| Should we take the Russians threats seriously 19:38 - Apr 27 with 6889 views | Bobsthename |
Lately i’ve read the Russians have nuclear bomb that can hit the UK and cause massive loss of lives probably wipe most of the UK out,I was wondering do we have anything in our arsenal in the way of nuclear bombs to deter them from their threats because i see we are thinking about provoking them by giving them more military equipment even planes.
Thoughts? [Post edited 27 Apr 2022 19:38]
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| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 15:18 - Apr 28 with 1270 views | urbanblue |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 21:54 - Apr 27 by Dubtractor |
I'm planning on getting a ST for next season, for the first time in years, but I'm holding off for a few weeks, just in case. |
Knowing our luck the end of the world will come when we're top of the league and one game away from promotion ... |  | | |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 15:26 - Apr 28 with 1253 views | baxterbasics |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 14:51 - Apr 28 by eastangliaisblue |
I've already explained to my wife and kids if NATO ends up in a war with Russia we are withdrawing our money from the bank and flying to Chile asap. I actually mean it as well. That may seem a bit hysterical but I honestly believe if it comes to us going to war with Russia a nuke will be used by them. |
Why Chile? Is that expected to be the last place to starve/freeze in the nuclear winter that follows? |  |
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| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 15:42 - Apr 28 with 1241 views | DanTheMan |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 15:26 - Apr 28 by baxterbasics |
Why Chile? Is that expected to be the last place to starve/freeze in the nuclear winter that follows? |
If nuclear war breaks out we all die so your options basically are:
1) Die quickly
2) Die slowly |  |
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| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 15:43 - Apr 28 with 1244 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 14:51 - Apr 28 by eastangliaisblue |
I've already explained to my wife and kids if NATO ends up in a war with Russia we are withdrawing our money from the bank and flying to Chile asap. I actually mean it as well. That may seem a bit hysterical but I honestly believe if it comes to us going to war with Russia a nuke will be used by them. |
If this ends in a NATO/Russian war there will be a run on the banks, and 95% of commercial aviation will be grounded.
You won't be flying anywhere, except backwards as the result of a pressure wave. [Post edited 28 Apr 2022 15:44]
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| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 15:48 - Apr 28 with 1231 views | baxterbasics |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 15:43 - Apr 28 by Cheltenham_Blue |
If this ends in a NATO/Russian war there will be a run on the banks, and 95% of commercial aviation will be grounded.
You won't be flying anywhere, except backwards as the result of a pressure wave. [Post edited 28 Apr 2022 15:44]
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No time for any of that, if the news of Russia/NATO was even makes it to the airwaves before it's too late, you probably don't even have time to pack a suitcase before the first flash appears in the distance. | |
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| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 15:51 - Apr 28 with 1230 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 15:48 - Apr 28 by baxterbasics |
No time for any of that, if the news of Russia/NATO was even makes it to the airwaves before it's too late, you probably don't even have time to pack a suitcase before the first flash appears in the distance. |
Here's how to really terrify yourself.
https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/ | |
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| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 15:57 - Apr 28 with 1216 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 15:48 - Apr 28 by baxterbasics |
No time for any of that, if the news of Russia/NATO was even makes it to the airwaves before it's too late, you probably don't even have time to pack a suitcase before the first flash appears in the distance. |
Not in the distance for me. More like directly over my house.
I'm right next door to GCHQ, in the event of a full exchange, I likely won't even get to know it happened. | |
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| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 16:04 - Apr 28 with 1204 views | giant_stow |
I know nothing, but was a bit worried when one of our guys (Heapey?) sounded off the other day about supporting Ukrainian attacks on supply lines in Russia.
If that's fair game, and you're a Russian, aren't Russian attacks on Western supply lines in Nato territory also fair game? And if they do that, we're half way there to WWW3. |  |
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| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 16:05 - Apr 28 with 1196 views | baxterbasics |
Oh this is brilliant. No work getting done by me for the rest of the day.
I started with a modest 0.5MT at Sizewell. I'm a few miles outside of even the light blast damage zone, and if it happens right now the wind is blowing out to sea, hurrah! Only 3200 estimated fatalities, which seems very conservative to me, even with the area not being densely populated.
I'm still not all that terrified because even with what's currently going down, I don't believe either Putin or our own side will make a first strike call at any level.
I do believe by sheer weight of probability that in my lifetime there will likely be either an accident or (more likely) a detonation by a rogue/terrorist actor. Which will be devastating, but not world ending. | |
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| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 16:10 - Apr 28 with 1187 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 16:04 - Apr 28 by giant_stow |
I know nothing, but was a bit worried when one of our guys (Heapey?) sounded off the other day about supporting Ukrainian attacks on supply lines in Russia.
If that's fair game, and you're a Russian, aren't Russian attacks on Western supply lines in Nato territory also fair game? And if they do that, we're half way there to WWW3. |
By 'supporting' Ukraininan attacks in Russia, he was talking about agreeing that it was legitimate for Ukraine to do that. Not joining in with them.
