| Starmer.... 09:45 - Sep 26 with 10274 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
#waffle
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| Starmer.... on 19:25 - Sep 27 with 1515 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Starmer.... on 09:54 - Sep 26 by GlasgowBlue |
Did you draw the short straw and get the Sunday morning shift to moan about Starmer, with koonters taking over at lunchtime? [Post edited 26 Sep 2021 9:56]
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That you are so comfortable with him should tell people all they need to know. | |
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| So if we think Starmer waffles what word would use for Boris? (n/t) on 19:27 - Sep 27 with 1514 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| So if we think Starmer waffles what word would use for Boris? (n/t) on 19:14 - Sep 27 by Darth_Koont |
Oof!
Emperor’s New Labour.
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Obviously once they get voted in all the good stuff will come!! Lol | |
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| So if we think Starmer waffles what word would use for Boris? (n/t) on 19:31 - Sep 27 with 1506 views | lowhouseblue |
| So if we think Starmer waffles what word would use for Boris? (n/t) on 19:14 - Sep 27 by Darth_Koont |
Oof!
Emperor’s New Labour.
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he refused to argue for party policy so he would have been sacked if he hadn't resigned. fine. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| So if we think Starmer waffles what word would use for Boris? (n/t) on 19:34 - Sep 27 with 1501 views | Darth_Koont |
Israel needs support. And censure/sanctions.
The two aren’t mutually exclusive.
There were similar arguments back in the 70s and 80s about the threat of the ANC against whites being a reason to prop up the regime and ignore apartheid. But sanctions helped bring the still-dominant whites to the negotiation table and to realise that their position was untenable in the long run. The same needs to happen to the Israeli government and its fiercest supporters.
And of course, in the end, there was no bloodbath. You find that when you take away the oppression there isn’t the energy or desire to go back into a state of turmoil for revenge. People finally start living instead. |  |
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| So if we think Starmer waffles what word would use for Boris? (n/t) on 19:43 - Sep 27 with 1483 views | Darth_Koont |
| So if we think Starmer waffles what word would use for Boris? (n/t) on 19:31 - Sep 27 by lowhouseblue |
he refused to argue for party policy so he would have been sacked if he hadn't resigned. fine. |
Thanks for the party twonk view.
I just like seeing a politician doing his job and caring about the people he’s meant to represent. And finally not putting up with the empty centre-right bullsh/t.
It’s like breathing in deeply on a fresh summer morn. | |
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| So if we think Starmer waffles what word would use for Boris? (n/t) on 20:11 - Sep 27 with 1445 views | tractordownsouth |
| So if we think Starmer waffles what word would use for Boris? (n/t) on 19:07 - Sep 27 by Darth_Koont |
Worth remembering that it was a leadership coup against the interests of the members.
Don’t lose sight of right and wrong, tractors. Party politics, particularly within Labour, seems to justify a completely different standard of morality.
I’m not holding out for anything major from the Forde Report but maybe it can be a start. There needs to be some recognition that this isn’t appropriate behaviour for a democratic party that’s meant to represent Labour members and the wider UK population. |
If the leader loses the confidence of 80% of those working under him on a daily basis, regardless of party faction, he should go. It's the same in any work place - if Paul Cook lost 80% of the players support, he wouldn't be able to continue effectively.
As for Andy McDonald's resignation, I'm with him on the SSP policy. Can't say I'm on board with the £15 minimum wage though - it needs to go up but sticking to £10 for now and then updating it to account for inflation at the next election would be both progressive and economically credible. Businesses shouldn't operate if they can't afford to pay staff a living wage but £15 minimum at this stage isn't feasible. |  |
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| So if we think Starmer waffles what word would use for Boris? (n/t) on 20:24 - Sep 27 with 1429 views | Darth_Koont |
| So if we think Starmer waffles what word would use for Boris? (n/t) on 20:11 - Sep 27 by tractordownsouth |
If the leader loses the confidence of 80% of those working under him on a daily basis, regardless of party faction, he should go. It's the same in any work place - if Paul Cook lost 80% of the players support, he wouldn't be able to continue effectively.
