| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 11:56 - Feb 18 with 1507 views | EdwardStone |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 08:41 - Feb 18 by Churchman |
Thank you to EIreannach for starting this thread and continuing it throughout this dreadful war. Within it are some interesting views and an ongoing commentary on what will be seen in the future as a seismic event in changing the world’s political and military landscape. |
This thread has been fascinating and useful
I have also found this resource invaluable
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5275956-ukraine-invasion-part-54?page=5&r
Huge amounts of collated info and some real life info from ex USAF pilot, former Army officers, Ukrainian citizens etc [Post edited 18 Feb 13:21]
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| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 12:54 - Feb 18 with 1451 views | bluejacko |
Lots of info out there instead of reading and listening to MSM ‘defence’ experts🙄 |  | | |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 21:10 - Feb 18 with 1357 views | WeWereZombies |
Interesting medium length read from Jeremy Bowen:
BBC News - Jeremy Bowen: No sign of a quick peace dividend for Trump in Ukraine
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg151j5504o
The end of paragraph just before the first photo about some armoured vehicles flying the red Soviet flag instead of the current Russian flag is interesting, division in the ranks ? And the long retired Soviet officer living in Ukraine who believes that giving into Putin is the worst thing to do. [Post edited 18 Feb 21:22]
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| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 07:40 - Feb 19 with 1256 views | Churchman |
We are now told by MrTrump that the war was stated by Ukraine and that ‘they could have made a deal’. Ok, I fully expect to see Zelenski on trial for his life for causing all those deaths. For causing Russia to have to bombard Ukraine and commit all those massacres.
Alternatively, what would Trump say if Mexico invaded southern US to claim its old land? Would he apologise for causing Mexico to do it?
This is insane. |  | | |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 07:50 - Feb 19 with 1249 views | bluejacko |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 07:40 - Feb 19 by Churchman |
We are now told by MrTrump that the war was stated by Ukraine and that ‘they could have made a deal’. Ok, I fully expect to see Zelenski on trial for his life for causing all those deaths. For causing Russia to have to bombard Ukraine and commit all those massacres.
Alternatively, what would Trump say if Mexico invaded southern US to claim its old land? Would he apologise for causing Mexico to do it?
This is insane. |
I’ve said elsewhere that this will become the narrative,watch the MSM jump all over it and say IF Ukraine started it why should we continue to support them?
As things are going I would really not be surprised if Ukraine says sod this and build there own bomb,scary I know BUT! | | | |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 08:02 - Feb 19 with 1242 views | Herbivore |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 07:50 - Feb 19 by bluejacko |
I’ve said elsewhere that this will become the narrative,watch the MSM jump all over it and say IF Ukraine started it why should we continue to support them?
As things are going I would really not be surprised if Ukraine says sod this and build there own bomb,scary I know BUT! |
The mainstream media is generally very critical of Trump (in the UK and Europe at least) and call out his bullsh!t. What makes you think they'll push the line that Ukraine started the war when they've been almost universally supportive of Ukraine? I'd be much more worried about the narratives that'll be pushed on X to be honest. |  |
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| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 08:40 - Feb 19 with 1194 views | bluejacko |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 08:02 - Feb 19 by Herbivore |
The mainstream media is generally very critical of Trump (in the UK and Europe at least) and call out his bullsh!t. What makes you think they'll push the line that Ukraine started the war when they've been almost universally supportive of Ukraine? I'd be much more worried about the narratives that'll be pushed on X to be honest. |
Fair points and hopefully you are right🤞but even some countries in Europe are not actually friendly to Ukraine are they? Trump is now parroting the Kremlin line that Ukraine should have elections before ‘peace’ talks although how is that possible with 18% of your country occupied by an invading army🤔 [Post edited 19 Feb 9:50]
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| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 08:59 - Feb 19 with 1165 views | Churchman |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 08:40 - Feb 19 by bluejacko |
Fair points and hopefully you are right🤞but even some countries in Europe are not actually friendly to Ukraine are they? Trump is now parroting the Kremlin line that Ukraine should have elections before ‘peace’ talks although how is that possible with 18% of your country occupied by an invading army🤔 [Post edited 19 Feb 9:50]
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Trump justifying Russia’s invasion? It’s the same as the victim of assault being told they asked for it.
