| For all the work the Tories did to win the north... 19:21 - Aug 5 with 2724 views | wkj |
Bumbling Boris could have just undone it all with a love letter to maggie for closing the mines. To even hint that the move was ecologically motivated is a massive lol.
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| For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 09:51 - Aug 6 with 542 views | Lord_Lucan |
| For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 23:48 - Aug 5 by Darth_Koont |
Haha! Spoken like a white, middle-aged man from the South East. |
Would you prefer I spoke jive?
Actually, I wan't to talk like this guy - he's brilliant.
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| For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 09:57 - Aug 6 with 533 views | Lord_Lucan |
| For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 22:50 - Aug 5 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I agree with much of what you say.
Few who lived through the 70s would disagree that Thatcher did what needed to be done when she came in. I think many would say she went too far. What GB said about her environmental credentials in the context of the time are probably correct too.
However, the suggestion from Johnson that the motivation (or even the impact) was beneficial to the environment is plain wrong. The coal was simply replaced with cheaper imports. There was no desire to reduce CO2 emissions within the policy. |
I agree in a way - but the problem was that for years the country (you and me) were being held hostage by the miners.
There were probably many things during negotiations that could have been done by both sides but in the end I think that the government simply had enough of all the aggro.
The biggest failure in my opinion wasn't closing the mines but failing to invest in those communities. Ditto the sales of council house, it was a great idea and enabled hundreds of thousands of people to own a home that they never dreamed of - the failure though was not to build new council houses
Edited - well spotted that man [Post edited 6 Aug 2021 10:48]
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| For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 09:58 - Aug 6 with 530 views | Tangledupin_Blue |
| For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 09:51 - Aug 6 by Lord_Lucan |
Would you prefer I spoke jive?
Actually, I wan't to talk like this guy - he's brilliant.
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He looks a big lad for a flight attendant. The pilot must have to keep adjusting his controls everyone the guy walks up and down the aisle. |  |
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| For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 10:02 - Aug 6 with 527 views | bluelagos |
| For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 09:51 - Aug 6 by Lord_Lucan |
Would you prefer I spoke jive?
Actually, I wan't to talk like this guy - he's brilliant.
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We gonna mumify your arse boy 😀 |  |
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| For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 10:24 - Aug 6 with 480 views | Darth_Koont |
| For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 09:51 - Aug 6 by Lord_Lucan |
Would you prefer I spoke jive?
Actually, I wan't to talk like this guy - he's brilliant.
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Much better 😀 |  |
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| For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 10:24 - Aug 6 with 480 views | EdwardStone |
| For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 09:51 - Aug 6 by Lord_Lucan |
Would you prefer I spoke jive?
Actually, I wan't to talk like this guy - he's brilliant.
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Brilliant....what a storyteller |  | | |
| For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 10:26 - Aug 6 with 468 views | bluelagos |
| For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 10:24 - Aug 6 by EdwardStone |
Brilliant....what a storyteller |
He's also a bit of a comedian with a youtube channel. Fooled me when I first saw it. | |
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| For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 10:38 - Aug 6 with 441 views | Lord_Lucan |
| For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 10:26 - Aug 6 by bluelagos |
He's also a bit of a comedian with a youtube channel. Fooled me when I first saw it. |
Oh no!
Are you saying he isn't an actual flight attendant? | |
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| For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 10:40 - Aug 6 with 435 views | bluelagos |
| For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 10:38 - Aug 6 by Lord_Lucan |
Oh no!
Are you saying he isn't an actual flight attendant? |
Fraid not. He's done a few of these on his youtube channel.
Still very funny clip tbf | |
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| For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 10:42 - Aug 6 with 435 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 00:24 - Aug 6 by Swansea_Blue |
I beg to differ. We needed modernising but she sowed the seeds of all our present day ails. Individual selfishness. Disparity between the haves and have nots. Erosion of our fundamental rights. Outsourcing and privatisation of key services that other countries have shown are better retained at least part by the state. Boom and bust economy leaving 000s destitute. Globalisation of industries leaving 000s without jobs.
She ruined large parts of the UK, and they still haven’t recovered. She was certainly strong and undoubtedly would have done a better job than Johnson through Brexit (wouldn’t have entertained it) and the pandemic, but for millions of people she was evil. |
I thought that was pretty much what I said!
