| Why are we still eating meat all things considered? on 17:23 - Mar 13 with 854 views | ZXBlue |
| Why are we still eating meat all things considered? on 17:11 - Mar 13 by gtsb1966 |
" Animals are not people". Pathetic statement that...and I eat meat. |
No. Its a fact.
The false equivalence setup by militant vegans is that "meat is murder" as if animals and humans are equivalent. They are not. |  | |  |
| Why are we still eating meat all things considered? on 17:27 - Mar 13 with 836 views | monytowbray |
| Why are we still eating meat all things considered? on 17:23 - Mar 13 by ZXBlue |
No. Its a fact.
The false equivalence setup by militant vegans is that "meat is murder" as if animals and humans are equivalent. They are not. |
Why are they not? |  |
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| Why are we still eating meat all things considered? on 17:30 - Mar 13 with 822 views | ZXBlue |
| Why are we still eating meat all things considered? on 17:27 - Mar 13 by monytowbray |
Why are they not? |
Why are apples not oranges?
This is possibly the silliest question I have yet to see on TWTD.
Humans are not the same as other animals. Anymore than a dog is the same as a cat.
Our morality is based on our own sense of empathy and social inclinations. Animals are not, for most, on the same plane as other humans in those considerations. And there is no fundamental or inherent reason why they should be. | | | |
| Why are we still eating meat all things considered? on 17:32 - Mar 13 with 819 views | loftboy |
My mrs Is a veggie and since we’ve been together I’ve gradually reduced my red meat intake, love chicken though, not sure I can give that up, eat lots of her veggie meals but it may be my brain lying to me but they just don’t fill me up as much as a meat based meal? [Post edited 13 Mar 2022 17:33]
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| Why are we still eating meat all things considered? on 17:33 - Mar 13 with 809 views | monytowbray |
| Why are we still eating meat all things considered? on 17:30 - Mar 13 by ZXBlue |
Why are apples not oranges?
This is possibly the silliest question I have yet to see on TWTD.
Humans are not the same as other animals. Anymore than a dog is the same as a cat.
Our morality is based on our own sense of empathy and social inclinations. Animals are not, for most, on the same plane as other humans in those considerations. And there is no fundamental or inherent reason why they should be. |
Okay, so you don’t believe animals and humans are the same in what sense? Do dogs and cats not feel the same pain as a pig or a cow? Does a human not feel pain the same as any of the above?
And therefore, on that statement - What exactly makes you believe they are entitled to suffer for food? What makes that okay?
And, if social interactions determine attachment, would that make it okay for someone to stab someone else because they didn’t know them or have a personal attachment? [Post edited 13 Mar 2022 17:34]
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| Why are we still eating meat all things considered? on 17:38 - Mar 13 with 798 views | Ryorry |
| Why are we still eating meat all things considered? on 17:11 - Mar 13 by monytowbray |
“Him” has a name.
GTSB understands why he needs to give up meat and is trying. You spent ages arguing for ethical meat consumption.
They are very different takes with very different messages.
You upvoted the first post in this thread moaning about “ramming views down people’s throats” too. Very understanding and progressive of the point. [Post edited 13 Mar 2022 17:13]
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I also said I'd go down to zero if I medically could, but had been advised by umpteen doctors, dieticians & other specialists not to. As I have to consume it, I make it as ethical a consumption as I can/could, and won't eat factory farmed meat.
Despite only having met me once for 2 minutes, you still decided you knew better than the medical specialists who've treated me for years, & arrogantly insisted I ignore them, giving me a shedload of abuse over several pages in the process. That is the kind of thing I meant with my upvote of "ramming views down people’s throats”. So much for your "understanding and progressive of the point."
I didn't refer to you by name because it was obvious who I was referring to; in those situations people don't usually refer to others by the name, apols if it upset you. |  |
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| Why are we still eating meat all things considered? on 17:40 - Mar 13 with 795 views | gtsb1966 |
| Why are we still eating meat all things considered? on 17:23 - Mar 13 by ZXBlue |
No. Its a fact.
