| Left, right and centre 14:33 - Sep 29 with 5542 views | GlasgowBlue |
Can we all agree that it is poor form to heckle somebody when talking about their deceased mother? |  |
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| Left, right and centre on 19:39 - Sep 29 with 1658 views | Darth_Koont |
| Left, right and centre on 18:19 - Sep 29 by giant_stow |
At this point some basic competence would do. |
Well, that rules Starmer and particularly his advisers out.
Probably the least competent attempt at politics I’ve seen since IDS. |  |
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| Left, right and centre on 19:43 - Sep 29 with 1647 views | Darth_Koont |
| Left, right and centre on 17:26 - Sep 29 by Mullet |
This is why the cult of Corbyn and the childish zealots still ruining the country by proxy need to go. He was carried along by some of the worst people possible trying to wrest power in a way the far right in the Tories are seen to have done.
We’ve had years of chaos and theoretical extremism turned into massive damage on the country. If these lot actually believed in their rhetoric they’d do everything to get Boris out and then win the argument from a position of strength.
Instead this sort of scumbag behaviour embodies their hypocrisy and treacherous egotism. |
Centrist insanity is a real thing.
Here’s an idea. Stop playing party political top trumps and actually support policies. | |
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| Left, right and centre on 19:44 - Sep 29 with 1641 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Left, right and centre on 17:45 - Sep 29 by JakeITFC |
The problem is that Labour were in a position of strength and the people you are describing as the moderates in your reply were the ones who rubbished it, without anybody calling them cultists or whatever else.
It feels like a tremendous shame that Labour are looking to abandon something genuinely revolutionary in politics - huge upswell in membership, invigoration of youth in politics etc. in pursuit of some vague notion of 'electability'. |
Would've helped considerably had conference passed the LCER PR motion..... |  |
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| Left, right and centre on 20:14 - Sep 29 with 1595 views | Mullet |
| Left, right and centre on 19:43 - Sep 29 by Darth_Koont |
Centrist insanity is a real thing.
Here’s an idea. Stop playing party political top trumps and actually support policies. |
If only those attacking Starmer would eh? |  |
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| Left, right and centre on 21:16 - Sep 29 with 1546 views | Darth_Koont |
| Left, right and centre on 20:14 - Sep 29 by Mullet |
If only those attacking Starmer would eh? |
Why would I support policies I don’t think are anything like good enough?
Both the Tories and Labour are now triangulating around the centre-right. Makes no sense, short or long-term, to just go along with it because you believe that at least one is slightly better than the other.
As I’ve said before, I might as well reject that and look for a party outside and influence the direction as a result. Like UKIP but for good not evil. So the Greens are getting my vote for the foreseeable on the off-chance that someone decides that their route to electoral power isn’t based on the sweet spot of retired homeowners in the Dales. | |
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| Left, right and centre on 22:29 - Sep 29 with 1507 views | positivity |
| Left, right and centre on 19:44 - Sep 29 by Ewan_Oozami |
Would've helped considerably had conference passed the LCER PR motion..... |
100% this. and something koonters can get behind now he's joined the greens! |  |
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| Left, right and centre on 22:34 - Sep 29 with 1492 views | Darth_Koont |
| Left, right and centre on 22:29 - Sep 29 by positivity |
100% this. and something koonters can get behind now he's joined the greens! |
Absolutely! I’ve been pushing the progressive alliance with PR and a Green New Deal for a year or more.
It’s not coming from this lot though. They want to get paid – and that stuff doesn’t pay. | |
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| Left, right and centre on 23:50 - Sep 29 with 1437 views | giant_stow |
I thought that woman with the grey frizzy hair looked familiar - just read she appeared on big brother years ago. |  |
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| Left, right and centre on 07:22 - Sep 30 with 1386 views | jimmyvet |
| Left, right and centre on 17:45 - Sep 29 by JakeITFC |
The problem is that Labour were in a position of strength and the people you are describing as the moderates in your reply were the ones who rubbished it, without anybody calling them cultists or whatever else.
It feels like a tremendous shame that Labour are looking to abandon something genuinely revolutionary in politics - huge upswell in membership, invigoration of youth in politics etc. in pursuit of some vague notion of 'electability'. |
Got it .. invigorating the youth …you mean young labour passing a motion on Palestinian yep that’s really going to help labour win back seats in the North! Just what the Party needs loads of young public school educated socialists.
SKS for all his faults realises people care about jobs, education, opportunities and are quite patriotic something Corbyn and his mates despise and why they lost last election by 80 seats. | | | |
| Left, right and centre on 08:35 - Sep 30 with 1353 views | positivity |
| Left, right and centre on 22:34 - Sep 29 by Darth_Koont |
Absolutely! I’ve been pushing the progressive alliance with PR and a Green New Deal for a year or more.
