| Reality Check........... 00:35 - Apr 3 with 3410 views | quad |
Obviously the quality of football under McKenna has improved considerably under McKenna. Especially in defence.
But we're still in the third division and just lost at home to Cambridge. Fkn Cambridge FFS. A draw would have been a fairer result overall, but they deserve a lot of credit and we cannot say we 100% deserved to win. We've also drawn games that on paper should have been easy wins.
Taking the blue-tinted specs off , are we really as good as we think we are? Is McKenna really the messiah and the next future England manager? Or are we guilty of going just a teeny weeny bit OTT with it all?
We're still toothless in attack and finding it difficult to win games despite being the better team overall and dominating possession. Personally I'm not convinced that we will HMS piss the league next season either. Everyone was saying that at the start of this season too and it hasn't aged well.
Yes, our terrible start under Cook has cost us dearly. However, we could and should have still made the play-offs if we weren't so powder puff up front. So however you dress it up either McKenna or the attacking players have to take some responsibility. Can't all be blamed on Cook though I'm sure it will be.
Don't really understand all the slating that Makin has got on a previous thread asking if any of the attacking players will be gone next season. Think it's a legitimate question.
For me Burns, Celina and Chaplin will all stay next season and have been generally very good. However, I would argue that they were all ineffectual today for whatever reason and that Norwood had a good game overall. So are they part of the problem in certain games by giving the ball away far too cheaply? Is it too easy to blame the strikers? They really don't look like they are getting good service.
If we're going to get an automatic spot next season we will need to improve considerably in the final third. Which strikers could we get who are better than what we have already? They've still got to fit into the system too.
I won't be popular for saying this but Aluko was very poor when he came on today. Clearly a very gifted player but he was trying to be Maradona and beat about 10 players and ended up running into traffic and getting dispossessed far too often. What's he got this season? 3 goals and zero assists? I know he looks scintillating at times but that is still a terrible return for the season even if he has missed games. With his age against him too maybe he will be the one to leave next year?
Tom Carroll was awful today and should never have replaced Bakinson. So McKenna does make mistakes and hasn't made the great escape so he's not Houdini. |  | | |  |
| Reality Check........... on 11:31 - Apr 3 with 781 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Well yes. I’d add that I doubt Celina will be here next season either. And so the cycle of getting in players who have scored 20 and 30 goals elsewhere will continue.
It would be interesting to speculate where Town might have been if Lambo was still here. Despite all the hype and alleged improvement achieved by gutting the squad, the club isn’t quite back to where it was in the table when he was sacked
McKenna knows the trigger will be pulled before Xmas if there isn’t a big improvement - and worst of all the presence of Peterborough usually means one promotion place has gone already. He IS on a learning curve though and probably now realises what works with Man U players might not be successful with 3rd division journeymen. | |
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| Reality Check........... on 11:35 - Apr 3 with 768 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Reality Check........... on 11:30 - Apr 3 by Stewart27 |
“Taking the blue-tinted specs off , are we really as good as we think we are? Is McKenna really the messiah and the next future England manager? Or are we guilty of going just a teeny weeny bit OTT with it all?”
This is all completely in your head. Nobody is going over the top. Just you. |
Altho blue action have already got the managers picture on a banner Have they learned nothing lol.
Nothing good has come from having a managers picture on a banner. |  |
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| Reality Check........... on 11:38 - Apr 3 with 764 views | pointofblue |
| Reality Check........... on 11:30 - Apr 3 by Stewart27 |
“Taking the blue-tinted specs off , are we really as good as we think we are? Is McKenna really the messiah and the next future England manager? Or are we guilty of going just a teeny weeny bit OTT with it all?”
This is all completely in your head. Nobody is going over the top. Just you. |
I’ve already seen posts about how we’re going to be promoted next year, walk the league, bypass Norwich as they get relegated to League One etc. As if we haven’t learned anything from the past three seasons. | |
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| Reality Check........... on 11:43 - Apr 3 with 760 views | Beforeyouwereborn |
Personally I'm glad we won't make the play-offs, I loath the system and now KM can really experiment and use these last few games to give some of the younger players a chance, up front in particular, and try out some fresh tactics rather than the sterile 'one up front' that has consigned us to the third division again. I'm looking forward to Shrewsbury, Wigan, Crewe & Charlton (can't make Rotherham) to see what he has in store for next season. |  | | |
| Reality Check........... on 11:57 - Apr 3 with 742 views | quad |
| Reality Check........... on 11:30 - Apr 3 by Stewart27 |
“Taking the blue-tinted specs off , are we really as good as we think we are? Is McKenna really the messiah and the next future England manager? Or are we guilty of going just a teeny weeny bit OTT with it all?”