As for Andy McDonald's resignation, I'm with him on the SSP policy. Can't say I'm on board with the £15 minimum wage though - it needs to go up but sticking to £10 for now and then updating it to account for inflation at the next election would be both progressive and economically credible. Businesses shouldn't operate if they can't afford to pay staff a living wage but £15 minimum at this stage isn't feasible. |
That sounds rather manufactured. Ultimately it’s not up to the MPs and most of them needed to focus on their actual job of representing people and being tools of democracy rather than self-serving tools.
At this stage, Labour doesn’t have the means to introduce any minimum wage. So fight for 15 quid! Move the fecking dial and change the debate rather than trying to be David Cameron.
The bigger picture is that the conversation will soon move on to UBI and a much more sweeping view to be taken on wages and employment. This tinkering around is insane – both electorally and in the real world. | |
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| Starmer.... on 21:21 - Sep 27 with 1387 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Starmer.... on 19:25 - Sep 27 by BanksterDebtSlave |
That you are so comfortable with him should tell people all they need to know. |
After replying to my op at 10.01am yesterday morning, did it take you another 33 hours and 24 minutes to come up up with what you thought was a better reply? Or did you simply forget that you'd already replied to me yesterday? |  |
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| So if we think Starmer waffles what word would use for Boris? (n/t) on 21:23 - Sep 27 with 1381 views | GlasgowBlue |
| So if we think Starmer waffles what word would use for Boris? (n/t) on 20:11 - Sep 27 by tractordownsouth |
If the leader loses the confidence of 80% of those working under him on a daily basis, regardless of party faction, he should go. It's the same in any work place - if Paul Cook lost 80% of the players support, he wouldn't be able to continue effectively.
As for Andy McDonald's resignation, I'm with him on the SSP policy. Can't say I'm on board with the £15 minimum wage though - it needs to go up but sticking to £10 for now and then updating it to account for inflation at the next election would be both progressive and economically credible. Businesses shouldn't operate if they can't afford to pay staff a living wage but £15 minimum at this stage isn't feasible. |
Awkward
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| Starmer.... on 21:44 - Sep 27 with 1348 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Starmer.... on 21:21 - Sep 27 by GlasgowBlue |
After replying to my op at 10.01am yesterday morning, did it take you another 33 hours and 24 minutes to come up up with what you thought was a better reply? Or did you simply forget that you'd already replied to me yesterday? |
I happened to be back on page 1 and checked your merry band of uppie voters so it was more directed at them. | |
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| So if we think Starmer waffles what word would use for Boris? (n/t) on 21:45 - Sep 27 with 1345 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| So if we think Starmer waffles what word would use for Boris? (n/t) on 21:23 - Sep 27 by GlasgowBlue |
Awkward
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Who should be finding what awkward here and why? | |
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| So if we think Starmer waffles what word would use for Boris? (n/t) on 21:46 - Sep 27 with 1344 views | tractordownsouth |
| So if we think Starmer waffles what word would use for Boris? (n/t) on 20:24 - Sep 27 by Darth_Koont |
That sounds rather manufactured. Ultimately it’s not up to the MPs and most of them needed to focus on their actual job of representing people and being tools of democracy rather than self-serving tools.
At this stage, Labour doesn’t have the means to introduce any minimum wage. So fight for 15 quid! Move the fecking dial and change the debate rather than trying to be David Cameron.