It’s not coming from this lot though. They want to get paid – and that stuff doesn’t pay. |
good to hear, looking forward to the starmer/berry (or is she standing down?) coalition government!
hopefully starmer will do more to progress pr than his predecessor (in fairness he can't do less) | |
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| Left, right and centre on 10:15 - Sep 30 with 1318 views | BlueBadger |
| Left, right and centre on 22:29 - Sep 29 by positivity |
100% this. and something koonters can get behind now he's joined the greens! |
Purely coincidentally, the UK Green party recently voted against adopting IHRA guidelines on antisemitism. |  |
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| Left, right and centre on 10:22 - Sep 30 with 1296 views | Darth_Koont |
| Left, right and centre on 10:15 - Sep 30 by BlueBadger |
Purely coincidentally, the UK Green party recently voted against adopting IHRA guidelines on antisemitism. |
Quite right too. The IHRA examples are problematic for anyone who is pro-Palestinian and against apartheid oppression. And the best thing since sliced bread if you’re pro-Israel and excuse their apartheid policy.
And maybe keep your nasty little smears to yourself. I shouldn’t have to deal with them and Phil certainly shouldn’t. | |
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| Left, right and centre on 15:13 - Sep 30 with 1167 views | Darth_Koont |
One antisemite and his wife = the pro Corbyn left? You’re not exactly disproving the level of exaggeration here.
I hope they’re identified and thrown out the party. That’s clear antisemitism and insults the many Jewish members who are against Starmer. | |
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| Left, right and centre on 15:29 - Sep 30 with 1137 views | Churchman |
| Left, right and centre on 19:39 - Sep 29 by Darth_Koont |
Well, that rules Starmer and particularly his advisers out.
Probably the least competent attempt at politics I’ve seen since IDS. |
IDS: the epitome of a stupid man. I’m sure it’s different now, but 12 years ago he refused to have anything to do with computers, emails, text, mobiles etc. Everything had to be typed onto HoC headed notepaper. His private office was twice the size of anybody else’s, including the Prime Minister’s. All neatly paid for by the taxpaying plebs.
Chris Grayling is on Podium Stupidity too. I swear when you looked in his eyes, you could see the back of his head. How the heck has he fed himself all these years? Maybe somebody helps him with the drip tray and plastic spoon.I suppose at least his successor runty Shapps knows what a petrol tanker is, which is a sort of improvement on Grayling.
How Labour isn’t 50 points ahead in the opinion polls is amazing. Left Right and Centre, what have we done to be represented by such a desperate shower? |  | | |
| Left, right and centre on 15:42 - Sep 30 with 1129 views | Timefliesbyintheblue |
| Left, right and centre on 15:29 - Sep 30 by Churchman |
IDS: the epitome of a stupid man. I’m sure it’s different now, but 12 years ago he refused to have anything to do with computers, emails, text, mobiles etc. Everything had to be typed onto HoC headed notepaper. His private office was twice the size of anybody else’s, including the Prime Minister’s. All neatly paid for by the taxpaying plebs.
Chris Grayling is on Podium Stupidity too. I swear when you looked in his eyes, you could see the back of his head. How the heck has he fed himself all these years? Maybe somebody helps him with the drip tray and plastic spoon.I suppose at least his successor runty Shapps knows what a petrol tanker is, which is a sort of improvement on Grayling.
How Labour isn’t 50 points ahead in the opinion polls is amazing. Left Right and Centre, what have we done to be represented by such a desperate shower? |
I genuinely believe that all labour voters should ask themselves the question you pointed out about why they are not 50 points ahead in the polls.
As long as they keep blaming the voting system, the media, and the 'stupid' British public, this will not change however any of us would like it to.
It is amazing how the same rhetoric on a daily basis is used against the current government and yet labour can not seem to close 'the gap'.
Any party will only get elected on its own personalities, style, manifesto and leadership and not on the assumed or otherwise failings of the present incumbents. This will never ever change, neither should it. | | | |
| Left, right and centre on 15:42 - Sep 30 with 1129 views | Darth_Koont |
| Left, right and centre on 15:29 - Sep 30 by Churchman |
IDS: the epitome of a stupid man. I’m sure it’s different now, but 12 years ago he refused to have anything to do with computers, emails, text, mobiles etc. Everything had to be typed onto HoC headed notepaper. His private office was twice the size of anybody else’s, including the Prime Minister’s. All neatly paid for by the taxpaying plebs.
Chris Grayling is on Podium Stupidity too. I swear when you looked in his eyes, you could see the back of his head. How the heck has he fed himself all these years? Maybe somebody helps him with the drip tray and plastic spoon.I suppose at least his successor runty Shapps knows what a petrol tanker is, which is a sort of improvement on Grayling.
How Labour isn’t 50 points ahead in the opinion polls is amazing. Left Right and Centre, what have we done to be represented by such a desperate shower? |
Haha! I didn’t know that about IDS but seems about right.
Re: “How Labour isn’t 50 points ahead in the opinion polls is amazing. Left Right and Centre, what have we done to be represented by such a desperate shower?”
