| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) 08:44 - Aug 25 with 7362 views | SitfcB |
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| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 16:37 - Aug 25 with 1383 views | Mullet |
I wonder if adding this to his WC exploits makes as, or more successful than Mings and his England/ Villa captaincy achievements.
Either way with Moore looking at a big move this window Mick once again shows he knows a player. Not everyone can say that eh? |  |
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| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 16:41 - Aug 25 with 1373 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 16:14 - Aug 25 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Bialkowski said that about the team in one his final interviews. Moreover he said that Lambert had been the person who was probably most optimistic about our survival chances. |
"about the team".
Presumably the team that Knudsen had been dropped from.
Hmmm. |  |
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| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 16:42 - Aug 25 with 1368 views | PhilTWTD |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 15:15 - Aug 25 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Yes. His performances for example.
Moreover Lambert was forced to look for a loan left back in Jan window because there was a reason for that.
He did relegate us along with the rest of that hopeless mob. [Post edited 25 Aug 2021 15:20]
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Was more the other way around, I think. Lambert wouldn't play Jonas as he wouldn't sign a contract, which was understandable as it wouldn't have helped his international aspirations if we were in League One.
I don't for a minute think Jonas downed tools, would have been very out of character. What he said re Mick was somewhat misconstrued.
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| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 16:45 - Aug 25 with 1362 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 16:24 - Aug 25 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Interestingly, to give some idea of how poor Knudsen's attitude was and how much it affected the team:
He was dropped to the bench (and did not feature for two games) before being dropped entirely on 29th December. Without him in the side we lost 5 matches and won one (vs Rotherham who were 21st). On his return to the side, we lost 1 and drew 3. He got sent off in the 3rd of those draws and we lost the match he was suspended for (Reading 21st in the league). We drew with West Brom (4th place) on his return before he was dropped again for an ineffective run-in.
The evidence is that we were worse with him out of the side. That does not look like a player who had downed tools and whose attitude stunk. Knudsen sent a message thanking fans for their support when he left. I am quite sure that he would have considered signing a contract for us if we were a team in the top half of the Championship. Both Hurst and Lambert managed him out of the club not the other way round. |
We're very selective in regard to particular players. For the good number of people it's all about who signed particular player.
You're saying that we were worse with him out of the side. I'll give you the different example very much the related to last season. We were worse with Nsiala out of the side. Both him and Wilson kept our defence tight on the number of occassions last season. The evidence is there that is results and clean sheets. Today though some people still keep slating Nsiala and scrutinising him for every poor kick/mistake whilst other players have been getting away with their mistakes and getting much lesser criticism.
As for Hurst and Lambert managing Knudsen out of the club. What evidence have you got? He wasn't the same player ever since that press conference. Moreover some of the players who had been with Hurst and Lambert were still with us until Cook got rid of them. Number of our fans wasn't happy with the disastrous start of Cook's era. Don't you think that something is quite strange? THREE managers and some players didn't like to work with them/play for them. Perhaps it's players that were the bigger problem for this club rather than managers. [Post edited 25 Aug 2021 16:46]
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| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 16:48 - Aug 25 with 1355 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 16:42 - Aug 25 by PhilTWTD |
Was more the other way around, I think. Lambert wouldn't play Jonas as he wouldn't sign a contract, which was understandable as it wouldn't have helped his international aspirations if we were in League One.
I don't for a minute think Jonas downed tools, would have been very out of character. What he said re Mick was somewhat misconstrued.
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Cheers for that.
It's really ridiculous though that for the number of people it's only the managers that get 100% blame for all ITFC wrong-doings in the last few years whereas the players have been treated very lightly. | | | |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 16:54 - Aug 25 with 1350 views | Herbivore |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 16:08 - Aug 25 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Yes he said they had given up and downed the tools.
What evidence you've got that his attitude was fine then?
Your obsession with anyone/anything related to mccarthy is quite bizarre but that bunch of losers got us relegated without a fight. |
He didn't say they downed tools. He said they didn't really believe they could stay up. That's not the same thing. You really should stop making stuff up to try to back up your point.
As for your last paragraph, my irony meter is in bits over here. |  |
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| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 16:56 - Aug 25 with 1344 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 16:48 - Aug 25 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Cheers for that.
