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Been avoiding it for as long as possible on 22:59 - Aug 24 by DavoIPB
Yep, set up all wrong. Huge gap in midfield so they just passed through it. No shape to defence. Coaches and manager need to sort this quickly.
KVY (or was it Bonne?) said they’d been working on the long diagonal ball from the back to him, so the missing out of the midfield at times sounds like it was planned. I all looked a bit Mick MaCarthyesk to me - but then I also remember SBR’s team of the mid 70’s being very much like that. Nothing wrong with it, as long at it’s not all we do.
Been avoiding it for as long as possible on 22:59 - Aug 24 by DavoIPB
Yep, set up all wrong. Huge gap in midfield so they just passed through it. No shape to defence. Coaches and manager need to sort this quickly.
Nah. The opposite. We left Twine unmarked as it allowed Fraser a free licence (who assisted our second). For all Twine’s possession in front of our back four, he never opened us up once from open play. 2 mistakes aside, we win the game - job done. Given they barely got behind us all game, “the no shape to defence” is a misnomer too. We all see the game differently but I disagree with these points.
Been avoiding it for as long as possible on 07:45 - Aug 25 by Vic
KVY (or was it Bonne?) said they’d been working on the long diagonal ball from the back to him, so the missing out of the midfield at times sounds like it was planned. I all looked a bit Mick MaCarthyesk to me - but then I also remember SBR’s team of the mid 70’s being very much like that. Nothing wrong with it, as long at it’s not all we do.
Burley wasn't averse to it as a tactic either, Scowcroft was often used like that whether playing up front or from the right hand side. We also put in some very effective performances under him with Naylor acting as that outlet.
Been avoiding it for as long as possible on 08:18 - Aug 25 by Keaneish
Nah. The opposite. We left Twine unmarked as it allowed Fraser a free licence (who assisted our second). For all Twine’s possession in front of our back four, he never opened us up once from open play. 2 mistakes aside, we win the game - job done. Given they barely got behind us all game, “the no shape to defence” is a misnomer too. We all see the game differently but I disagree with these points.
Been avoiding it for as long as possible on 07:45 - Aug 25 by Vic
KVY (or was it Bonne?) said they’d been working on the long diagonal ball from the back to him, so the missing out of the midfield at times sounds like it was planned. I all looked a bit Mick MaCarthyesk to me - but then I also remember SBR’s team of the mid 70’s being very much like that. Nothing wrong with it, as long at it’s not all we do.
I would not call it a long ball, its a pass as it was meant and delivered perfectly.
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Been avoiding it for as long as possible on 08:28 - Aug 25 with 3272 views
Been avoiding it for as long as possible on 08:18 - Aug 25 by Keaneish
Nah. The opposite. We left Twine unmarked as it allowed Fraser a free licence (who assisted our second). For all Twine’s possession in front of our back four, he never opened us up once from open play. 2 mistakes aside, we win the game - job done. Given they barely got behind us all game, “the no shape to defence” is a misnomer too. We all see the game differently but I disagree with these points.
Agreed, they were pretty to watch but barely did anything with the ball to get into our box, only in the last 5 minutes did they actually get into our box. Everything else was get it to Twine 30 yards out and hope he has 5 yards of space in front to get a shot away.
We mixed it up quite well, we’re happy to go long and equally happy to work the ball around the pitch as well.
This isn’t Hurst era football were not being outclassed and we look like scoring. Stop the stupid mistakes and we will win a lot of games.
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Been avoiding it for as long as possible on 08:28 - Aug 25 with 3252 views
Been avoiding it for as long as possible on 08:20 - Aug 25 by Herbivore
Burley wasn't averse to it as a tactic either, Scowcroft was often used like that whether playing up front or from the right hand side. We also put in some very effective performances under him with Naylor acting as that outlet.
It's something town have done many times before
Burley with Scowy Magilton with Walters Mick with Murphy
Been avoiding it for as long as possible on 08:20 - Aug 25 by Herbivore
Burley wasn't averse to it as a tactic either, Scowcroft was often used like that whether playing up front or from the right hand side. We also put in some very effective performances under him with Naylor acting as that outlet.
I watched the 2000 Wembley again the other day and it reminded me were very direct at times, as you say Naylor and Scowcroft were often the target. McGreal and Venus were both decent long ball passers picking them out.
There is nothing wrong with a long diagonal, the key is not to over use it and catch the opposition as we did on Saturday.
Under Mick the long balls ended up being long and straight = much easier to defend.
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Been avoiding it for as long as possible on 08:35 - Aug 25 with 3217 views
Been avoiding it for as long as possible on 08:29 - Aug 25 by Cuffy81
I watched the 2000 Wembley again the other day and it reminded me were very direct at times, as you say Naylor and Scowcroft were often the target. McGreal and Venus were both decent long ball passers picking them out.
There is nothing wrong with a long diagonal, the key is not to over use it and catch the opposition as we did on Saturday.
