| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) 08:44 - Aug 25 with 7363 views | SitfcB |
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| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 19:58 - Aug 25 with 366 views | Herbivore |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 19:56 - Aug 25 by Mach_foreignBlue |
You finished or are you going to keep nagging? |
Not nagging, just somewhat in awe of the complete absence of even the merest hint of self-awareness. Enjoy your evening, mate. |  |
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| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 20:00 - Aug 25 with 359 views | timothyeo |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 19:50 - Aug 25 by Mach_foreignBlue |
First I'm not your mate. And second you certainly need it due to your deep psychological problems.
Non stop nagging and seeking arguments when anyone else holds the different view.
As I have said you must be the joy to be with during the parties. You'd even find an argument in the empty room. |
You probably just need to admit you're wrong here and move on.
For what its worth, Knudsen was and is a good player and we've not signed anyone even relatively close to his ability since.
Hurst and Lambert ruined any chance we had of keeping him, which is one in a long list of failures from those two. |  | | |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 20:01 - Aug 25 with 354 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 19:58 - Aug 25 by Herbivore |
Not nagging, just somewhat in awe of the complete absence of even the merest hint of self-awareness. Enjoy your evening, mate. |
Not nagging anymore? Good luck in regard to finding new argument with someone else. I'm sure you'll easily find it. |  | | |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 20:26 - Aug 25 with 328 views | WicklowBlue |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 17:44 - Aug 25 by PhilTWTD |
I think there is obviously something in that, hence Paul Cook clearing the decks this summer. |
Going to reply to Phil so I'm not seen as agreeing or disagreeing with other posters.
In my opinion all the proceeding discussion is simply too black and white and focused on individuals. Whether it's players downed tools or lost belief etc.
For me this all stems from top level disengagement and proper transition planing. I'd hope we can all concede that MM is a great man manager who gave the squad a plan and belief in what he was doing when he joined us. MM built out the squad but as always in footie and generally in management roles your time comes to an end.
So MM quite rightly departed leaving his team behind. We brought in Hurst with a completely different management style, immediately we saw some of our top players depart most likely leaving the rest of the squad unsettled. Hurst ruffled feathers and went too hard in terms of what he demanded from the previous regime. That would have caused friction along with players seeing less established quality being brought in again undermining overall confidence ultimately leading to a changing room revolt leading to Hurst's Departure.
Then PL came in and while from the outset was positive and engaging with supporters ultimately as per Bialkowski didn't get the players believing in the goal of avoiding relegation.
So I would say all of this lies at the door of Mr. Evans and his choice of leaders (managers), MM more a collaborative manager building relationships with his players, Hurst an authoritarian style and PL a laissez faire style who tries to appease everyone.
If Evans had hired someone with a collaborative management approach post MM to drive a playing style, strong squad additions and identified those who didn't fit the vision and moved them on then we wouldn't be where we are.
Ultimately everyone involved in ITFC over the past 5 years share the blame of where we are but the buck stops with Evans as the owner. No wonder Cook had to wield the axe...we were completely broken. |  | | |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 20:39 - Aug 25 with 307 views | gtsb1966 |
Knudsen is an ok footballer for the league level he plays at. Yes he has a handful of international caps but if you look at the level of club football he has played at it says it all really. |  | | |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 20:45 - Aug 25 with 298 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 19:45 - Aug 25 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Amazing how amazingly desperate you are that you interprete the same thing completely differently.. Lets use the different example. If I'd said that Cook promised us an 'earthquake' regarding the playing staff this summer you'd deny it and said that my interpretation was different. You'd have said that he promised us changes.
Or if at my work I'd accept defeat as to doing something then my employer would ask me: 'are you the downing the tools and refusing to do your job'?
Nothing was misinterpreted. The players downed the tools and accepted relegation.
This is your own interpretation and how you grasp it. 2 months ago you even tried to argue with Phil over some issue. He embarrassed you and said something about your grumpiness. After that you had disappeared and escaped like a rat for 10-14 days. When you returned you didn't show an ounce of decency and apologize for your behaviour.
Non stop nagging. Non stop grumpy. Non stop seeking arguments. You must be the joy to be with during the parties. |
Mach, downing tools and accepting defeat are two completely different things.
If I am asked to go and teach a class of Year 7 students science and I tell my head teacher that they are not a pleasant class and I am not going to teach them and if you send me in there I will simply sit at my desk and let them throw stuff around then I would be downing tools.
If the head teacher told me that there was a Year 11 class needed me to go and teach them how to pass their music GCSE exam and I went in there, looked on the internet and tried to explain it to them the best I can, it would not be unreasonable for me to think "I am never going to help them here. I need more help than I have here."
What Bart described was much more the latter case. In fact didn't Lambert repeatedly say things like "we need a wee bit of help"? Although Bart is saying Lambert said he believed it possible, I am not sure he communicated that convincingly. The players clearly did not believe they were capable of the task. That does not mean they did not try.
Under Cook last season, he seems to have accused players of not putting the effort in but that is not Bart and Knudsen as they had left long before. There may also have been a deliberate player revolt against Hurst. If so, there is no evidence that Knudsen played any part in it unless you know otherwise. Indeed Bart's comments would suggest it was a lack of belief rather than a deliberate decision to oust the manager. |  |
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