This is all completely in your head. Nobody is going over the top. Just you. |
Other posters on other threads have called him a magician and said that he is destined to become the next England manager as he's that good. So IMO others have gone OTT, but you believe what you want to believe. | | | |
| Reality Check........... on 12:43 - Apr 3 with 701 views | Churchman |
| Reality Check........... on 11:57 - Apr 3 by quad |
Other posters on other threads have called him a magician and said that he is destined to become the next England manager as he's that good. So IMO others have gone OTT, but you believe what you want to believe. |
I don’t remember where anyone has called him a magician. Please point me to them. As for next England manager, that was raised by him at the forum. Twitter maybe triggered that, but I don’t bother with it and I don’t recall seeing anyone suggesting that on here.
People have praised his approach, his attitude, his management of the team, PR and the results. Yesterday’s was a poor one, but that doesn’t detract from the good start he’s made or that he looks a better fit for the club, given the direction it’s heading, than his predecessors. |  | | |
| Reality Check........... on 14:09 - Apr 3 with 672 views | LeoMuff |
It’s totally fair to bring some reality to proceedings as there had been a lot of talk of automatic promotions and HMS p1ss the league.
McK has been a breath of fresh air but it’s clear we will need to be better at creating and scoring chances and it’s not just buy a striker simple. We are 6th best team in lg1 in McK 18 games.
Let’s hope we have a decent summer in the transfer market and build on the squad we have. |  |
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| Reality Check........... on 15:26 - Apr 3 with 641 views | timothyeo |
Purposefully kept quiet on McKenna as I've learnt on this forum not following the masses normally ends in abuse.
I had to change account because of the abuse I received online for mentioning that sacking McCarthy would likely be a mistake as we wouldn't attract anyone better. We didn't.
I pointed out Lambert faults upon relegation and then again at the end of the first League One season, only to be insulted some more.
I then called out Cook for significantly underperforming when he took over and became completely disillusioned at the almost cult-like defence he got from some on here when he performed just as badly this season.
Turns out, I was right on all of them. Which isn't the point. The point is rather than ridicule and insult other posters, maybe try to respond and debate properly? You might learn something...
As for McKenna, I'm pleased to a degree. Hes the first manager who hasn't significantly underperformed from arrival in a long time.
I think hes generally met expectations with the form we've had under him. Weve certainly not over-performed and there's a little bit of nagging doubt if he can do any more than just make us hard to beat and rely on our abundance of final third quality (for this division) to grab the one goal, perhaps two, to win a game.
That nagging doubt isn't a big deal to me right now because that might be exactly what we need to get out of this division.
Hes not quite got the balance right, and I'm not sure we will have a better squad next season than what we have now.
Does anyone know how many points we would have if McKennas form was extrapolated across the whole season? | | | |
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| Reality Check........... on 15:31 - Apr 3 with 627 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Reality Check........... on 15:26 - Apr 3 by timothyeo |
Purposefully kept quiet on McKenna as I've learnt on this forum not following the masses normally ends in abuse.
I had to change account because of the abuse I received online for mentioning that sacking McCarthy would likely be a mistake as we wouldn't attract anyone better. We didn't.
I pointed out Lambert faults upon relegation and then again at the end of the first League One season, only to be insulted some more.
I then called out Cook for significantly underperforming when he took over and became completely disillusioned at the almost cult-like defence he got from some on here when he performed just as badly this season.
Turns out, I was right on all of them. Which isn't the point. The point is rather than ridicule and insult other posters, maybe try to respond and debate properly? You might learn something...
As for McKenna, I'm pleased to a degree. Hes the first manager who hasn't significantly underperformed from arrival in a long time.