The false equivalence setup by militant vegans is that "meat is murder" as if animals and humans are equivalent. They are not. |
Animals and humans should be equal as far as pain goes. .the meat industry is awful and I'm contributor to that as I eat chicken. |  | | |
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| Why are we still eating meat all things considered? on 17:42 - Mar 13 with 787 views | monytowbray |
| Why are we still eating meat all things considered? on 17:38 - Mar 13 by Ryorry |
I also said I'd go down to zero if I medically could, but had been advised by umpteen doctors, dieticians & other specialists not to. As I have to consume it, I make it as ethical a consumption as I can/could, and won't eat factory farmed meat.
Despite only having met me once for 2 minutes, you still decided you knew better than the medical specialists who've treated me for years, & arrogantly insisted I ignore them, giving me a shedload of abuse over several pages in the process. That is the kind of thing I meant with my upvote of "ramming views down people’s throats”. So much for your "understanding and progressive of the point."
I didn't refer to you by name because it was obvious who I was referring to; in those situations people don't usually refer to others by the name, apols if it upset you. |
I gave you a list of things you could eat that weren’t on your issues list.
I never gave you any medical advice, just things to consider.
You then had a meltdown.
Honestly, I really don’t care, and wish you’d stop following me about this forum as if I want to engage with you, civilly or otherwise.
It’s not personal, it’s just a waste of my time and yours. And probably not great for either of our MH. | |
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| Why are we still eating meat all things considered? on 17:49 - Mar 13 with 769 views | Ryorry |
| Why are we still eating meat all things considered? on 17:42 - Mar 13 by monytowbray |
I gave you a list of things you could eat that weren’t on your issues list.
I never gave you any medical advice, just things to consider.
You then had a meltdown.
Honestly, I really don’t care, and wish you’d stop following me about this forum as if I want to engage with you, civilly or otherwise.
It’s not personal, it’s just a waste of my time and yours. And probably not great for either of our MH. |
Everything on that list I was either already eating, or am medically unable to. You completely ignored that, and carried on insisting I could, and being abusive. Hence I got angry, as 99% of the population would in the circumstances. Several others were telling you to behave & you ignored them too.
I'm intested in the subject & would like a more sustainable, ethical approach to farming & meat production too. If you don't like what I post, please put me on ignore. | |
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| Why are we still eating meat all things considered? on 18:02 - Mar 13 with 741 views | monytowbray |
| Why are we still eating meat all things considered? on 17:49 - Mar 13 by Ryorry |
Everything on that list I was either already eating, or am medically unable to. You completely ignored that, and carried on insisting I could, and being abusive. Hence I got angry, as 99% of the population would in the circumstances. Several others were telling you to behave & you ignored them too.
I'm intested in the subject & would like a more sustainable, ethical approach to farming & meat production too. If you don't like what I post, please put me on ignore. |
You didn’t say that at the time though, you just went off on one. Rather than, ya know, rationally discuss.
Which from my first ever encounter on here with you, where you did the same because I noted the fact online privacy is virtually impossible, has been a running theme.
For whatever reason you seem intent to disagree with me whilst also saying things I support, so what do I care. I don’t want to live rent free in your head. Let it go and leave me alone. | |
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| Why are we still eating meat all things considered? on 18:15 - Mar 13 with 707 views | Ryorry |
| Why are we still eating meat all things considered? on 18:02 - Mar 13 by monytowbray |
You didn’t say that at the time though, you just went off on one. Rather than, ya know, rationally discuss.
Which from my first ever encounter on here with you, where you did the same because I noted the fact online privacy is virtually impossible, has been a running theme.
For whatever reason you seem intent to disagree with me whilst also saying things I support, so what do I care. I don’t want to live rent free in your head. Let it go and leave me alone. |
I'd said it, more than once, but you carried on ignoring it.
No idea what your 2nd para is about.