Currently Ukraine are at war with Russia and so have a right to defend themselves including with attacks on supply lines within the aggressors territorial limits. Russia could, under international law, (not that they pay attention to it, but still), attack supply lines in Ukrainian territory.
But to attack them on NATO territory would be an attack on a NATO country and so clause 5 would be invoked, and WWIII would start. | |
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| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 16:11 - Apr 28 with 1182 views | Mookamoo |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 16:05 - Apr 28 by baxterbasics |
Oh this is brilliant. No work getting done by me for the rest of the day.
I started with a modest 0.5MT at Sizewell. I'm a few miles outside of even the light blast damage zone, and if it happens right now the wind is blowing out to sea, hurrah! Only 3200 estimated fatalities, which seems very conservative to me, even with the area not being densely populated.
I'm still not all that terrified because even with what's currently going down, I don't believe either Putin or our own side will make a first strike call at any level.
I do believe by sheer weight of probability that in my lifetime there will likely be either an accident or (more likely) a detonation by a rogue/terrorist actor. Which will be devastating, but not world ending. |
I was reading the other day about how the west continually under estimate what Putin will do. There have been too many instances when we thought he wouldn't dare do a thing and he then goes and does it.
If we continually send equipment to Ukraine that nullify his conventional weapons then it should be no surprise when he tries something different. I'm not suggesting we stop sending military aid, just that we need to have a realistic understanding of what he will do next, because he won't just stop. |  | | |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 16:14 - Apr 28 with 1172 views | giant_stow |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 16:10 - Apr 28 by Cheltenham_Blue |
By 'supporting' Ukraininan attacks in Russia, he was talking about agreeing that it was legitimate for Ukraine to do that. Not joining in with them.
Currently Ukraine are at war with Russia and so have a right to defend themselves including with attacks on supply lines within the aggressors territorial limits. Russia could, under international law, (not that they pay attention to it, but still), attack supply lines in Ukrainian territory.
But to attack them on NATO territory would be an attack on a NATO country and so clause 5 would be invoked, and WWIII would start. |
Totally agree that Ukrainian attacks in Russia are legitimate. Just we need to box a little more clever about public statements supporting / agreeing with that. Maybe I'm giving too much credence to the Russian response / threats, but it just seems a clear path to massive escalation. | |
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| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 16:16 - Apr 28 with 1169 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 16:11 - Apr 28 by Mookamoo |
I was reading the other day about how the west continually under estimate what Putin will do. There have been too many instances when we thought he wouldn't dare do a thing and he then goes and does it.
If we continually send equipment to Ukraine that nullify his conventional weapons then it should be no surprise when he tries something different. I'm not suggesting we stop sending military aid, just that we need to have a realistic understanding of what he will do next, because he won't just stop. |
"just that we need to have a realistic understanding of what he will do next, because he won't just stop."
But thats just it, we have no idea what he will do next, because he genuinely seems to be off his nut | |
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| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 16:23 - Apr 28 with 1158 views | Leaky |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 15:57 - Apr 28 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Not in the distance for me. More like directly over my house.
I'm right next door to GCHQ, in the event of a full exchange, I likely won't even get to know it happened. |
I wouldn't last long either, being 6 miles from RAF Molesworth. I would just sit on the lawn trying neck as much Ghost Ship as possible waiting the big bang. |  | | |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 16:26 - Apr 28 with 1154 views | blueasfook |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 14:51 - Apr 28 by eastangliaisblue |
I've already explained to my wife and kids if NATO ends up in a war with Russia we are withdrawing our money from the bank and flying to Chile asap. I actually mean it as well. That may seem a bit hysterical but I honestly believe if it comes to us going to war with Russia a nuke will be used by them. |
North America will be nuked the sh1t out of so I dont think South America will be an ideal place to be.
Geographically, your best bet is Southern Hemisphere. New Zealand or some remote island in the Southern Ocean.
Having said that, if 1000s of nukes are detonated then the whole planet will suffer a nuclear winter for about 10 years afterwards so nowhere really will be nice to live. |  |
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| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 16:31 - Apr 28 with 1149 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 16:14 - Apr 28 by giant_stow |
Totally agree that Ukrainian attacks in Russia are legitimate. Just we need to box a little more clever about public statements supporting / agreeing with that. Maybe I'm giving too much credence to the Russian response / threats, but it just seems a clear path to massive escalation. |
I think the opposite. We really do, (and when I say 'we' I mean all western democracies), need to start upping the anti on Putin. We farted about and practiced our curtsy over Crimea and now look.
We need him to start wondering how far we might go to support Ukraine, because the tactic he is playing now is trying to get us all to back off so he can take The Donbas uninhibited.
If we do that, the rest of Ukraine will follow six or seven years later, and after that, he's on the border of Poland.