I think hes generally met expectations with the form we've had under him. Weve certainly not over-performed and there's a little bit of nagging doubt if he can do any more than just make us hard to beat and rely on our abundance of final third quality (for this division) to grab the one goal, perhaps two, to win a game.
That nagging doubt isn't a big deal to me right now because that might be exactly what we need to get out of this division.
Hes not quite got the balance right, and I'm not sure we will have a better squad next season than what we have now.
Does anyone know how many points we would have if McKennas form was extrapolated across the whole season? |
Someone worked it out at around 95 the other day.
We are almost there with the group. We are indeed a 9th place league 1 team which is almost good enough for top 6 but not there yet,
It's hard to say had KM started the season we'd have finished with 95 points etc as we don't know how different the early season would have been with his rotation policy. | |
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| Reality Check........... on 17:22 - Apr 3 with 599 views | LeoMuff |
| Reality Check........... on 15:31 - Apr 3 by FrimleyBlue |
Someone worked it out at around 95 the other day.
We are almost there with the group. We are indeed a 9th place league 1 team which is almost good enough for top 6 but not there yet,
It's hard to say had KM started the season we'd have finished with 95 points etc as we don't know how different the early season would have been with his rotation policy. |
89 points if extrapolated over a season, which is better than I expected, just goes to show how crazy the teams above and around us have been in that time, as we’re are only the 6th best team with that form. | |
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| Reality Check........... on 18:04 - Apr 3 with 575 views | Churchman |
| Reality Check........... on 17:22 - Apr 3 by LeoMuff |
89 points if extrapolated over a season, which is better than I expected, just goes to show how crazy the teams above and around us have been in that time, as we’re are only the 6th best team with that form. |
So, 89 points with a squad not of his choosing. Rubbish! Boooooo! Go, just go!!! What about Warnock! We’d be top with Colin! And all that stuff.
Back to reality.
The division has polarised this season. It’s unusual. We’ve not been good enough from the day Cook turned up a year ago to now. With our resources, we’ve failed. The only exception is the last 3.5 Months. I hoped for a Blackpool style miracle. It never happened because Cook’s squad was a mess and miracles rarely happen.
Should or could KM have done better? I don’t think so. He’s done his best and actually, so have the players. I cannot ask for more than that.
How about learning from what went wrong and improving? A mad concept, a bit old fashioned, no instant success, but I like it. | | | |
| Reality Check........... on 18:15 - Apr 3 with 558 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Reality Check........... on 18:04 - Apr 3 by Churchman |
So, 89 points with a squad not of his choosing. Rubbish! Boooooo! Go, just go!!! What about Warnock! We’d be top with Colin! And all that stuff.
Back to reality.
The division has polarised this season. It’s unusual. We’ve not been good enough from the day Cook turned up a year ago to now. With our resources, we’ve failed. The only exception is the last 3.5 Months. I hoped for a Blackpool style miracle. It never happened because Cook’s squad was a mess and miracles rarely happen.
Should or could KM have done better? I don’t think so. He’s done his best and actually, so have the players. I cannot ask for more than that.
How about learning from what went wrong and improving? A mad concept, a bit old fashioned, no instant success, but I like it. |
I think you've taken the OP the wrong way looking at it. They aren't saying KMs failed etc. They are asking if indeed the squad is good enough to get promoted or if KM has made some errors which is fair to ask.
I don't think you can just use recent results and say over a season it would have been.... as we don't know what injuries or suspensions could have happened which could have effected that outcome.
He's done a solid job. Maybe just maybe abit to cautious and over patient with some players and maybe some haven't been give game time who should have. That's the discussion I think the OP is looking for I think.
I think KM will go on and be very successful. For that to happen there are clearly some areas he needs to sort out as priorities in the summer. We need to win those ugly games. Not just the ones where you eek out a 1-0 win but those you manage to get 3 or 4 against the Cambridge type sides. It probably wouldn't be luxury football but it'll be good to see a mixture of styles amongst the mixture of player roles we seem to have in fixtures. [Post edited 3 Apr 2022 18:22]
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| Reality Check........... on 18:28 - Apr 3 with 546 views | Mullet |
| Reality Check........... on 18:04 - Apr 3 by Churchman |
So, 89 points with a squad not of his choosing. Rubbish! Boooooo! Go, just go!!! What about Warnock! We’d be top with Colin! And all that stuff.