Far from being "intent on disagreeing" with you, I actually agree with you on most of the issues, admire your sticking to your principles, and possibly at least partly keep engaging out of frustration arising because I think you could achieve so much more in your goal/s if you modified how you attempt to get the message across.
That might be a bit arrogant of me I guess, but in my experience people respond far better to the carrot than the stick (I'm sure you've heard of aversion therapy! and suspect that the frequency of your vegan starter posts may be turning some off, rather than on). | |
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| Why are we still eating meat all things considered? on 18:18 - Mar 13 with 697 views | monytowbray |
| Why are we still eating meat all things considered? on 18:15 - Mar 13 by Ryorry |
I'd said it, more than once, but you carried on ignoring it.
No idea what your 2nd para is about.
Far from being "intent on disagreeing" with you, I actually agree with you on most of the issues, admire your sticking to your principles, and possibly at least partly keep engaging out of frustration arising because I think you could achieve so much more in your goal/s if you modified how you attempt to get the message across.
That might be a bit arrogant of me I guess, but in my experience people respond far better to the carrot than the stick (I'm sure you've heard of aversion therapy! and suspect that the frequency of your vegan starter posts may be turning some off, rather than on). |
If you agree with me then why, of all the points to take issue with in a vegan thread, all the stupidity and complete lack of animal empathy, is it always mine?
I’m sure you have better things to do. I certainly do than being dragged into another Ryorry vs “Him” saga. | |
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| Why are we still eating meat all things considered? on 18:22 - Mar 13 with 692 views | ZXBlue |
| Why are we still eating meat all things considered? on 18:18 - Mar 13 by monytowbray |
If you agree with me then why, of all the points to take issue with in a vegan thread, all the stupidity and complete lack of animal empathy, is it always mine?
I’m sure you have better things to do. I certainly do than being dragged into another Ryorry vs “Him” saga. |
Its as if you are so engrossed in your own embattled position, that you cannot even read what people say.... | | | |
| Why are we still eating meat all things considered? on 18:29 - Mar 13 with 680 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Why are we still eating meat all things considered? on 13:59 - Mar 13 by monytowbray |
So you tried to get me on the car and had to move the goal posts to having a pop at, wait *checks notes* USING PUBLIC TRANSPORT.
Ffs.
Everything we do leaves a footprint. It’s about synergy with the planet. |
I bet you covert oxygen to carbon dioxide too, you barsteward!
It always tickles me how defensive and stroppy people get when you ask them to think about their food choices. |  |
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| Why are we still eating meat all things considered? on 18:30 - Mar 13 with 680 views | monytowbray |
| Why are we still eating meat all things considered? on 18:22 - Mar 13 by ZXBlue |
Its as if you are so engrossed in your own embattled position, that you cannot even read what people say.... |
I’m still waiting for you to answer a question about why you think you are less entitled to suffering than animals so bit of a high horse there.
Oh and you never responded to that evidence I supplied you on animal agriculture driving pandemics either. [Post edited 13 Mar 2022 18:33]
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| Why are we still eating meat all things considered? on 18:32 - Mar 13 with 675 views | monytowbray |
| Why are we still eating meat all things considered? on 18:29 - Mar 13 by Swansea_Blue |
I bet you covert oxygen to carbon dioxide too, you barsteward!
It always tickles me how defensive and stroppy people get when you ask them to think about their food choices. |
It’s a bit like saying a logging company is justified in destroying the Amazon because sometimes I step on blades of grass.
Still nowt on the OP and pandemics though. A big thread of swerve and whatteraboutery. | |
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| Why are we still eating meat all things considered? on 18:42 - Mar 13 with 665 views | Bury_St_Edmundson |
| Why are we still eating meat all things considered? on 15:41 - Mar 13 by monytowbray |
But no one wants to actually talk about what I posted.
Funny that. |
you included a lot of the times
it's why I, and a lot of posters just turn around Abe Simpson style.
