| Patel’s claim that critics of the Rwanda plan have no solution… 13:22 - Apr 18 with 3673 views | pointofblue |
I’m sure we can prove her wrong on here! |  |
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| Patel’s claim that critics of the Rwanda plan have no solution… on 19:06 - Apr 18 with 1642 views | pointofblue |
| Patel’s claim that critics of the Rwanda plan have no solution… on 18:02 - Apr 18 by You_Bloo_Right |
No harm in my asking again I suppose.
What, exactly, is the problem we are trying to solve? |
The immigrant boat journeys across the channel. | |
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| Patel’s claim that critics of the Rwanda plan have no solution… on 19:32 - Apr 18 with 1614 views | Darth_Koont |
| Patel’s claim that critics of the Rwanda plan have no solution… on 18:15 - Apr 18 by factual_blue |
The potential collapse of the tory vote at the upcoming local elections. |
Indeed.
As you said in your first post, there isn’t a real problem to solve. Not one that’s beyond a modern democracy and economy of 65 million people at any rate.
This is a political “problem” pure and simple. |  |
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| Patel’s claim that critics of the Rwanda plan have no solution… on 19:53 - Apr 18 with 1591 views | eireblue |
| Patel’s claim that critics of the Rwanda plan have no solution… on 19:06 - Apr 18 by pointofblue |
The immigrant boat journeys across the channel. |
The new policy doesn’t stop that. |  | | |
| Patel’s claim that critics of the Rwanda plan have no solution… on 20:03 - Apr 18 with 1581 views | pointofblue |
| Patel’s claim that critics of the Rwanda plan have no solution… on 19:53 - Apr 18 by eireblue |
The new policy doesn’t stop that. |
The idea is it's supposed to reduce the number of people who want to risk taking the journey. Supposedly. | |
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| Patel’s claim that critics of the Rwanda plan have no solution… on 20:12 - Apr 18 with 1571 views | eireblue |
| Patel’s claim that critics of the Rwanda plan have no solution… on 20:03 - Apr 18 by pointofblue |
The idea is it's supposed to reduce the number of people who want to risk taking the journey. Supposedly. |
That won’t work.
The policy is supposed to stop “criminal gangs”
Criminals are not deterred by the punishment. There is plenty of scientific evidence and studies for this. Criminals are deterred by the chances of getting caught.
There is no punishment for criminal gangs, only the victims of the gangs.
It is a stupid policy, the aims are stupid, it makes no logical sense, there is no evidence to suggest it will reduce numbers to justify the cost.
Priti Patel was the genius that boasted about the decline in shoplifting, during the first lock down.
What makes you think it is a good idea? | | | |
| Patel’s claim that critics of the Rwanda plan have no solution… on 20:19 - Apr 18 with 1566 views | factual_blue |
| Patel’s claim that critics of the Rwanda plan have no solution… on 20:03 - Apr 18 by pointofblue |
The idea is it's supposed to reduce the number of people who want to risk taking the journey. Supposedly. |
And as preety's Permanent Secretary pointed out to her, there is no evidence at all it will do that. |  |
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| Patel’s claim that critics of the Rwanda plan have no solution… on 20:21 - Apr 18 with 1564 views | jeera |
| Patel’s claim that critics of the Rwanda plan have no solution… on 20:12 - Apr 18 by eireblue |
That won’t work.
The policy is supposed to stop “criminal gangs”
Criminals are not deterred by the punishment. There is plenty of scientific evidence and studies for this. Criminals are deterred by the chances of getting caught.
There is no punishment for criminal gangs, only the victims of the gangs.
It is a stupid policy, the aims are stupid, it makes no logical sense, there is no evidence to suggest it will reduce numbers to justify the cost.
Priti Patel was the genius that boasted about the decline in shoplifting, during the first lock down.
What makes you think it is a good idea? |
Bit harsh on the person who brought us the concept of preventing counter-terrorism. |  |
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| Patel’s claim that critics of the Rwanda plan have no solution… on 20:26 - Apr 18 with 1546 views | pointofblue |
| Patel’s claim that critics of the Rwanda plan have no solution… on 20:12 - Apr 18 by eireblue |
That won’t work.
The policy is supposed to stop “criminal gangs”
Criminals are not deterred by the punishment. There is plenty of scientific evidence and studies for this. Criminals are deterred by the chances of getting caught.
