| Set pieces 10:12 - Feb 21 with 4521 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
First, let me be clear, I am delighted with McKenna and what he is achieving with us at the moment. Set pieces have been a problem for us for much longer than his reign too. I also never want us to become a team like Cheltenham were against us when we played them away reliant on set pieces for goals.
However, do we have a set piece specialist coach? 1 goal in 140 corners for United suggests this is not a strength that McKenna and Pert will bring. I also trust McKenna to be aware of this so just a question about the current existence or otherwise of such a specialist coach. |  |
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| Set pieces on 12:21 - Feb 21 with 742 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Set pieces on 11:47 - Feb 21 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Why does it matter if the goal is direct from the first touch after the corner is taken?
4% of corners resulting in a goal, an average of around 5 corners per match. One would expect a goal from a corner around 1 in 5 matches. I don't think we are achieving that currently.
Of course, if the breakaway goal assertion were correct, it would mean that would happen more often than once every 5 matches. I can't recall the last time we conceded from a corner that we had. [Post edited 21 Feb 2022 11:53]
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| Set pieces on 12:27 - Feb 21 with 718 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
I do wonder if TimeFliesBy thinks whenever the opposition have a corner "oh good, we are more likely to score on the break than they are from this!" I suspect not. | |
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| Set pieces on 13:12 - Feb 21 with 670 views | Bluroo |
| Set pieces on 11:47 - Feb 21 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Why does it matter if the goal is direct from the first touch after the corner is taken?
4% of corners resulting in a goal, an average of around 5 corners per match. One would expect a goal from a corner around 1 in 5 matches. I don't think we are achieving that currently.
Of course, if the breakaway goal assertion were correct, it would mean that would happen more often than once every 5 matches. I can't recall the last time we conceded from a corner that we had. [Post edited 21 Feb 2022 11:53]
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Well the significance of more of them not being scored directly plays to the point I was making regarding a possible tactical revolution concerning corners in the future. It’s already 4 times more likely to be successful as a result of more than a single phased set play…
But I was just clarifying after you incorrectly corrected my point regarding percentages. Wasn’t actually saying it mattered at that point. |  | | |
| Set pieces on 13:14 - Feb 21 with 667 views | Bluroo |
| Set pieces on 12:20 - Feb 21 by Marshalls_Mullet |
The 4% comment is far more relevant.
Especially seeing as your solution is indirect. |
Yes that IS my point. | | | |
| Set pieces on 13:15 - Feb 21 with 665 views | Bluroo |
It’s a nuanced subject. | | | |
| Set pieces on 13:27 - Feb 21 with 656 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Set pieces on 11:25 - Feb 21 by Timefliesbyintheblue |
I was talking football in general and not specifically ITFC. Attending most games I must disagree with your assertion that WE are conceding a plethora (meaning excessive amount) of breakaway goals. Oh and my unsubstantiated assertion comes from years of waching football!
We have a manager now that will be a success, of that I have no doubt; I just hope it is at ITFC. |
Down arrow for explaining a simple word. | |
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| Set pieces on 13:31 - Feb 21 with 647 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Set pieces on 13:14 - Feb 21 by Bluroo |
Yes that IS my point. |
May have been useful to quote the 4% in your original post, if that's the case. ;-) | |
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| Set pieces on 13:42 - Feb 21 with 632 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Set pieces on 13:12 - Feb 21 by Bluroo |
Well the significance of more of them not being scored directly plays to the point I was making regarding a possible tactical revolution concerning corners in the future. It’s already 4 times more likely to be successful as a result of more than a single phased set play…
But I was just clarifying after you incorrectly corrected my point regarding percentages. Wasn’t actually saying it mattered at that point. |
Surely a tactical revolution would be concerned with direct AND indirect goals from corners?
You were trying to make a point and used the lesser stat to prove it. |  |
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| Set pieces on 13:53 - Feb 21 with 613 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Set pieces on 13:42 - Feb 21 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Surely a tactical revolution would be concerned with direct AND indirect goals from corners?
You were trying to make a point and used the lesser stat to prove it. |
Indeed. Cannot take away the fact that the ability to mix it up and therefore keep the opposition uncertain about what they are defending has on success rate.