I think the answer is as simple as a political media that’s not been fit for purpose for decades. Largely partisan and largely unserious they’ve made the overall coverage fairly meaningless. After decades of that, you get the useless self-serving politicians and an increasingly uninformed, bored and/or uncaring public to match. | |
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| Left, right and centre on 15:50 - Sep 30 with 1116 views | Darth_Koont |
| Left, right and centre on 15:42 - Sep 30 by Timefliesbyintheblue |
I genuinely believe that all labour voters should ask themselves the question you pointed out about why they are not 50 points ahead in the polls.
As long as they keep blaming the voting system, the media, and the 'stupid' British public, this will not change however any of us would like it to.
It is amazing how the same rhetoric on a daily basis is used against the current government and yet labour can not seem to close 'the gap'.
Any party will only get elected on its own personalities, style, manifesto and leadership and not on the assumed or otherwise failings of the present incumbents. This will never ever change, neither should it. |
Oddly, I agree. At least with your conclusion that it’s really up to Labour to stand for something on its own merits.
They also can’t say they’re the honest, competent alternative either. A) They’re not and B) not enough of the Tory voters care about that. Johnson has pretty much branded himself as dishonest and incompetent from the start as some anti-managerial and (unbelievably) anti-establishment friend of the man in the street.
It’s like the Berlusconi effect where millions of his supporters actually celebrated and admired his cunning and self-interest. | |
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| Left, right and centre on 16:12 - Sep 30 with 1083 views | Churchman |
| Left, right and centre on 15:42 - Sep 30 by Darth_Koont |
Haha! I didn’t know that about IDS but seems about right.
Re: “How Labour isn’t 50 points ahead in the opinion polls is amazing. Left Right and Centre, what have we done to be represented by such a desperate shower?”
I think the answer is as simple as a political media that’s not been fit for purpose for decades. Largely partisan and largely unserious they’ve made the overall coverage fairly meaningless. After decades of that, you get the useless self-serving politicians and an increasingly uninformed, bored and/or uncaring public to match. |
I had some dealings with IDS’ private office when I was involved in something making the news in 2007/2008 and heard it first hand.
You are right of course regarding media/self serving politicians/uninformed, bored uncaring people. | | | |
| Left, right and centre on 16:18 - Sep 30 with 1064 views | Timefliesbyintheblue |
| Left, right and centre on 15:42 - Sep 30 by Darth_Koont |
Haha! I didn’t know that about IDS but seems about right.
Re: “How Labour isn’t 50 points ahead in the opinion polls is amazing. Left Right and Centre, what have we done to be represented by such a desperate shower?”
I think the answer is as simple as a political media that’s not been fit for purpose for decades. Largely partisan and largely unserious they’ve made the overall coverage fairly meaningless. After decades of that, you get the useless self-serving politicians and an increasingly uninformed, bored and/or uncaring public to match. |
I think you are slightly unfair in calling the public uninformed. They might be uncaring on loads of issues that many of us take more seriously than they do, but then again to post on a forum as we do so often about politics means we are a lot more interested in the subject.
Perhaps we are the fools!!! hey consider the issue, what the hell am I doing on here on a Thursday afternoon when I could be etc etc!!
I have friends and family who I have never discussed politics with in all my lifetime - and I aint young!
Thinking like the Great British Public, respecting them, even when their ideas even ideals may differ from your own should be paramount with all politicians. | | | |
| Left, right and centre on 21:11 - Sep 30 with 987 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Left, right and centre on 10:22 - Sep 30 by Darth_Koont |
Quite right too. The IHRA examples are problematic for anyone who is pro-Palestinian and against apartheid oppression. And the best thing since sliced bread if you’re pro-Israel and excuse their apartheid policy.
And maybe keep your nasty little smears to yourself. I shouldn’t have to deal with them and Phil certainly shouldn’t. |
Hey Koonters. Are you still up for some Chris Willimson defending?
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| Left, right and centre on 21:17 - Sep 30 with 971 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Left, right and centre on 21:11 - Sep 30 by GlasgowBlue |
Hey Koonters. Are you still up for some Chris Willimson defending?
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Seems fair in the scheme of things..nice that she kicked off her return by defending Israel against the threat of boycotts rather than say fighting for the UK's poor.
Edit....it is all theatrical 'society of the spectacle' bull. [Post edited 30 Sep 2021 21:20]
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| Left, right and centre on 22:38 - Sep 30 with 931 views | Darth_Koont |
| Left, right and centre on 21:11 - Sep 30 by GlasgowBlue |
Hey Koonters. Are you still up for some Chris Willimson defending?
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You carry on with your grubby little war against the left. Pity there’s nothing like an IPSO ruling for all your lies and smears.
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| Left, right and centre on 16:57 - Oct 1 with 811 views | Darth_Koont |
Ooof!
Hate to say I told you so but ... this article is exactly what I’ve been trying to point out as it’s been emerging over the last year or so.
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