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As a child of the 80s, this was not really on my radar, but I noticed that we won it one year, beating Norwich 4-2 on aggregate. Where on the tin pot trophy scale was this competition? Can somebody put it on the scale of today's competitions? I can only imagine both legs of the final were keenly competed...
Not so many European games back then. Only one team in the European Cup; only one in the Cup Winners Cup and three/four in the Fairs Cup/ later UEFA Cup. So things like the Texaco mattered - especially when we beat the neighbours. I was at both games - and we did indeed take probably ten thousand to Carrot Road. In those days standing and cash entry often made such games easy to attend.
The Pizza Trophy could be as important if we managed to exclude the Premiership "collect all the players" Teams. Up to now I have steadfastly ignored it!
Not quite at European Cup (as it was then) level but beating them home and away in the final made it mean more than it probably actually did.
That season of 1972/73 was when SBR started producing very good and great teams.
There were 29700 at PR for the first leg and 35798 in Norfolk with an estimated 10000 of us in blue and white.
I have to point out a mistake in that statement. The EFL Cup is a direct descendent of the Texaco Cup. The original Texaco format was for UK/Ireland clubs not in Europe, this then evolved into the Anglo-Scottish Cup (teams from Ireland forced out due to the political climate) which ran until 1981, rebranded as the Football League Group Cup and Football League Trophy until 1983, and was again branded as the Associate Members Cup until 1992 where it became the Football League Trophy. Over the years memberships have mixed from top-flight teams, non-English clubs, second division sides, youth sides, and so on. It has always changed which is why the bellyaching about top-tier academies being allowed to play in it isn't really that justified, especially as any club even in the 3rd/4th tier worth their salt should be able to beat them with their starting 11s.
Winners are...
1970—71 Wolverhampton Wanderers 1971—72 Derby County 1972—73 Ipswich Town 1973—74 Newcastle United 1974—75 Newcastle United 1975—76 Middlesbrough 1976—77 Nottingham Forest 1977—78 Bristol City 1978—79 Burnley 1979—80 St Mirren 1980—81 Chesterfield 1981-82 Grimsby Town 1982-83 Millwall 1983—84: AFC Bournemouth 1984—85: Wigan Athletic 1985—86: Bristol City 1986—87: Mansfield Town 1987—88: Wolverhampton Wanderers 1988—89: Bolton Wanderers 1989—90: Tranmere Rovers 1990—91: Birmingham City 1991—92: Stoke City 1992—93: Port Vale 1993—94: Swansea City 1994—95: Birmingham City 1995—96: Rotherham United 1996—97: Carlisle United 1997—98: Grimsby Town 1998—99: Wigan Athletic 1999—00: Stoke City 2000—01: Port Vale 2001—02: Blackpool 2002—03: Bristol City 2003—04: Blackpool 2004—05: Wrexham 2005—06: Swansea City 2006—07: Doncaster Rovers 2007—08: Milton Keynes Dons 2008—09: Luton Town 2009—10: Southampton 2010—11: Carlisle United 2011—12: Chesterfield 2012—13: Crewe Alexandra 2013—14: Peterborough United 2014—15: Bristol City 2015—16: Barnsley 2016—17: Coventry City 2017—18: Lincoln City 2018—19: Portsmouth 2019—20: Salford City 2020—21: Sunderland
It has the distinction of being both Bobby Robsons and Brian Clough's first trophy.
Involved English and Scottish teams that year. Previous years had Irish and Welsh teams too.
Indeed, the Texaco Cup was below the League Cup but above the Watney Cup pre-season jolly. It was similar to the Anglo Scottish Cup, which Forest won as Clough was beginning to assemble a decent side. As Town hadn't won much or looked like winning much, it seemed good at the time. We played our full first team & took it pretty seriously. Crowds were generally a little down on league games, but playing Norwich in the final created huge local interest.
I have to point out a mistake in that statement. The EFL Cup is a direct descendent of the Texaco Cup. The original Texaco format was for UK/Ireland clubs not in Europe, this then evolved into the Anglo-Scottish Cup (teams from Ireland forced out due to the political climate) which ran until 1981, rebranded as the Football League Group Cup and Football League Trophy until 1983, and was again branded as the Associate Members Cup until 1992 where it became the Football League Trophy. Over the years memberships have mixed from top-flight teams, non-English clubs, second division sides, youth sides, and so on. It has always changed which is why the bellyaching about top-tier academies being allowed to play in it isn't really that justified, especially as any club even in the 3rd/4th tier worth their salt should be able to beat them with their starting 11s.
Winners are...
1970—71 Wolverhampton Wanderers 1971—72 Derby County 1972—73 Ipswich Town 1973—74 Newcastle United 1974—75 Newcastle United 1975—76 Middlesbrough 1976—77 Nottingham Forest 1977—78 Bristol City 1978—79 Burnley 1979—80 St Mirren 1980—81 Chesterfield 1981-82 Grimsby Town 1982-83 Millwall 1983—84: AFC Bournemouth 1984—85: Wigan Athletic 1985—86: Bristol City 1986—87: Mansfield Town 1987—88: Wolverhampton Wanderers 1988—89: Bolton Wanderers 1989—90: Tranmere Rovers 1990—91: Birmingham City 1991—92: Stoke City 1992—93: Port Vale 1993—94: Swansea City 1994—95: Birmingham City 1995—96: Rotherham United 1996—97: Carlisle United 1997—98: Grimsby Town 1998—99: Wigan Athletic 1999—00: Stoke City 2000—01: Port Vale 2001—02: Blackpool 2002—03: Bristol City 2003—04: Blackpool 2004—05: Wrexham 2005—06: Swansea City 2006—07: Doncaster Rovers 2007—08: Milton Keynes Dons 2008—09: Luton Town 2009—10: Southampton 2010—11: Carlisle United 2011—12: Chesterfield 2012—13: Crewe Alexandra 2013—14: Peterborough United 2014—15: Bristol City 2015—16: Barnsley 2016—17: Coventry City 2017—18: Lincoln City 2018—19: Portsmouth 2019—20: Salford City 2020—21: Sunderland
It has the distinction of being both Bobby Robsons and Brian Clough's first trophy.