Under Mick the long balls ended up being long and straight = much easier to defend.
Which is why Murphy never managed to 30 goals a season I guess.
Been avoiding it for as long as possible on 08:26 - Aug 25 by lazyblue
I would not call it a long ball, its a pass as it was meant and delivered perfectly.
Long ball or long pass = same thing! We both agree it was anything but an aimless pint out of defense. It was a very, very well executed pas/ball - had that goal been scored in the prem people would have been full of superlatives.
Been avoiding it for as long as possible on 08:29 - Aug 25 by Cuffy81
I watched the 2000 Wembley again the other day and it reminded me were very direct at times, as you say Naylor and Scowcroft were often the target. McGreal and Venus were both decent long ball passers picking them out.
There is nothing wrong with a long diagonal, the key is not to over use it and catch the opposition as we did on Saturday.
Under Mick the long balls ended up being long and straight = much easier to defend.
When we were at our most effective under Mick we used the direct ball well and got the full backs up quickly and played football in the opposition's territory. It wasn't hugely pretty but nor was it as dull as some make out, we used to create plenty of chances. Once Murphy went and we lost Mings we didn't have the players to play that way as effectively and it became turgid.
If you look at the goals from the PO final, they all came from pretty direct play. The second and third were both essentially long balls, though played deliberately, the first a just a cross swung in following a corner, and the final one a pretty direct counter attack goal. Some of our best goals and passages of play the following season involved more direct play as well. Absolutely nothing wrong with it, we could also keep the ball and dominate play but the ability to switch it from back to front quickly is essential.
Been avoiding it for as long as possible on 08:29 - Aug 25 by Cuffy81
I watched the 2000 Wembley again the other day and it reminded me were very direct at times, as you say Naylor and Scowcroft were often the target. McGreal and Venus were both decent long ball passers picking them out.
There is nothing wrong with a long diagonal, the key is not to over use it and catch the opposition as we did on Saturday.
Under Mick the long balls ended up being long and straight = much easier to defend.
I disagree about the long balls under Mick. Most of the ones I remember were played from side to side, seeking out Murphy. The trouble was that we carried on doing the same thing when Mupprphy was not in the team!
Been avoiding it for as long as possible on 08:35 - Aug 25 by Vic
Long ball or long pass = same thing! We both agree it was anything but an aimless pint out of defense. It was a very, very well executed pas/ball - had that goal been scored in the prem people would have been full of superlatives.
Always makes me laugh thinking about the "hoofball" moaning and then talking about SBR et al. as the antidote. All whilst ignoring the fact that there's a very famous anecdote about the ball going over the heads of the Dutchmen at first and them revolutionising our play.
The fact no one bemoaned that goal on Saturday because it was excellent says it all.
Been avoiding it for as long as possible on 08:42 - Aug 25 by Cuffy81
We used Murphy very well in the playoff season, but I seem to remember it was more straighter balls, than diagonals.
Nah, we played quite a lot of diagonals up to him and pushed the full backs on to get the ball off him. It was very effective and enabled us to boss games even without dominating possession stats.
Been avoiding it for as long as possible on 08:38 - Aug 25 by Vic
I disagree about the long balls under Mick. Most of the ones I remember were played from side to side, seeking out Murphy. The trouble was that we carried on doing the same thing when Mupprphy was not in the team!
I think Murphy made some of them balls look better than they were - particularly in the playoff season when he was on fire and a handful for defenders.
Agreed that we kept doing the same thing without Murphy, I remember Pitman looking frustrated he just wanted it to feet.
Besides Bonne's goals, I thought Bonne had a decent all round game on Saturday, held it up, drew free kicks, help us get up the pitch etc
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Been avoiding it for as long as possible on 08:52 - Aug 25 with 3076 views
Been avoiding it for as long as possible on 08:51 - Aug 25 by Cuffy81
I think Murphy made some of them balls look better than they were - particularly in the playoff season when he was on fire and a handful for defenders.
Agreed that we kept doing the same thing without Murphy, I remember Pitman looking frustrated he just wanted it to feet.
Besides Bonne's goals, I thought Bonne had a decent all round game on Saturday, held it up, drew free kicks, help us get up the pitch etc
I've been far more impressed with Bonne than with Piggot so far.
Been avoiding it for as long as possible on 08:51 - Aug 25 by Mullet
Feel free to have a look, but at best the goal against Brentford was excellent and about as close to that description as you can find I'd argue.
Looking at those goals brought back some good memories.
It was clear he was the target for majority of our attacks whether it was straight, diagonal or somewhere in between - he only needed half a chance that season.
Again, nothing wrong with a long ball, if it is an accurate long ball and we have the players on the pitch to utilise it - I'm sure Chelsea will be a bit more direct now they have Lukaku.
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Been avoiding it for as long as possible on 08:58 - Aug 25 with 3011 views
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