No one really comes off well, it's just a group of pigeons playing chess as the ol' meme goes |  | | |
| Why are we still eating meat all things considered? on 18:48 - Mar 13 with 655 views | monytowbray |
| Why are we still eating meat all things considered? on 18:42 - Mar 13 by Bury_St_Edmundson |
you included a lot of the times
it's why I, and a lot of posters just turn around Abe Simpson style.
No one really comes off well, it's just a group of pigeons playing chess as the ol' meme goes |
Can you provide any examples of this? Please do enlighten us with your amazing insight that is too good for TWTD…
I don’t think you understand what a meme is. [Post edited 13 Mar 2022 18:49]
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| Why are we still eating meat all things considered? on 18:51 - Mar 13 with 647 views | PassionNotAnger |
| Why are we still eating meat all things considered? on 15:16 - Mar 13 by monytowbray |
The criminals are the corporations raising your prices. I’ve never charged anyone to get on a train, let alone inflated that cost to make a handful of greedy people rich.
Train was going where it was going anyway. I’m a dot that didn’t register. You are being conned by power.
Not sure what this has to do with the thread mind you. |
Just confirms you are a criminal who steels and is therefore an immoral person who can’t be trusted | | | |
| Why are we still eating meat all things considered? on 19:00 - Mar 13 with 632 views | factual_blue |
I found some vegan gravy granules in the pantry today.
'Perfect with roasts' is emblazoned on the packet. |  |
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| Why are we still eating meat all things considered? on 19:01 - Mar 13 with 625 views | monytowbray |
| Why are we still eating meat all things considered? on 18:51 - Mar 13 by PassionNotAnger |
Just confirms you are a criminal who steels and is therefore an immoral person who can’t be trusted |
You seem to have laws and morals confused.
In the 1800s you’d have defended freeing slaves as theft.
Corporations engage in wage theft daily in favour of board profit, whilst dodging their duty to build a better society for their customers/staff though tax avoidance. Then that shortfall gets burdened on you to pay though inflation and higher taxes. They influence this system by lobbying and donating politically. We are being conned. How can you steal something from a thief if their gains were ill-gotten in the first place?
I can promise you now if you went into business with me or business with Tesco the latter will be the one that stabs you in the back - it is a feature and not a bug of getting a business to such an unethical scale in size.
I say what I mean and I act by my words. I probably limit myself to things you do daily that are legal yet unethical. [Post edited 13 Mar 2022 19:13]
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| Why are we still eating meat all things considered? on 19:02 - Mar 13 with 622 views | monytowbray |
| Why are we still eating meat all things considered? on 18:54 - Mar 13 by Bury_St_Edmundson |
Can I provide examples of people not posting due to an "atmosphere"?
no, because that's a non-provable
You're the one inserting the "too good for TWTD" comment, in a "I'm being picked on and make me look like I'm defending the board" facade
as for the meme, then
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“I’m smarter than everyone here but I can’t prove it.”
Okay.
That meme is the most boomer Facebook thing I’ve ever seen, just needs a minion. | |
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| Why are we still eating meat all things considered? on 19:12 - Mar 13 with 601 views | PassionNotAnger |
| Why are we still eating meat all things considered? on 19:01 - Mar 13 by monytowbray |
You seem to have laws and morals confused.
In the 1800s you’d have defended freeing slaves as theft.
Corporations engage in wage theft daily in favour of board profit, whilst dodging their duty to build a better society for their customers/staff though tax avoidance. Then that shortfall gets burdened on you to pay though inflation and higher taxes. They influence this system by lobbying and donating politically. We are being conned. How can you steal something from a thief if their gains were ill-gotten in the first place?
I can promise you now if you went into business with me or business with Tesco the latter will be the one that stabs you in the back - it is a feature and not a bug of getting a business to such an unethical scale in size.
I say what I mean and I act by my words. I probably limit myself to things you do daily that are legal yet unethical. [Post edited 13 Mar 2022 19:13]
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No, I think you lack morals for willingly failing to pay for a service that is performing as intended. It’s theft, no ifs or buts.
If you don’t agree with how those providing the service are doing things don’t use it. | | | |
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