| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) 08:44 - Aug 25 with 7368 views | SitfcB |
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| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 12:04 - Aug 25 with 1852 views | Herbivore |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 11:04 - Aug 25 by Mach_foreignBlue |
I'm not talking about his entire time with us. Everything what happened in the relegation season has been my main subject. |
The season in which we didn't speak to him about a new contract until 6 months before his deal was due to expire despite him being one of our few proven Championship players? |  |
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| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 12:19 - Aug 25 with 1808 views | Bluefish |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 12:04 - Aug 25 by Herbivore |
The season in which we didn't speak to him about a new contract until 6 months before his deal was due to expire despite him being one of our few proven Championship players? |
Someone please do the right thing and throw the towel in on behalf of mach. He isn't capable of putting up a defence and this will get messy |  |
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| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 13:03 - Aug 25 with 1786 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 12:04 - Aug 25 by Herbivore |
The season in which we didn't speak to him about a new contract until 6 months before his deal was due to expire despite him being one of our few proven Championship players? |
He was still paid by the club so there is no excuse for such bad performances he had and bad attitude. In 'fairness' though others lost their interest too. Add to thid an inability of two awful managers so no wonder it all ended up disastrously. |  | | |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 13:04 - Aug 25 with 1784 views | Herbivore |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 13:03 - Aug 25 by Mach_foreignBlue |
He was still paid by the club so there is no excuse for such bad performances he had and bad attitude. In 'fairness' though others lost their interest too. Add to thid an inability of two awful managers so no wonder it all ended up disastrously. |
I don't agree regarding his attitude. He always seemed to be a good pro. Mick generally signed good pros. | |
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| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 13:24 - Aug 25 with 1751 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 13:04 - Aug 25 by Herbivore |
I don't agree regarding his attitude. He always seemed to be a good pro. Mick generally signed good pros. |
A complete opposite of what you are saying in regard to what happened during the relegation season. That applies to the rest of them too. | | | |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 13:32 - Aug 25 with 1735 views | Herbivore |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 13:24 - Aug 25 by Mach_foreignBlue |
A complete opposite of what you are saying in regard to what happened during the relegation season. That applies to the rest of them too. |
Disagree. | |
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| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 13:35 - Aug 25 with 1728 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 13:24 - Aug 25 by Mach_foreignBlue |
A complete opposite of what you are saying in regard to what happened during the relegation season. That applies to the rest of them too. |
Do you have any examples of him having a bad attitude, other than just not agreeing to a new contract? |  |
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| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 13:39 - Aug 25 with 1718 views | SouperJim |
Just casually drop that subject line and watch the mayhem, I see what you've done here.
He was ok. Thought his ambition never really matched his performances for us, but then as others have said he did follow two future England internationals, so maybe my perspective was a bit skewed.
He's one of those players folk love to drag up on here to create an argument. He was a bit of a big time charlie, but good luck to him. |  |
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| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 13:49 - Aug 25 with 1699 views | Herbivore |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 13:39 - Aug 25 by SouperJim |
Just casually drop that subject line and watch the mayhem, I see what you've done here.
He was ok. Thought his ambition never really matched his performances for us, but then as others have said he did follow two future England internationals, so maybe my perspective was a bit skewed.
He's one of those players folk love to drag up on here to create an argument. He was a bit of a big time charlie, but good luck to him. |
A big time Charlie? WTF? | |
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| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 14:26 - Aug 25 with 1649 views | SouperJim |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 13:49 - Aug 25 by Herbivore |
A big time Charlie? WTF? |
Wanted away to bigger things before his performances had earned it, in my humble opinion. Didn't we stop playing him for the last few months of his contract because he was forcing a move? Can't remember the exact circumstances, I'm sure you'll set me right. | |
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| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 14:39 - Aug 25 with 1636 views | jayessess |
Weird what kind of players start a row round here. Knudsen was fine, nothing more, nothing less. If his final year and departure hadn't coincided with us utterly tanking (and all the attendant recriminations), he'd get as many mentions as Jonny Parr. [Post edited 25 Aug 2021 14:40]
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| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 15:06 - Aug 25 with 1617 views | Herbivore |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 14:26 - Aug 25 by SouperJim |
Wanted away to bigger things before his performances had earned it, in my humble opinion. Didn't we stop playing him for the last few months of his contract because he was forcing a move? Can't remember the exact circumstances, I'm sure you'll set me right. |
He didn't want away to bigger things. He came back from the World Cup the summer before his deal was up and rather than us sensibly looking to offer him new terms - as we did with Bart - Hurst made a big show about him having to earn it, despite him having done a good job for 3 years already in a Town shirt. By the time Lambert arrived we'd still not offered him terms and by then we looked pretty doomed. I doubt any of us at that stage with an international career to think about would have entertained singing a new deal with a League 1 bound club that hadn't showed much interest in keeping us. He didn't want away, we let him drift away. | |
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| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 15:15 - Aug 25 with 1594 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 13:35 - Aug 25 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Do you have any examples of him having a bad attitude, other than just not agreeing to a new contract? |
Yes. His performances for example.