The bigger picture is that the conversation will soon move on to UBI and a much more sweeping view to be taken on wages and employment. This tinkering around is insane – both electorally and in the real world. |
I mean they are moving the dial, they’re proposing an increase. As for UBI, I’m yet to be convinced - at first glance, I can’t see why giving millionaires and billionaires state income is progressive. Maybe I’m missing the details, but surely that money is better spent on supporting the disabled or low wage workers. | |
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| So if we think Starmer waffles what word would use for Boris? (n/t) on 21:49 - Sep 27 with 1339 views | tractordownsouth |
| So if we think Starmer waffles what word would use for Boris? (n/t) on 21:23 - Sep 27 by GlasgowBlue |
Awkward
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I’m sure McDonalds are in a position to pay £15 but as a I don’t see how it’s feasible for a small business to do the same. Presumably that will be his excuse when he’s inevitably asked about it but it does come across as a bit of a flip-flop. | |
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| So if we think Starmer waffles what word would use for Boris? (n/t) on 21:58 - Sep 27 with 1326 views | Darth_Koont |
| So if we think Starmer waffles what word would use for Boris? (n/t) on 21:23 - Sep 27 by GlasgowBlue |
Awkward
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Definitely. But nevertheless depressingly standard for the type of politician-manager who thinks it’s about gliding around. | |
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| So if we think Starmer waffles what word would use for Boris? (n/t) on 22:08 - Sep 27 with 1318 views | Darth_Koont |
| So if we think Starmer waffles what word would use for Boris? (n/t) on 21:46 - Sep 27 by tractordownsouth |
I mean they are moving the dial, they’re proposing an increase. As for UBI, I’m yet to be convinced - at first glance, I can’t see why giving millionaires and billionaires state income is progressive. Maybe I’m missing the details, but surely that money is better spent on supporting the disabled or low wage workers. |
We give it to them anyway and much more. And they’re going to be taxed more anyway.
But this is a universal concept – utterly pointless and inefficient to means test it or do you think we should do the same with access to the NHS? Or education?
UBI is ultimately about boosting productivity and the value of human labour. Where the UK is already lagging behind amongst developed countries.
And re: moving the dial, we’re not carefully cracking a safe. We’re announcing to people that these are the standards a modern, developed society should expect. | |
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| Starmer.... on 22:14 - Sep 27 with 1297 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Starmer.... on 21:44 - Sep 27 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I happened to be back on page 1 and checked your merry band of uppie voters so it was more directed at them. |
Here's a couple of things for you and koonters to seethe over tonight
May as well just get Blair and Cameron back  | |
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| So if we think Starmer waffles what word would use for Boris? (n/t) on 22:16 - Sep 27 with 1296 views | lowhouseblue |
| So if we think Starmer waffles what word would use for Boris? (n/t) on 20:24 - Sep 27 by Darth_Koont |
That sounds rather manufactured. Ultimately it’s not up to the MPs and most of them needed to focus on their actual job of representing people and being tools of democracy rather than self-serving tools.
At this stage, Labour doesn’t have the means to introduce any minimum wage. So fight for 15 quid! Move the fecking dial and change the debate rather than trying to be David Cameron.
The bigger picture is that the conversation will soon move on to UBI and a much more sweeping view to be taken on wages and employment. This tinkering around is insane – both electorally and in the real world. |
£15 minimum wage is mad. again he's taken a stance to appeal to part of the membership in a way which is intentionally divisive. he has no interest in communicating with the people the party needs to vote for it. same old, same old. | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Starmer.... on 22:18 - Sep 27 with 1291 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Starmer.... on 22:14 - Sep 27 by GlasgowBlue |
Here's a couple of things for you and koonters to seethe over tonight
May as well just get Blair and Cameron back |
Isn't the status quo a blast when you're sitting pretty! | |
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| Starmer.... on 22:20 - Sep 27 with 1280 views | Darth_Koont |
| Starmer.... on 22:14 - Sep 27 by GlasgowBlue |
Here's a couple of things for you and koonters to seethe over tonight
May as well just get Blair and Cameron back |
I see you’re taking the night shift 😀
Lovely stuff. | |
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| So if we think Starmer waffles what word would use for Boris? (n/t) on 23:24 - Sep 27 with 1194 views | tractordownsouth |
| So if we think Starmer waffles what word would use for Boris? (n/t) on 22:08 - Sep 27 by Darth_Koont |
We give it to them anyway and much more. And they’re going to be taxed more anyway.