I have to point out a mistake in that statement. The EFL Cup is a direct descendent of the Texaco Cup. The original Texaco format was for UK/Ireland clubs not in Europe, this then evolved into the Anglo-Scottish Cup (teams from Ireland forced out due to the political climate) which ran until 1981, rebranded as the Football League Group Cup and Football League Trophy until 1983, and was again branded as the Associate Members Cup until 1992 where it became the Football League Trophy. Over the years memberships have mixed from top-flight teams, non-English clubs, second division sides, youth sides, and so on. It has always changed which is why the bellyaching about top-tier academies being allowed to play in it isn't really that justified, especially as any club even in the 3rd/4th tier worth their salt should be able to beat them with their starting 11s.
Winners are...
1970—71 Wolverhampton Wanderers 1971—72 Derby County 1972—73 Ipswich Town 1973—74 Newcastle United 1974—75 Newcastle United 1975—76 Middlesbrough 1976—77 Nottingham Forest 1977—78 Bristol City 1978—79 Burnley 1979—80 St Mirren 1980—81 Chesterfield 1981-82 Grimsby Town 1982-83 Millwall 1983—84: AFC Bournemouth 1984—85: Wigan Athletic 1985—86: Bristol City 1986—87: Mansfield Town 1987—88: Wolverhampton Wanderers 1988—89: Bolton Wanderers 1989—90: Tranmere Rovers 1990—91: Birmingham City 1991—92: Stoke City 1992—93: Port Vale 1993—94: Swansea City 1994—95: Birmingham City 1995—96: Rotherham United 1996—97: Carlisle United 1997—98: Grimsby Town 1998—99: Wigan Athletic 1999—00: Stoke City 2000—01: Port Vale 2001—02: Blackpool 2002—03: Bristol City 2003—04: Blackpool 2004—05: Wrexham 2005—06: Swansea City 2006—07: Doncaster Rovers 2007—08: Milton Keynes Dons 2008—09: Luton Town 2009—10: Southampton 2010—11: Carlisle United 2011—12: Chesterfield 2012—13: Crewe Alexandra 2013—14: Peterborough United 2014—15: Bristol City 2015—16: Barnsley 2016—17: Coventry City 2017—18: Lincoln City 2018—19: Portsmouth 2019—20: Salford City 2020—21: Sunderland
It has the distinction of being both Bobby Robsons and Brian Clough's first trophy.
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Good history.... nevertheless allowing the u21 premier clubs to take part just reinforces their ability to hoard players.
In those days you could pretty much get in most areas of the ground, so we decided that the river end would be fun, after a few bits of fun, they got us out of that end & we walked from one end of the ground to the other on the pitch & into the then away end. After the game the whole of the town end invaded the pitch & celebrated our cup win.
also there was the willhire cup , which we won in 1978 and 1979. was a east anglian cup compertion. between ipswich, norwich, colchester and cambridge.
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Good history.... nevertheless allowing the u21 premier clubs to take part just reinforces their ability to hoard players.
U21's and U23's are just rebranded names for the reserves and third teams by modern football nonsense. They have rules about how many young players are fielded, but as proven a few years back when Alan Lee was a regular in our "U23's" he was there and scoring for fun. Norwood is doing the same this season despite Ashton giving him the boot. It's the reserves.
It's no different to when we have entered into Suffolk cup competitions with our reserves, it's better to have your 2nd and third strings play competitive games against teams who want to win then it is to have them play other disinterested second and third string sides turning them into training matches.
As stated, we should be beating their 2nd strings anyway, the fact we have had 3 goes at it now and not even made the semis is more embarrassing than the competition itself. We have no right to look down on this cup, we're likely going to be in it next season too and Gamechanger would enter our reserves in it if we were a top flight side too.
Indeed, the Texaco Cup was below the League Cup but above the Watney Cup pre-season jolly. It was similar to the Anglo Scottish Cup, which Forest won as Clough was beginning to assemble a decent side. As Town hadn't won much or looked like winning much, it seemed good at the time. We played our full first team & took it pretty seriously. Crowds were generally a little down on league games, but playing Norwich in the final created huge local interest.
From Wikipedia:
"Nottingham Forest's victory in the 1976-77 final over Orient was their first trophy under the management of Brian Clough, who later stated that he took the tournament seriously (when many other clubs did not) and considered it the springboard for Forest's future success, as they would go on to win a First Division title and two European Cups over the following 3 seasons. Clough had taken a similar stance on the competition's predecessor, the Texaco Cup, and won it with Derby County in 1972, the same year he guided them to their first league title."
In those days you could pretty much get in most areas of the ground, so we decided that the river end would be fun, after a few bits of fun, they got us out of that end & we walked from one end of the ground to the other on the pitch & into the then away end. After the game the whole of the town end invaded the pitch & celebrated our cup win.
I went to both legs, and remember running round the Carrow Road pitch at the end.