Back to reality.
The division has polarised this season. It’s unusual. We’ve not been good enough from the day Cook turned up a year ago to now. With our resources, we’ve failed. The only exception is the last 3.5 Months. I hoped for a Blackpool style miracle. It never happened because Cook’s squad was a mess and miracles rarely happen.
Should or could KM have done better? I don’t think so. He’s done his best and actually, so have the players. I cannot ask for more than that.
How about learning from what went wrong and improving? A mad concept, a bit old fashioned, no instant success, but I like it. |
I think that fundamentally, he's done as well as is possible with all the constraints and mitigation. Asking for much more in terms of form is ludicrously churlish.
Blaming him because Cook destroyed our season, and McKenna showed him up so easily is the only rationale which explains such complaints. Goldfish memories aside.
This summer will be fascinating because Ashton, via the owners have promised so much and McKenna has laid down a lot of credit with fans for actually doing stuff and not just promising it.
The reality check this weekend is how slim the shot we had was. It's just frustrating that we lost to such a sh1t side to end it and not one of the big boys. |  |
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| Reality Check........... on 18:38 - Apr 3 with 537 views | Churchman |
| Reality Check........... on 18:15 - Apr 3 by FrimleyBlue |
I think you've taken the OP the wrong way looking at it. They aren't saying KMs failed etc. They are asking if indeed the squad is good enough to get promoted or if KM has made some errors which is fair to ask.
I don't think you can just use recent results and say over a season it would have been.... as we don't know what injuries or suspensions could have happened which could have effected that outcome.
He's done a solid job. Maybe just maybe abit to cautious and over patient with some players and maybe some haven't been give game time who should have. That's the discussion I think the OP is looking for I think.
I think KM will go on and be very successful. For that to happen there are clearly some areas he needs to sort out as priorities in the summer. We need to win those ugly games. Not just the ones where you eek out a 1-0 win but those you manage to get 3 or 4 against the Cambridge type sides. It probably wouldn't be luxury football but it'll be good to see a mixture of styles amongst the mixture of player roles we seem to have in fixtures. [Post edited 3 Apr 2022 18:22]
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So what did you expect? 3.5 months of winning every game? A better record than he’s achieved? ‘a bit too cautious and over patient’ - your words suggest that. Fine. Your view. I think differently. In the context of the wreckage Evans and the muppets he employed left - including Cook, KM has done well.
I’m not saying KM is the Messiah or the perfect manager in any way shape or form. He has a lot to learn, just as anyone does when they take a step up. We belong in this division. We deserve to be exactly where we are. No higher. We’ve been a definition of a cr@p club for years which is why few clubs in the last 20 years have done worse.
But not now and that’s why KM came here. That’s why the crowd was what it was. We will get there with or without KM, but our best bet is to give him some space to do the job. Just an opinion. | | | |
| Reality Check........... on 18:45 - Apr 3 with 533 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Reality Check........... on 18:38 - Apr 3 by Churchman |
So what did you expect? 3.5 months of winning every game? A better record than he’s achieved? ‘a bit too cautious and over patient’ - your words suggest that. Fine. Your view. I think differently. In the context of the wreckage Evans and the muppets he employed left - including Cook, KM has done well.
I’m not saying KM is the Messiah or the perfect manager in any way shape or form. He has a lot to learn, just as anyone does when they take a step up. We belong in this division. We deserve to be exactly where we are. No higher. We’ve been a definition of a cr@p club for years which is why few clubs in the last 20 years have done worse.
But not now and that’s why KM came here. That’s why the crowd was what it was. We will get there with or without KM, but our best bet is to give him some space to do the job. Just an opinion. |
I haven't said we should be winning every game. Far from it.
As mentioned in another thread when you look back through the games has he been a tad cautious when he didn't need to be. I.e no penney instead of thompson.. absolutely defensively it may have had a negative effect but possibly on the attacking side it may have helped. Its not a right or wrong however its more of a what if I suppose.
I'm sure he himself will wonder what has gone right and wrong and he'll learn from it as you say. There's no harm in us as fans wondering the same thing. | |
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