But this is a universal concept – utterly pointless and inefficient to means test it or do you think we should do the same with access to the NHS? Or education?
UBI is ultimately about boosting productivity and the value of human labour. Where the UK is already lagging behind amongst developed countries.
And re: moving the dial, we’re not carefully cracking a safe. We’re announcing to people that these are the standards a modern, developed society should expect. |
NHS and education are different though, because privately the costs are astronomical. If UBI does prove to reduce inequality and boost productivity as you say I’d be more than happy for it to happen, I’m just unconvinced at this stage.
The £15 minimum wage is just SCG posturing anyway - the likes of John McDonnell supported a £10 wage as recently as last year, they’re just using this as a dividing line because they’re not happy about the leadership rule changes. I’d love to see the minimum wage go up, even to more than £10 as will likely be needed come the next election. but surely you can see that an increase of over 60% in one jump is unworkable? For all the talk of carefully cracking a safe, you need votes for this to get through and I struggle to see its appeal. | |
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| So if we think Starmer waffles what word would use for Boris? (n/t) on 05:25 - Sep 28 with 1143 views | noggin |
| So if we think Starmer waffles what word would use for Boris? (n/t) on 22:16 - Sep 27 by lowhouseblue |
£15 minimum wage is mad. again he's taken a stance to appeal to part of the membership in a way which is intentionally divisive. he has no interest in communicating with the people the party needs to vote for it. same old, same old. |
Why is it mad? It's what a McDonalds worker, or a shelf stacker, earn here. [Post edited 28 Sep 2021 5:31]
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| So if we think Starmer waffles what word would use for Boris? (n/t) on 08:39 - Sep 28 with 1070 views | lowhouseblue |
| So if we think Starmer waffles what word would use for Boris? (n/t) on 05:25 - Sep 28 by noggin |
Why is it mad? It's what a McDonalds worker, or a shelf stacker, earn here. [Post edited 28 Sep 2021 5:31]
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exactly. it unavoidably implies a whole set of different relative prices at a national level:
https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_price_rankings?itemId=3
it involves the people who buy services and anything which is labour intensive becoming poorer. to think that that scale of change can be made rapidly without huge economic dislocation - unemployment, inflation, bankruptcies - is economically illiterate. [Post edited 28 Sep 2021 8:55]
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| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| So if we think Starmer waffles what word would use for Boris? (n/t) on 09:18 - Sep 28 with 1039 views | CoachRob |
| So if we think Starmer waffles what word would use for Boris? (n/t) on 08:39 - Sep 28 by lowhouseblue |
exactly. it unavoidably implies a whole set of different relative prices at a national level:
https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_price_rankings?itemId=3
it involves the people who buy services and anything which is labour intensive becoming poorer. to think that that scale of change can be made rapidly without huge economic dislocation - unemployment, inflation, bankruptcies - is economically illiterate. [Post edited 28 Sep 2021 8:55]
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This is great! Can you give a run through of your loanable funds model of banking to show how private debt is completely unimportant to the dynamics of the economy and how poor people need not worry about borrowing to survive. |  | | |
| So if we think Starmer waffles what word would use for Boris? (n/t) on 09:23 - Sep 28 with 1031 views | lowhouseblue |
| So if we think Starmer waffles what word would use for Boris? (n/t) on 09:18 - Sep 28 by CoachRob |
This is great! Can you give a run through of your loanable funds model of banking to show how private debt is completely unimportant to the dynamics of the economy and how poor people need not worry about borrowing to survive. |
oh it's the angry fantasy man. go and follow someone else around eh. | |
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