Somebody needed to stand up to what the unions had become in the 70s. She did that well but her policies went too far. Your summary covers a lot of what went too far. However, she also went too far with her legislation against the unions and her demonisation of the principle of unions altogether. Successive Governments have continued to erode worker and union rights too. |  |
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| For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 10:45 - Aug 6 with 424 views | gazzer1999 |
| For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 22:38 - Aug 5 by Timefliesbyintheblue |
You make some very good points - I guess with Maggie we would still be in the EU - she would have made sure she got a deal that the country would have voted for. I still believe that the culprit in all this was David Cameron who hadn't the faintest idea how the country felt at the time; and no it was not all about immigration. |
Cameron thought on the back of an election he could win a referendum, how wrong he was. The country would have voted to leave 20 years before if given the opportunity driven by the press such as the sun. Unfortunately the north red wall was all about immigration thats just what Starmer and the like don't get. |  | | |
| For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 10:46 - Aug 6 with 416 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 09:57 - Aug 6 by Lord_Lucan |
I agree in a way - but the problem was that for years the country (you and me) were being held hostage by the miners.
There were probably many things during negotiations that could have been done by both sides but in the end I think that the government simply had enough of all the aggro.
The biggest failure in my opinion wasn't closing the mines but failing to invest in those communities. Ditto the sales of council house, it was a great idea and enabled hundreds of thousands of people to own a home that they never dreamed of - the failure though was not to build new council houses
Edited - well spotted that man [Post edited 6 Aug 2021 10:48]
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Think you are missing the word "not" in your last sentence.
I thought I had said that about the miners (and others) in that the strength of the unions was too much in their favour. However, the balance has swung too far the other way now (coupled with a general perception of distrust of them that was perpetuated at the same time). | |
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| For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 10:48 - Aug 6 with 407 views | Swansea_Blue |
| For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 10:42 - Aug 6 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I thought that was pretty much what I said!
Somebody needed to stand up to what the unions had become in the 70s. She did that well but her policies went too far. Your summary covers a lot of what went too far. However, she also went too far with her legislation against the unions and her demonisation of the principle of unions altogether. Successive Governments have continued to erode worker and union rights too. |
ah, ignore me then. I assumed you're "needed to be done" comment was justifying more than she deserved. But seems we're pretty much talking about the same things. |  |
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| For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 10:48 - Aug 6 with 405 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 10:45 - Aug 6 by gazzer1999 |
Cameron thought on the back of an election he could win a referendum, how wrong he was. The country would have voted to leave 20 years before if given the opportunity driven by the press such as the sun. Unfortunately the north red wall was all about immigration thats just what Starmer and the like don't get. |
Is it "all about immigration"?
The commentators seemed to have suggested there is an element of those whose lot is very bad felt change could not make it any worse and the media had developed a culture of blaming EU "red tape" for much of what was wrong.
Of course it could be true that all Brexiteers are rabid xenophobes rather than simply all xenophobes and racists are Brexiteers. | |
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| For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 10:50 - Aug 6 with 394 views | Darth_Koont |
| For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 00:24 - Aug 6 by Swansea_Blue |
I beg to differ. We needed modernising but she sowed the seeds of all our present day ails. Individual selfishness. Disparity between the haves and have nots. Erosion of our fundamental rights. Outsourcing and privatisation of key services that other countries have shown are better retained at least part by the state. Boom and bust economy leaving 000s destitute. Globalisation of industries leaving 000s without jobs.
She ruined large parts of the UK, and they still haven’t recovered. She was certainly strong and undoubtedly would have done a better job than Johnson through Brexit (wouldn’t have entertained it) and the pandemic, but for millions of people she was evil. |
Indeed. She used the volatility of the global economy to push through some pretty extreme neoliberal ideology. Then with the global growth of the mid-80s, we entered boom or bust – boom for a lot of individuals who made a lot of money for doing very little and bust for many millions and regions who have never recovered.
Completely different from how Germany and other Northern Europeans navigated the 80s and emerged stronger out the other side. | |
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| For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 12:17 - Aug 6 with 328 views | peterleeblue |
| For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 21:38 - Aug 5 by Lord_Lucan |
Maggie gets loads of stick, mainly by people who weren't even born then.
My formative years were full of strikes and power cuts, I also remember the show of hands ballots re the mines when anyone who dared to stay on and work were beaten up and their kids were also beaten up at school.
Prince Charles and the late Prince Phillip were also massively ahead of climate change and plastics.
Maggie also made great Ice Cream.
Can you imagine Maggie in charge during this pandemic? She would have nailed it - ditto Blair, but to a lesser extent. |
"I also remember the show of hands ballots...."
Some of the strikes were not even balloted. Scargill just said "out".
Those that defied are still called and thought of as SCABS to this day.
I would love to take Johnson ( I refuse to call him Boris) by the hand down to Easington Colliery and ask him how he plans to level up the eyesore of boarded up, under invested depravation. |  | | |
| For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 13:06 - Aug 6 with 292 views | galacticoblue |
To be fair - I don’t think the tories needed to work that hard to win the north - labour did it for them |  | | |
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