Getting back to the point of the OP, I am sure we could do better with someone who has a specialism in coaching these sort of things being involved in training. Whether you call that a set piece coach or even it is the kit man, the tea person or even the manager himself who takes those sessions because they actually know what they are doing! | |
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| Set pieces on 16:06 - Feb 21 with 570 views | Garv |
| Set pieces on 11:54 - Feb 21 by clive_baker |
Yeah. Evans loves that little clipped ball in to the far post too, from the corner of the 18 yard box c. 25 out. Think that's what resulted in Woolfenden's offside goal on Saturday, he's certainly done that a few times recently to good effect. I don't think he takes a particularly bad corner on balance, of course they won't all be right. Agree with the OP though it's about time we got on the end of one and made it count. |
Think it comes down to the activity and execution of the players in the box, rather than issues with the taker. In the main Evans is a pretty good free kick and corner taker. |  |
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| Set pieces on 17:34 - Feb 21 with 549 views | jayessess |
| Set pieces on 11:26 - Feb 21 by Bluroo |
I’m referring to the same article. 4% is the rate of goals resulting indirectly from a corner - but it’s only 1% DIRECTLY as I said. |
Is a set piece where you score directly better than one where you score from a second ball? |  |
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| Set pieces on 17:40 - Feb 21 with 545 views | SheffordBlue |
I wonder if McKenna has prioritised areas he wants to focus on coaching. Seems to me that set play coaching could be time intensive and is maybe is something he'll look at spending more time on once he's confident the general patterns of play have been adopted. | |
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| Set pieces on 18:58 - Feb 21 with 524 views | Bluroo |
| Set pieces on 13:42 - Feb 21 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Surely a tactical revolution would be concerned with direct AND indirect goals from corners?
You were trying to make a point and used the lesser stat to prove it. |
Let me make it clearer. Indirect attacks from corners are already more successful than direct attacks, which are barely successful at all. So I am speculating that more emphasis will be placed on indirect attacks, to a revolutionary degree, in future. Hence why I used the 1% stat in the first place to emphasis the point. But even 4% is, I bet, way lower than most people would think.
I have an unhealthy realisation of all of this as I’ve been betting for and against the number of corners for about 25 years - so although I am more concerned by how many corners there are in a game, it dawned on me many years ago how consistently ineffectual they are!!! | | | |
| Set pieces on 19:04 - Feb 21 with 520 views | Bluroo |
| Set pieces on 17:34 - Feb 21 by jayessess |
Is a set piece where you score directly better than one where you score from a second ball? |
Some people might think it’s better to focus on what is statistically a more successful method whereas others will be dying to be contrary. | | | |
| Set pieces on 19:42 - Feb 21 with 510 views | jayessess |
| Set pieces on 19:04 - Feb 21 by Bluroo |
Some people might think it’s better to focus on what is statistically a more successful method whereas others will be dying to be contrary. |
I don't think you've understood the statistic correctly.
1% = goals where the first touch after a corner is a goal (ie. Bonne v. Shrewsbury style)
the other 3% = all goals that result from a corner as a passage of play (not just short corners, but also near post flick ons, goal mouth scrambles, second balls that drop right, rebounds etc.)
Most of those goals are still balls into the box. | |
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| Set pieces on 19:48 - Feb 21 with 496 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Set pieces on 19:42 - Feb 21 by jayessess |
I don't think you've understood the statistic correctly.
1% = goals where the first touch after a corner is a goal (ie. Bonne v. Shrewsbury style)
the other 3% = all goals that result from a corner as a passage of play (not just short corners, but also near post flick ons, goal mouth scrambles, second balls that drop right, rebounds etc.)
Most of those goals are still balls into the box. |
And, indeed, by mixing it up makes defending them more difficult. If the defending team know the ball is never going to be put straight into the box, they have a different focus to how to defend. | |
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| Set pieces on 07:07 - Feb 22 with 437 views | Leaky |
| Set pieces on 10:59 - Feb 21 by reusersfreekicks |
Set piece specialist coach!!
Are we playing American Football now where they have a coach for everything?? |
We could get a change in the substitution rules, to allow a sub on to take corners then take him off. |  | | |
| Set pieces on 13:47 - Feb 22 with 391 views | Bluroo |
| Set pieces on 19:42 - Feb 21 by jayessess |
I don't think you've understood the statistic correctly.
1% = goals where the first touch after a corner is a goal (ie. Bonne v. Shrewsbury style)
the other 3% = all goals that result from a corner as a passage of play (not just short corners, but also near post flick ons, goal mouth scrambles, second balls that drop right, rebounds etc.)
Most of those goals are still balls into the box. |
You clearly don't understand my point, despite explaining it twice, so I am not surprised you've arrived at that conclusion. There are a factual error in your reply, but this is getting too pedantic to bother with. | | | |
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