Moreover Lambert was forced to look for a loan left back in Jan window because there was a reason for that.
He did relegate us along with the rest of that hopeless mob. [Post edited 25 Aug 2021 15:20]
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 15:25 - Aug 25 with 1576 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 15:06 - Aug 25 by Herbivore |
He didn't want away to bigger things. He came back from the World Cup the summer before his deal was up and rather than us sensibly looking to offer him new terms - as we did with Bart - Hurst made a big show about him having to earn it, despite him having done a good job for 3 years already in a Town shirt. By the time Lambert arrived we'd still not offered him terms and by then we looked pretty doomed. I doubt any of us at that stage with an international career to think about would have entertained singing a new deal with a League 1 bound club that hadn't showed much interest in keeping us. He didn't want away, we let him drift away. |
Lost connection but I had written something about how Hurst's management of both Bialkowski and Knudsen was awful. It clearly was not their attitude before or after and yet Hurst really got the worst out of both of them.
To suggest that either of them left or put in poor performances because their attitude was wrong really does not bear the weight of evidence. [Post edited 25 Aug 2021 15:27]
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| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 15:28 - Aug 25 with 1566 views | Herbivore |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 15:15 - Aug 25 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Yes. His performances for example.
Moreover Lambert was forced to look for a loan left back in Jan window because there was a reason for that.
He did relegate us along with the rest of that hopeless mob. [Post edited 25 Aug 2021 15:20]
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His performances are evidence that he had a bad attitude? | |
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| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 15:36 - Aug 25 with 1552 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 15:28 - Aug 25 by Herbivore |
His performances are evidence that he had a bad attitude? |
I know you're trying your best to defend him but he kept sulking throughout the season and I don't need to copy any other aforementioned factors from my previous posts.
He was a disgrace so was the rest of the team who downed the tools. | | | |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 15:51 - Aug 25 with 1523 views | Herbivore |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 15:36 - Aug 25 by Mach_foreignBlue |
I know you're trying your best to defend him but he kept sulking throughout the season and I don't need to copy any other aforementioned factors from my previous posts.
He was a disgrace so was the rest of the team who downed the tools. |
What evidence do you have that he was sulking? Poor performances don't mean he had a bad attitude. That team was utterly bereft of confidence and ability, that doesn't mean they had poor attitudes. I think we all know where these views are coming from but they don't really stand up to much scrutiny. | |
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| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 15:57 - Aug 25 with 1518 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 15:51 - Aug 25 by Herbivore |
What evidence do you have that he was sulking? Poor performances don't mean he had a bad attitude. That team was utterly bereft of confidence and ability, that doesn't mean they had poor attitudes. I think we all know where these views are coming from but they don't really stand up to much scrutiny. |
I've already told you. He had been sulking ever since that 'famous' press conference as he seemed a completely different player.
'That team was utterly bereft of confidence and ability'........they got what they wanted FFS ! They wanted Evans to sack Hurst, it happened and they still lacked a drive and desire. Even Bialkowski in his interview said that Lambert seemed optimistic about our survival chances but the team downed the tools.
Each player from that team ought to have been kicked out of the club following that spineless relegation. But they got clapped and cheered. Blaming managers 100% is the easiest option for some. | | | |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 16:02 - Aug 25 with 1514 views | Herbivore |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 15:57 - Aug 25 by Mach_foreignBlue |
I've already told you. He had been sulking ever since that 'famous' press conference as he seemed a completely different player.
'That team was utterly bereft of confidence and ability'........they got what they wanted FFS ! They wanted Evans to sack Hurst, it happened and they still lacked a drive and desire. Even Bialkowski in his interview said that Lambert seemed optimistic about our survival chances but the team downed the tools.