It's really ridiculous though that for the number of people it's only the managers that get 100% blame for all ITFC wrong-doings in the last few years whereas the players have been treated very lightly. |
Except, as Phil has pointed out, you are being completely misrepresentative and unfair on Knudsen for no reason. Because some posters may not be able to see beyond the manager (who should ultimately carry the can anyway), it doesn't excuse making stuff up about an individual player. | |
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| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 16:57 - Aug 25 with 1341 views | Herbivore |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 16:14 - Aug 25 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Bialkowski said that about the team in one his final interviews. Moreover he said that Lambert had been the person who was probably most optimistic about our survival chances. |
Bialkowski never said the players downed tools. I don't know why you keep insisting that he did. That's your interpretation of his saying there was no belief from the squad that they could stay up. | |
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| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 16:59 - Aug 25 with 1331 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 16:45 - Aug 25 by Mach_foreignBlue |
We're very selective in regard to particular players. For the good number of people it's all about who signed particular player.
You're saying that we were worse with him out of the side. I'll give you the different example very much the related to last season. We were worse with Nsiala out of the side. Both him and Wilson kept our defence tight on the number of occassions last season. The evidence is there that is results and clean sheets. Today though some people still keep slating Nsiala and scrutinising him for every poor kick/mistake whilst other players have been getting away with their mistakes and getting much lesser criticism.
As for Hurst and Lambert managing Knudsen out of the club. What evidence have you got? He wasn't the same player ever since that press conference. Moreover some of the players who had been with Hurst and Lambert were still with us until Cook got rid of them. Number of our fans wasn't happy with the disastrous start of Cook's era. Don't you think that something is quite strange? THREE managers and some players didn't like to work with them/play for them. Perhaps it's players that were the bigger problem for this club rather than managers. [Post edited 25 Aug 2021 16:46]
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Yes, it’s everyone else that is basing their opinion of players based on who signed them, that’ll definitely be it |  |
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| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 17:02 - Aug 25 with 1315 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 16:54 - Aug 25 by Herbivore |
He didn't say they downed tools. He said they didn't really believe they could stay up. That's not the same thing. You really should stop making stuff up to try to back up your point.
As for your last paragraph, my irony meter is in bits over here. |
I'm not making my stuff up. This is exactly what I saw in one of his interviews a while ago. So don't tell me what I should do. You are very well known on here for twisting peoples views and putting the words in their mouth they didn't say so watch yourself before lecturing others. I'm not asking you to believe me as to what I read. I'm only saying what it was.
You're itching for 10 pages of arguments as you're addicted to arguing so lets better stop it. | | | |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 17:11 - Aug 25 with 1292 views | Churchman |
I first saw Knudson in pre season game and thought he was going to be decent for us. Heck of a shot in him, good long throw knew a tackle and seemed to be whole hearted/brave. A proper defender. Ok, the long throws seemed to cost more goals by way of counter attack and he never got the chance to shoot. How much was that him or that he wasn’t used to best advantage? I don’t know.
He was never the player I thought he was going to be and was certainly no Cresswell or Mings. His positional sense wasn’t the best, but he wasn’t the worst defender to ever play for this club in my view. I was saddened when he became ‘the target’ for what I thought was OTT criticism by some on here and plenty in the ground. |  | | |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 17:11 - Aug 25 with 1288 views | Herbivore |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 17:02 - Aug 25 by Mach_foreignBlue |
I'm not making my stuff up. This is exactly what I saw in one of his interviews a while ago. So don't tell me what I should do. You are very well known on here for twisting peoples views and putting the words in their mouth they didn't say so watch yourself before lecturing others. I'm not asking you to believe me as to what I read. I'm only saying what it was.
You're itching for 10 pages of arguments as you're addicted to arguing so lets better stop it. |
Can you link me to the article where he said that the players downed tools? I've had a look back at his interviews about him leaving Town and I can't find that quote anywhere. Given that you've repeated that alleged quote many, many times to slate certain players I'd like to see where you've got it from, as far as I can tell the quote doesn't exist. I'm not itching for an argument, I'd just like you to actually back up your arguments with facts rather than feelings for a change. | |
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| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 17:18 - Aug 25 with 1268 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 17:11 - Aug 25 by Herbivore |
Can you link me to the article where he said that the players downed tools? I've had a look back at his interviews about him leaving Town and I can't find that quote anywhere. Given that you've repeated that alleged quote many, many times to slate certain players I'd like to see where you've got it from, as far as I can tell the quote doesn't exist. I'm not itching for an argument, I'd just like you to actually back up your arguments with facts rather than feelings for a change. |
'I'd just like you to actually back up your arguments with facts rather than feelings for a change'.......does it really come from you? That's a hypocrisy to put it politely.