There is no punishment for criminal gangs, only the victims of the gangs.
It is a stupid policy, the aims are stupid, it makes no logical sense, there is no evidence to suggest it will reduce numbers to justify the cost.
Priti Patel was the genius that boasted about the decline in shoplifting, during the first lock down.
What makes you think it is a good idea? |
The idea is less people will take the risk of paying the criminals if they think they won't be allowed to stay here.
The plans on page one are far better than anything dreamed up by Patel and co though. | |
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| Patel’s claim that critics of the Rwanda plan have no solution… on 20:33 - Apr 18 with 1540 views | jeera |
| Patel’s claim that critics of the Rwanda plan have no solution… on 18:28 - Apr 18 by factual_blue |
I used to have to go to Lowestoft for work far too often.
With an extended programme of counselling, I've now more or less recovered. |
And the residents of Lowestoft?
How are they getting on? | |
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| Patel’s claim that critics of the Rwanda plan have no solution… on 20:39 - Apr 18 with 1531 views | factual_blue |
| Patel’s claim that critics of the Rwanda plan have no solution… on 20:26 - Apr 18 by pointofblue |
The idea is less people will take the risk of paying the criminals if they think they won't be allowed to stay here.
The plans on page one are far better than anything dreamed up by Patel and co though. |
Is there any evidence for that either? Is there any evidence the immigrants know anything about coming to the UK other than what the criminal gangs tell them? Is there any evidence the criminal gangs will tell them about the Rwanda add-on excursion? Is it in their interests to tell them?
I'd venture to say that the criminal gangs will come up with ways to minimise the risks of Rwanda. As only single men are likely to be faced with Rwanda, they'll charge more and insist the immigrants have a partner/dependent with them.
That's certainly what Factual Personal Relocation Services (in partnership with MooseBoats Speedboats and Dinghies) will be recommending. | |
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| Patel’s claim that critics of the Rwanda plan have no solution… on 20:39 - Apr 18 with 1526 views | Freddies_Ears |
| Patel’s claim that critics of the Rwanda plan have no solution… on 14:37 - Apr 18 by footers |
I say we bomb the Isle of Man and send 'em all there. Including many unsavoury current UK residents. |
Um, you just p*ssed off 20,000 bikers. Hmmm.... | | | |
| Patel’s claim that critics of the Rwanda plan have no solution… on 20:39 - Apr 18 with 1525 views | factual_blue |
| Patel’s claim that critics of the Rwanda plan have no solution… on 20:33 - Apr 18 by jeera |
And the residents of Lowestoft?
How are they getting on? |
They were beyond help in the first place. | |
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| Patel’s claim that critics of the Rwanda plan have no solution… on 20:41 - Apr 18 with 1518 views | eireblue |
| Patel’s claim that critics of the Rwanda plan have no solution… on 20:26 - Apr 18 by pointofblue |
The idea is less people will take the risk of paying the criminals if they think they won't be allowed to stay here.
The plans on page one are far better than anything dreamed up by Patel and co though. |
That’s true and known now.
There is no guarantee of beings accepted into the U.K.
You think people in a dingy aren’t aware that what they are doing is not quite official?
As you said, there are better ideas on a message board for a football club, than exist within this Government. | | | |
| Patel’s claim that critics of the Rwanda plan have no solution… on 20:50 - Apr 18 with 1514 views | HARRY10 |
| Patel’s claim that critics of the Rwanda plan have no solution… on 16:32 - Apr 18 by SonOfSpock |
Would tend to agree - it would be nice to have something concrete from the opposition parties about this or any other issues of the day as opposed to the generic spend more/lockdown earlier/lockdown harder and hindsightedness.
Even Labour have looked into offshore processing in the past with Mr. Blunkett so not necessarily a new or 'right wing' idea. |
As if the ignorance of Fabricant, Dorries, Curry and the stick insect was not enough, up pops another rightie(troll) to confirm righties stupidity.
Perhaps this righty might care to check the Dublin Accord and how the UK being out of the EU cannot 'send 'em back to the EU no more
Brexit - the collective stupidity of righties made manifest | | | |
| Patel’s claim that critics of the Rwanda plan have no solution… on 21:53 - Apr 18 with 1492 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| Patel’s claim that critics of the Rwanda plan have no solution… on 19:06 - Apr 18 by pointofblue |
The immigrant boat journeys across the channel. |
Just to put some numbers on it I believe last year some 28,000 people made such a journey. Historically most of those arriving in this way seek asylum and about 70% are granted that status (some after appeal).