Each player from that team ought to have been kicked out of the club following that spineless relegation. But they got clapped and cheered. Blaming managers 100% is the easiest option for some. |
He didn't say they downed tools, that's how you've rewritten it. He said they lacked belief they could stay up, which is quite a different thing. Knudsen didn't sulk, again that's you making stuff up to suit your narrative. This is all really bizarre to be honest. | |
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| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 16:08 - Aug 25 with 1496 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 16:02 - Aug 25 by Herbivore |
He didn't say they downed tools, that's how you've rewritten it. He said they lacked belief they could stay up, which is quite a different thing. Knudsen didn't sulk, again that's you making stuff up to suit your narrative. This is all really bizarre to be honest. |
Yes he said they had given up and downed the tools.
What evidence you've got that his attitude was fine then?
Your obsession with anyone/anything related to mccarthy is quite bizarre but that bunch of losers got us relegated without a fight. | | | |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 16:13 - Aug 25 with 1544 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 15:15 - Aug 25 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Yes. His performances for example.
Moreover Lambert was forced to look for a loan left back in Jan window because there was a reason for that.
He did relegate us along with the rest of that hopeless mob. [Post edited 25 Aug 2021 15:20]
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His performances weren’t great but the whole squad was atrocious - very odd to single him out on that one
As for bringing in Elder, Knudsen had indicated he wasn’t going to sign a new deal so Lambert made a big song and dance about how he wasn’t going to play someone that wasn’t going to be at the club beyond the end of the season. Before laughably bringing in a loan to replace him, and then putting Knudsen back in the side anyway when Elder turned out to be cack
No idea how any of that indicates Knudsen had a bad attitude? 🤷ðŸ»â€â™‚ï¸ | |
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| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 16:13 - Aug 25 with 1543 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 16:08 - Aug 25 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Yes he said they had given up and downed the tools.
What evidence you've got that his attitude was fine then?
Your obsession with anyone/anything related to mccarthy is quite bizarre but that bunch of losers got us relegated without a fight. |
Who said that Knudsen and Bialkowski had downed tools? This appears like a narrative you have chosen rather than any that Hurst gave. | |
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| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 16:14 - Aug 25 with 1538 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 16:13 - Aug 25 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Who said that Knudsen and Bialkowski had downed tools? This appears like a narrative you have chosen rather than any that Hurst gave. |
Bialkowski said that about the team in one his final interviews. Moreover he said that Lambert had been the person who was probably most optimistic about our survival chances. | | | |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 16:24 - Aug 25 with 1515 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 16:13 - Aug 25 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
His performances weren’t great but the whole squad was atrocious - very odd to single him out on that one
As for bringing in Elder, Knudsen had indicated he wasn’t going to sign a new deal so Lambert made a big song and dance about how he wasn’t going to play someone that wasn’t going to be at the club beyond the end of the season. Before laughably bringing in a loan to replace him, and then putting Knudsen back in the side anyway when Elder turned out to be cack
No idea how any of that indicates Knudsen had a bad attitude? 🤷ðŸ»â€â™‚ï¸ |
Interestingly, to give some idea of how poor Knudsen's attitude was and how much it affected the team:
He was dropped to the bench (and did not feature for two games) before being dropped entirely on 29th December. Without him in the side we lost 5 matches and won one (vs Rotherham who were 21st). On his return to the side, we lost 1 and drew 3. He got sent off in the 3rd of those draws and we lost the match he was suspended for (Reading 21st in the league). We drew with West Brom (4th place) on his return before he was dropped again for an ineffective run-in.
The evidence is that we were worse with him out of the side. That does not look like a player who had downed tools and whose attitude stunk. Knudsen sent a message thanking fans for their support when he left. I am quite sure that he would have considered signing a contract for us if we were a team in the top half of the Championship. Both Hurst and Lambert managed him out of the club not the other way round. | |
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| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 16:30 - Aug 25 with 1495 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Jonas Knudsen in the Champions League (n/t) on 16:24 - Aug 25 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Interestingly, to give some idea of how poor Knudsen's attitude was and how much it affected the team:
He was dropped to the bench (and did not feature for two games) before being dropped entirely on 29th December. Without him in the side we lost 5 matches and won one (vs Rotherham who were 21st). On his return to the side, we lost 1 and drew 3. He got sent off in the 3rd of those draws and we lost the match he was suspended for (Reading 21st in the league). We drew with West Brom (4th place) on his return before he was dropped again for an ineffective run-in.
The evidence is that we were worse with him out of the side. That does not look like a player who had downed tools and whose attitude stunk. Knudsen sent a message thanking fans for their support when he left. I am quite sure that he would have considered signing a contract for us if we were a team in the top half of the Championship. Both Hurst and Lambert managed him out of the club not the other way round. |
Indeed. But McCarthy signed him and he said some nice things about him, so boooooooo | |
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