There was an interview in which he said things you were also talking about that lack of belief and something else. And he said that the players had accepted relegation somewhere in October/November. And now try telling me that accepting relegation and downing tools are the diiferent things. | | | |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 17:22 - Aug 25 with 1253 views | ArnieM |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 17:11 - Aug 25 by Churchman |
I first saw Knudson in pre season game and thought he was going to be decent for us. Heck of a shot in him, good long throw knew a tackle and seemed to be whole hearted/brave. A proper defender. Ok, the long throws seemed to cost more goals by way of counter attack and he never got the chance to shoot. How much was that him or that he wasn’t used to best advantage? I don’t know.
He was never the player I thought he was going to be and was certainly no Cresswell or Mings. His positional sense wasn’t the best, but he wasn’t the worst defender to ever play for this club in my view. I was saddened when he became ‘the target’ for what I thought was OTT criticism by some on here and plenty in the ground. |
I actually really backed him when he first joined us … kept waiting for him to develop/ emerge etc , once he’d settled into the English game, but it never materialised . Many were on his back from the moment he joined ( how unlike Town fans eh !)..,, but what really turned against him was his attitude and comments on his return from the World Cup , where like Bart , he suddenly felt he was too big for this Club. His comments during the McCarthy fiasco also annoyed me. So as far as I’m concerned it’s now a case of …..” who”? |  |
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| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 17:27 - Aug 25 with 1243 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 17:18 - Aug 25 by Mach_foreignBlue |
'I'd just like you to actually back up your arguments with facts rather than feelings for a change'.......does it really come from you? That's a hypocrisy to put it politely.
There was an interview in which he said things you were also talking about that lack of belief and something else. And he said that the players had accepted relegation somewhere in October/November. And now try telling me that accepting relegation and downing tools are the diiferent things. |
They are different things though. Especially when you reference the full quotes:
“The majority of us I think had accepted the relegation way too early, maybe in October or November. You could see it.
"There was no spark, even in training and no belief that we could do it. It was hard for Paul Lambert to do something.
"I think he still believed we could do it. We were trying to believe it and we were trying to be positive, anything to get a first win under him and then a second one. Maybe after that the momentum could take us somewhere but it wasn't to be.”
So actually, he quite literally says the team were trying, they just didn’t have the belief. Or in other words what Herbivore posted
Lots of other relevant parts in the full interview ( https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/big-ipswich-town-interview-bartosz-bialkowski-26391 too, about how they knew the squad had been weakened and lacked firepower to get back into games, etc | |
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| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 17:42 - Aug 25 with 1226 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 17:27 - Aug 25 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
They are different things though. Especially when you reference the full quotes:
“The majority of us I think had accepted the relegation way too early, maybe in October or November. You could see it.
"There was no spark, even in training and no belief that we could do it. It was hard for Paul Lambert to do something.
"I think he still believed we could do it. We were trying to believe it and we were trying to be positive, anything to get a first win under him and then a second one. Maybe after that the momentum could take us somewhere but it wasn't to be.”
So actually, he quite literally says the team were trying, they just didn’t have the belief. Or in other words what Herbivore posted
Lots of other relevant parts in the full interview ( https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/big-ipswich-town-interview-bartosz-bialkowski-26391 too, about how they knew the squad had been weakened and lacked firepower to get back into games, etc |
It's not a different thing. They could have shown some desire and drive to try to survive but they didn't. They settled for easy paydays. And to make it utterly bizarre they got clapped and cheered following the relegation.
Lambert would kick and head every ball during his early stages with the team. He seemed quite enthusiastic. But again the team downed the tools and they weren't bothered. | | | |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 17:44 - Aug 25 with 1222 views | PhilTWTD |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 16:48 - Aug 25 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Cheers for that.
