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I can't imagine they'll gift it to them quite as decisively as Corbyn did.
Yeah, Corbyn “gifted” it so much that the establishment (including in his own party) and establishment media went into overdrive making up stuff, sabotaging, launching leadership coups as well as an awful, self-serving breakaway party.
And despite all that, it was still Brexit and Starmer et al driving Labour’s policy, that did the most damage.
Yep, all those who hate feeding hungry children might never vote for them again
People need to take responsibility for feeding their own kids before they go to school. If the parents weren’t watching TV or dealing drugs they’d have time to go to Fortnum & Mason so the kids could have their smoked salmon and crushed avocado bruschetta.
Yeah, Corbyn “gifted” it so much that the establishment (including in his own party) and establishment media went into overdrive making up stuff, sabotaging, launching leadership coups as well as an awful, self-serving breakaway party.
And despite all that, it was still Brexit and Starmer et al driving Labour’s policy, that did the most damage.
These are the grownups now in charge 😀
Yeah, you're right. On reflection nothing about the 2019 defeat that has given us this utter shower of a government has anything at all to do with Corbyn. It's not like he was the leader of the opposition or anything.
Yeah, you're right. On reflection nothing about the 2019 defeat that has given us this utter shower of a government has anything at all to do with Corbyn. It's not like he was the leader of the opposition or anything.
I get why people liked Corbyn, or at least his policies, and I get why those people aren't happy with Starmer to date. I do really struggle though with the absolute refusal to see that Corbyn played a huge part in the defeat to Johnson in 2019.
That he had a plucky loser election against May, who ran possibly the worst election campaign in my lifetime, seems to have swayed them to think that he had a real chance. Johnson was always going to wipe the floor with him - yes, that is in part down to the gullible/easily led make up of a huge part of our population, but our population didn't suddenly change in December 2019.
I was born underwater, I dried out in the sun.
I started humping volcanoes baby, when I was too young.
Yeah, you're right. On reflection nothing about the 2019 defeat that has given us this utter shower of a government has anything at all to do with Corbyn. It's not like he was the leader of the opposition or anything.
No, it had a lot to do with him. He was too easy a target.
Which is why someone like Keir coming along and committing to the radical platform and party unity was so appealing. Unfortunately, that was as true and accurate as a Brexit line on the side of a bus.
He’s left his 10 pledges to announce his 10 plane principles now. I fully expect the next 10 platitudes when these don’t inspire or engage anyone.
He just basicaly put out a 14000 word essay on what he believes and how he would move the country forward just this week.
I know but he was a bit reluctant to say if he supported Nationalisation and to what level....didnt want to write the manifesto on the show etc. But I think he should be more concrete on what he believes right now. Sitting on fences and hedging bets on what the manifesto may look like in 3 years time doesn't cut it for me.
I get why people liked Corbyn, or at least his policies, and I get why those people aren't happy with Starmer to date. I do really struggle though with the absolute refusal to see that Corbyn played a huge part in the defeat to Johnson in 2019.
That he had a plucky loser election against May, who ran possibly the worst election campaign in my lifetime, seems to have swayed them to think that he had a real chance. Johnson was always going to wipe the floor with him - yes, that is in part down to the gullible/easily led make up of a huge part of our population, but our population didn't suddenly change in December 2019.
Many of Corbyn's policies were appealing to me but Corbyn himself was not. He showed a lack of leadership on a number of important issues and had all the political nous and savvy of a house brick. That the cultists still refuse to acknowledge how much of a role he played in how screwed the country is now is bizarre. He was front and centre of the reasons why we've ended up with the worst government in history having a huge majority. I understand that emotionally that's hard for some to take, but that's the reality of it.
Starmer may well not be the answer but I think anyone coming in after the debacle of 2019 was likely to struggle, too many of the so called left of the party are still stuck in 2017 and overcome with bitterness and a desire for recriminations. They aren't all that interested in actually shifting the Tories out of power. That said, Starmer needs to do quite a bit more to win me over. His essay was very Cameronesque.
I get why people liked Corbyn, or at least his policies, and I get why those people aren't happy with Starmer to date. I do really struggle though with the absolute refusal to see that Corbyn played a huge part in the defeat to Johnson in 2019.
That he had a plucky loser election against May, who ran possibly the worst election campaign in my lifetime, seems to have swayed them to think that he had a real chance. Johnson was always going to wipe the floor with him - yes, that is in part down to the gullible/easily led make up of a huge part of our population, but our population didn't suddenly change in December 2019.
Guilt innit. Corbyn was absolute pony as a leader and should never have been in that position.