As for elections, I’m amazed that sack of sht Lavrov could keep a straight face coming out with that one given how ‘elections’ work in Russia. I presume when an opponent to Putin falls out of a 10 storey building his death is his fault for not learning to fly quick enough.
Navalny? His murder in a gulag was his fault because he didn’t eat his greens.
This ‘normalising’ of Putin, back in the international fold, statesman, deal maker, equal makes me sick. He’s a murdering bit of dirt who should be killed or at worst continue to be treated as the pariah he is. But then the so called ‘leader of the free world’ (now there’s a joke) is little better.
At least Trump hasn’t murdered 1000s of people - yet. No doubt if he ethnically cleanses Gaza, there will be an additional kiss on Putin’s Christmas Card. [Post edited 19 Feb 9:02]
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| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 12:12 - Mar 1 with 843 views | Eireannach_gorm |
Vance ( the anti Europe ideologist ) started the sh1t show. Seem to be planned to humiliate Zelenskyy having him interjecting.
Zelenskyy: Have you ever been to Ukraine that you are saying what problems we have?
Vance: I’ve actually watched and seen the stories and I know what happens is you bring people, you bring them on a propaganda tour, Mr. President. Do you disagree that you’ve had problems with bringing people into your military? And do you think that is respectful for— |  | | |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 16:19 - Apr 2 with 533 views | Churchman |
Well, with the Balkans, Baltics and Poland to take and a wartime economy to back it, the only peace he’s interested in is a piece of Western Europe. | | | |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 18:05 - May 2 with 279 views | Eireannach_gorm |
Wow. Rates in lowness with the drone attacks targeted on individual civilians walking in the streets. | | | |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 11:39 - May 4 with 127 views | mellowblue |
I'm dubious on this. The relative speed differences between a drone and a fighter plane are huge. Missile locking on a plane and taking it out is one thing, but a drone, really ? I don't see it, some one explain it to me. It would have to be a bit of a fluke. | | | |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 11:41 - May 4 with 123 views | StokieBlue |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 11:39 - May 4 by mellowblue |
I'm dubious on this. The relative speed differences between a drone and a fighter plane are huge. Missile locking on a plane and taking it out is one thing, but a drone, really ? I don't see it, some one explain it to me. It would have to be a bit of a fluke. |
Why would relative speeds matter?
The relative speed of a land based missile is zero when it's launched from a static launcher, it's the missile that is faster than the jet, not the launch platform.
Agree we need more information but it's far from impossible to hit a plane with a missile from virtually any initial launch platform.
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| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 13:19 - May 4 with 71 views | mellowblue |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 11:41 - May 4 by StokieBlue |
Why would relative speeds matter?
The relative speed of a land based missile is zero when it's launched from a static launcher, it's the missile that is faster than the jet, not the launch platform.
Agree we need more information but it's far from impossible to hit a plane with a missile from virtually any initial launch platform.
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don't see it, a guided missile can chase after a plane, or intercept it etc, how is a drone doing that. The plane would literally have to blunder into it to give the drone a chance of a hit. | | | |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 13:34 - May 4 with 65 views | bluejacko |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 13:19 - May 4 by mellowblue |
don't see it, a guided missile can chase after a plane, or intercept it etc, how is a drone doing that. The plane would literally have to blunder into it to give the drone a chance of a hit. |
Some drone boats have been converted/ built to take AAM missiles! That’s what bought down at least one SU30 over the Black Sea👍
https://www.twz.com/news-features/two-russian-su-30-flankers-downed-by-aim-9s-fi [Post edited 4 May 13:36]
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| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 13:43 - May 4 with 57 views | Kievthegreat |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 13:19 - May 4 by mellowblue |
don't see it, a guided missile can chase after a plane, or intercept it etc, how is a drone doing that. The plane would literally have to blunder into it to give the drone a chance of a hit. |
The plane was shot by a guided missile, but it was launched from a small unmanned boat.
Allegedly at this point of course. |  | | |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 13:46 - May 4 with 46 views | mellowblue |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 13:43 - May 4 by Kievthegreat |
The plane was shot by a guided missile, but it was launched from a small unmanned boat.
Allegedly at this point of course. |
Ah that makes perfect sense. Sounds logical. | | | |
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