for non-essentials whilst they’re required. |
Quite right.
Plus:
- when people call for a complete lifting of controls because 'the vulnerable have all been fully vaccinated' it dismisses everyone else who hasn't. There are still about 32,658,500 people (~49% of pop.) in the UK who are not fully vaccinated. And about 21,150,000 people (~32% of pop.) who have had no vaccine doses.
- that's a lot of people with lower or no protection who can get ill, end up in hospital, die, suffer complications, get long covid, be off work, etc. Anyone is vulnerable even if younger people are less likely to be seriously ill.
- that's also a lot of people that can be a breeding ground for new variants to arise, which could potentially include vaccine beating variants and then we'd be really screwed. |  |
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| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 14:46 - Jul 8 with 533 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 10:00 - Jul 8 by JammyDodgerrr |
64% as of yesterday, i believe. And the rate of jabs per day is incredibly low at the moment. |
But the jabs are available a plenty with walk in centres all over the country. We are getting to the situation where we are left with people who refuse or can't be arsed.
Interesting read from the BBC regarding cases v hospital admissions and deaths.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57678942 |  |
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| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 15:04 - Jul 8 with 511 views | chrismakin |
| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 14:00 - Jul 8 by TheBoyBlue |
You're absolutely right. However, my point was that we have shown that society can cope with those sorts of numbers dying without lockdowns, social distancing, etc. Therefore, this is something that should be manageable on these numbers and even if they we will rise. Which they will, but hopefully not enough to overwhelm our hospitals, especially if people continue to constantly wash their hands and wear masks in certain situations. Unless we start getting tens of thousands of people in hospital with Covid and deaths back in the hundreds each day for more than a few weeks, then we really do need to learn to live with this. And hopefully as time goes on the vaccines will further lower the numbers. |
On that. Deaths could easily reach 250-350 a day by End of August with no restrictions. | |
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| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 15:16 - Jul 8 with 502 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 14:46 - Jul 8 by Lord_Lucan |
But the jabs are available a plenty with walk in centres all over the country. We are getting to the situation where we are left with people who refuse or can't be arsed.
Interesting read from the BBC regarding cases v hospital admissions and deaths.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57678942 |
We aren't really - we are in a reality where there are certain areas which are almost done, but others which have really low vaccination rates. SB has posted about it lots on here before. I believe it was something like there are some areas in suffolk that have only 33% fully vaccinated. That won't be due to "we've run out of people" - it's just the way the stock is spread and the speed at which areas have been able to do it.
I am 28, and i went to book my appointment the day it was open to my age group - the earliest appointment was 2 and a half weeks later in my area. | |
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| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 15:32 - Jul 8 with 487 views | jaykay |
| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 20:47 - Jul 7 by StokieBlue |
By following their advice rather than ignoring it?
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as jeera said , don't waste your time with him. i expect he's and old poster.
e.g. hamstead ,pecker etc. |  |
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| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 15:47 - Jul 8 with 472 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 15:16 - Jul 8 by JammyDodgerrr |
We aren't really - we are in a reality where there are certain areas which are almost done, but others which have really low vaccination rates. SB has posted about it lots on here before. I believe it was something like there are some areas in suffolk that have only 33% fully vaccinated. That won't be due to "we've run out of people" - it's just the way the stock is spread and the speed at which areas have been able to do it.
I am 28, and i went to book my appointment the day it was open to my age group - the earliest appointment was 2 and a half weeks later in my area. |
Where do you live?
Edit; Your jab rollout was one month ago!! [Post edited 8 Jul 2021 16:04]
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| Looking at todays hospital admissions... on 16:25 - Jul 8 with 449 views | chrismakin |
Broke the 32k figure today for cases
35 deaths
Hospitalisations +900 over 7 days 51% up. [Post edited 8 Jul 2021 16:28]
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