And yes something needs to be done. It's a daily humanitarian crisis and this country should be doing more to stop asylum seekers having to undertake such a perilous journey.
It would cost about £2m in fares to allow these people to travel with DFDS. Add in a small admin fee and we're still saving not only the £120m "pump-priming" payment to Rwanda but also the £54m a year we give to France to pay for increased Channel patrols.
AND it completely undermines the "business model" of the criminal trafficking gangs.
Edit: To make this more palatable for the party of private enterprise we could charge the asylum seekers the fare. It'll be less than they pay the traffickers I'm sure. [Post edited 18 Apr 2022 21:59]
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| Patel’s claim that critics of the Rwanda plan have no solution… on 22:39 - Apr 18 with 1461 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Patel’s claim that critics of the Rwanda plan have no solution… on 20:21 - Apr 18 by jeera |
Bit harsh on the person who brought us the concept of preventing counter-terrorism. |
She has even failed to stop counter-terrorism, hasn't she? |  |
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| Patel’s claim that critics of the Rwanda plan have no solution… on 22:41 - Apr 18 with 1454 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Patel’s claim that critics of the Rwanda plan have no solution… on 20:03 - Apr 18 by pointofblue |
The idea is it's supposed to reduce the number of people who want to risk taking the journey. Supposedly. |
That is easy t solve.
Actually ensure there are safe and legal routes for people to come to the country as asylum seekers and refugees.
As much as JRM says these already exist, the charities working with these say they don't. I know who I think is more likely to know/be telling the truth! | |
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| Patel’s claim that critics of the Rwanda plan have no solution… on 22:43 - Apr 18 with 1449 views | SonOfSpock |
| Patel’s claim that critics of the Rwanda plan have no solution… on 20:50 - Apr 18 by HARRY10 |
As if the ignorance of Fabricant, Dorries, Curry and the stick insect was not enough, up pops another rightie(troll) to confirm righties stupidity.
Perhaps this righty might care to check the Dublin Accord and how the UK being out of the EU cannot 'send 'em back to the EU no more
Brexit - the collective stupidity of righties made manifest |
I'm a righty troll?
Ok, if you say so Harry. |  | | |
| Patel’s claim that critics of the Rwanda plan have no solution… on 09:20 - Apr 19 with 1343 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Patel’s claim that critics of the Rwanda plan have no solution… on 20:41 - Apr 18 by eireblue |
That’s true and known now.
There is no guarantee of beings accepted into the U.K.
You think people in a dingy aren’t aware that what they are doing is not quite official?
As you said, there are better ideas on a message board for a football club, than exist within this Government. |
No-one's saying they think it's official, so you're making a straw man there.
What's being said is there's a very good chance these people don't know that when they arrive at the UK they'll be immediately shipped off to Rwanda. |  |
| Trust the process. Trust Phil. |
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| Patel’s claim that critics of the Rwanda plan have no solution… on 13:33 - Apr 19 with 1287 views | eireblue |
| Patel’s claim that critics of the Rwanda plan have no solution… on 09:20 - Apr 19 by The_Flashing_Smile |
No-one's saying they think it's official, so you're making a straw man there.
What's being said is there's a very good chance these people don't know that when they arrive at the UK they'll be immediately shipped off to Rwanda. |
Yes, that is the point I was attempting to make. Was trying to do the sarcasm/irony type thing there.
But yes you have effectively identified it is the Government that are making a straw man argument.
It is ridiculous to think someone in Syria is checking the BBC and home office web site, when considering how to get out of their current situation.
Just like the ridiculous forms and proof that is an possibly still is needed by people seeking refuge from the Ukraine.
You can imagine that Priti thinks a family is sitting around the kitchen table, checking out the various brochures from companies such as “Elite People Movers”, and “Illegal Entry Specialists” and taking references and checking web-sites, and come to a conclusion “hmmmm, not sure EPM discounted rate and cash back guarantee is worth considering in light of the pushing back boats policy of the U.K. government, oh hang on, now it’s changed to flights to Rwanda, hmmmm…what do we think, run from persecution, or pop out to the shop for more cheese. | | | |
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