It's really ridiculous though that for the number of people it's only the managers that get 100% blame for all ITFC wrong-doings in the last few years whereas the players have been treated very lightly. |
I think there is obviously something in that, hence Paul Cook clearing the decks this summer. | | | |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 17:48 - Aug 25 with 1218 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 17:44 - Aug 25 by PhilTWTD |
I think there is obviously something in that, hence Paul Cook clearing the decks this summer. |
Thank you very much for that. Of course there must be something in that. Cook saw them every day and must have said: 'enough is enough this culture has to stop'. | | | |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 18:12 - Aug 25 with 1199 views | Herbivore |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 17:42 - Aug 25 by Mach_foreignBlue |
It's not a different thing. They could have shown some desire and drive to try to survive but they didn't. They settled for easy paydays. And to make it utterly bizarre they got clapped and cheered following the relegation.
Lambert would kick and head every ball during his early stages with the team. He seemed quite enthusiastic. But again the team downed the tools and they weren't bothered. |
Amazing that even after being shown the full interview and context you can't hold your hands up and admit you'd misrepresented what he said. | |
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| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 19:40 - Aug 25 with 1143 views | tractordownsouth |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 08:50 - Aug 25 by Herbivore |
Knudsen suffered from following Mings and Cresswell. At some point our run of signing future England internationals to play left back in the second tier was always going to come to an end. A Danish international was a more than adequate option there but because he wasn't as good as his predecessors he got pelters. |
Basically this. His first season he struggled a lot after we’d been spoilt with Mings and Cresswell but after that he was one of our most consistent players. He wouldn’t have had so many suitors at the top end of the championship if he was rubbish. |  |
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| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 19:45 - Aug 25 with 1125 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 18:12 - Aug 25 by Herbivore |
Amazing that even after being shown the full interview and context you can't hold your hands up and admit you'd misrepresented what he said. |
Amazing how amazingly desperate you are that you interprete the same thing completely differently.. Lets use the different example. If I'd said that Cook promised us an 'earthquake' regarding the playing staff this summer you'd deny it and said that my interpretation was different. You'd have said that he promised us changes.
Or if at my work I'd accept defeat as to doing something then my employer would ask me: 'are you the downing the tools and refusing to do your job'?
Nothing was misinterpreted. The players downed the tools and accepted relegation.
This is your own interpretation and how you grasp it. 2 months ago you even tried to argue with Phil over some issue. He embarrassed you and said something about your grumpiness. After that you had disappeared and escaped like a rat for 10-14 days. When you returned you didn't show an ounce of decency and apologize for your behaviour.
Non stop nagging. Non stop grumpy. Non stop seeking arguments. You must be the joy to be with during the parties. | | | |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 19:46 - Aug 25 with 1121 views | Herbivore |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 19:45 - Aug 25 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Amazing how amazingly desperate you are that you interprete the same thing completely differently.. Lets use the different example. If I'd said that Cook promised us an 'earthquake' regarding the playing staff this summer you'd deny it and said that my interpretation was different. You'd have said that he promised us changes.
Or if at my work I'd accept defeat as to doing something then my employer would ask me: 'are you the downing the tools and refusing to do your job'?
Nothing was misinterpreted. The players downed the tools and accepted relegation.
This is your own interpretation and how you grasp it. 2 months ago you even tried to argue with Phil over some issue. He embarrassed you and said something about your grumpiness. After that you had disappeared and escaped like a rat for 10-14 days. When you returned you didn't show an ounce of decency and apologize for your behaviour.
Non stop nagging. Non stop grumpy. Non stop seeking arguments. You must be the joy to be with during the parties. |
I think you need to seek help, mate. | |
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| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 19:50 - Aug 25 with 1115 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 19:46 - Aug 25 by Herbivore |
I think you need to seek help, mate. |
First I'm not your mate. And second you certainly need it due to your deep psychological problems.
Non stop nagging and seeking arguments when anyone else holds the different view.
As I have said you must be the joy to be with during the parties. You'd even find an argument in the empty room. | | | |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 19:54 - Aug 25 with 1105 views | Herbivore |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 19:50 - Aug 25 by Mach_foreignBlue |
First I'm not your mate. And second you certainly need it due to your deep psychological problems.
Non stop nagging and seeking arguments when anyone else holds the different view.
As I have said you must be the joy to be with during the parties. You'd even find an argument in the empty room. |
Yeah, I'm definitely the issue here, mate. | |
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| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 19:56 - Aug 25 with 1100 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 19:54 - Aug 25 by Herbivore |
Yeah, I'm definitely the issue here, mate. |
You finished or are you going to keep nagging? | | | |
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