People need to take responsibility for feeding their own kids before they go to school. If the parents weren’t watching TV or dealing drugs they’d have time to go to Fortnum & Mason so the kids could have their smoked salmon and crushed avocado bruschetta.
Or something.
If only these parents could stay sober for long enough to at least send the nanny to the shop. I suddenly have a craving for a smoked salmon and crushed avocado bruschetta. May be a problem on a wet Sunday afternoon in leitrim
Many of Corbyn's policies were appealing to me but Corbyn himself was not. He showed a lack of leadership on a number of important issues and had all the political nous and savvy of a house brick. That the cultists still refuse to acknowledge how much of a role he played in how screwed the country is now is bizarre. He was front and centre of the reasons why we've ended up with the worst government in history having a huge majority. I understand that emotionally that's hard for some to take, but that's the reality of it.
Starmer may well not be the answer but I think anyone coming in after the debacle of 2019 was likely to struggle, too many of the so called left of the party are still stuck in 2017 and overcome with bitterness and a desire for recriminations. They aren't all that interested in actually shifting the Tories out of power. That said, Starmer needs to do quite a bit more to win me over. His essay was very Cameronesque.
I make you spot on with that. Those who think Corbyn is the answer are just head in the sand types.
If only these parents could stay sober for long enough to at least send the nanny to the shop. I suddenly have a craving for a smoked salmon and crushed avocado bruschetta. May be a problem on a wet Sunday afternoon in leitrim
Quite. If things get really tough the kids could also cash in some of their stocks portfolio.
The problem with crushed avocado is it goes black quickly. #firstworldproblems
Quite. If things get really tough the kids could also cash in some of their stocks portfolio.
The problem with crushed avocado is it goes black quickly. #firstworldproblems
My partner knows some avocado stuff ( I have to Confess to not recognizing one prior to meeting her). She always telling me to leave it in contact with the seed til last minute ' otherwise it will go black before you eat it's
Britain has become a laughing stock over here. Norwegians are saying things like 'We used to look at Britain as a strong world leader'. I imagine the rest of Europe is also looking on in disbelief.
No, it had a lot to do with him. He was too easy a target.
Which is why someone like Keir coming along and committing to the radical platform and party unity was so appealing. Unfortunately, that was as true and accurate as a Brexit line on the side of a bus.
He’s left his 10 pledges to announce his 10 plane principles now. I fully expect the next 10 platitudes when these don’t inspire or engage anyone.
How do you feel about momentum voting against the legally mandated EHRC recommendations Koonters?
Nope just been listening to his weasel words on putting public services in public hands....or not!!
What exactly about 'Public services should be in public hands, not making profits for shareholders. Support common ownership of rail, mail, energy and water; end outsourcing in our NHS, local government and justice system' do you object to?
I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
What exactly about 'Public services should be in public hands, not making profits for shareholders. Support common ownership of rail, mail, energy and water; end outsourcing in our NHS, local government and justice system' do you object to?
What exactly about 'Public services should be in public hands, not making profits for shareholders. Support common ownership of rail, mail, energy and water; end outsourcing in our NHS, local government and justice system' do you object to?
If only he was sticking to his leadership pledges like this. No wonder you don’t get it ... you’re 18 months out of date.
How do you feel about momentum voting against the legally mandated EHRC recommendations Koonters?
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Looks like they want a truly independent process. Which is fair enough: I wouldn’t want the General Secretary or the JLM for that matter anywhere near the process.
So a stretch to say they are voting against the EHRC requirements.
Many of Corbyn's policies were appealing to me but Corbyn himself was not. He showed a lack of leadership on a number of important issues and had all the political nous and savvy of a house brick. That the cultists still refuse to acknowledge how much of a role he played in how screwed the country is now is bizarre. He was front and centre of the reasons why we've ended up with the worst government in history having a huge majority. I understand that emotionally that's hard for some to take, but that's the reality of it.
Starmer may well not be the answer but I think anyone coming in after the debacle of 2019 was likely to struggle, too many of the so called left of the party are still stuck in 2017 and overcome with bitterness and a desire for recriminations. They aren't all that interested in actually shifting the Tories out of power. That said, Starmer needs to do quite a bit more to win me over. His essay was very Cameronesque.
That’s a strange reading of reality. Rather it was just the accepted narrative.
Most of which was dictated by a fierce opposition to Corbyn’s policies and positions. Well, now we get the establishment-approved version of an opposition: a non-opposition of weak centrism and leftish platitudes that Cameron or indeed Johnson could stand for because they won’t change anything of any real substance.
How has our main opposition party ended up to the right of an actual US government? Mind-blowing stuff.
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