If he's going to press the button, he'll press it irrespective of what we say. | |
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| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 16:36 - Apr 28 with 1131 views | Mookamoo |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 16:16 - Apr 28 by Cheltenham_Blue |
"just that we need to have a realistic understanding of what he will do next, because he won't just stop."
But thats just it, we have no idea what he will do next, because he genuinely seems to be off his nut |
I don't think he is just off his nut. He is very calculated and has a playbook. In which is feigning of an attack in order to retaliate. Truss speaking about sending planes and sanctioning attacks on Russia with UK weapons is only going to help his narrative. He has repeatedly said he will use whatever weapons he has and we should believe he will. | | | |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 16:40 - Apr 28 with 1112 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 16:36 - Apr 28 by Mookamoo |
I don't think he is just off his nut. He is very calculated and has a playbook. In which is feigning of an attack in order to retaliate. Truss speaking about sending planes and sanctioning attacks on Russia with UK weapons is only going to help his narrative. He has repeatedly said he will use whatever weapons he has and we should believe he will. |
Anyone prepared to launch a first strike against a NATO country, whilst assured mutual destruction exists, is categorically, and without question, off their nut. | |
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| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 16:50 - Apr 28 with 1105 views | Mookamoo |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 16:40 - Apr 28 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Anyone prepared to launch a first strike against a NATO country, whilst assured mutual destruction exists, is categorically, and without question, off their nut. |
I'm not suggesting he will use nuclear weapons against a NATO country first. He will use one against a Ukrainian city to try and force them to accept the loss of the Donbas.
That will be the EU's Jack Palance 'pick up the gun' moment. If they then fully mobilise then it could go very wrong. | | | |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 16:54 - Apr 28 with 1098 views | NthQldITFC |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 21:54 - Apr 27 by Dubtractor |
I'm planning on getting a ST for next season, for the first time in years, but I'm holding off for a few weeks, just in case. |
On the assumption that they'll go for London first, I'm moving to the South Stand, which may sound oxymoronic given that I'm moving closer to ground zero, but I'm banking on the tin behind me shielding me from the α and β radiation. I don't believe γ is actually a thing (unless you're a gammon) and I've used enough Shock Wave on my hair (as was) so I ought to be immune to that. What does that leave?
Actually that may all be oxymoronic, with or without the oxy. Apologies, I've been guzzling iodine all afternoon. |  |
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| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 18:01 - Apr 28 with 1054 views | eastangliaisblue |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 15:26 - Apr 28 by baxterbasics |
Why Chile? Is that expected to be the last place to starve/freeze in the nuclear winter that follows? |
I'd like to think after NATO have retaliated with a nuke, Putin may see sense and no more would be launched. I'd choose Chile because it's a country you could make a comfortable life in. Any nukes being launched would all be in the Northern Hemisphere, so I'd be about as far away as you can be. I would of chosen New Zealand but they're seen as an unfriendly country by Russia. |  | | |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 18:03 - Apr 28 with 1052 views | eastangliaisblue |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 15:43 - Apr 28 by Cheltenham_Blue |
If this ends in a NATO/Russian war there will be a run on the banks, and 95% of commercial aviation will be grounded.
You won't be flying anywhere, except backwards as the result of a pressure wave. [Post edited 28 Apr 2022 15:44]
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I personally think they'd be a month or so of actual war before the madman pressed the big red button. That would be my chance to get the hell out of here. | | | |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 18:03 - Apr 28 with 1050 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 16:50 - Apr 28 by Mookamoo |
I'm not suggesting he will use nuclear weapons against a NATO country first. He will use one against a Ukrainian city to try and force them to accept the loss of the Donbas.
That will be the EU's Jack Palance 'pick up the gun' moment. If they then fully mobilise then it could go very wrong. |
If he uses a Nuke in anger, then things have already gone very wrong. The world won't stand by an watch that without a response.
If we do, a North Korean nuke will drop on Tokyo within months, safe in the knowledge that we won't respond with Japan not in NATO and there being no threat of Clause 5 being invoked.
Nuclear deterrents aren't any use if you aren't prepared to use them. | |
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| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 18:12 - Apr 28 with 1042 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 18:01 - Apr 28 by eastangliaisblue |
I'd like to think after NATO have retaliated with a nuke, Putin may see sense and no more would be launched. I'd choose Chile because it's a country you could make a comfortable life in. Any nukes being launched would all be in the Northern Hemisphere, so I'd be about as far away as you can be. I would of chosen New Zealand but they're seen as an unfriendly country by Russia. |
If Chile are seen as 'friendly' toward Russia, that may not go so well for you. | |
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| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 18:24 - Apr 28 with 1030 views | eastangliaisblue |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 18:12 - Apr 28 by Cheltenham_Blue |
If Chile are seen as 'friendly' toward Russia, that may not go so well for you. |
They're not seen as friendly, Chile have come out denouncing Russia. Obviously not being part of the Anglosphere it's a safer option! Lets just hope none of us have to ever make that sort of decision. It certainly makes you appreciate what refugees are going through on a daily basis all around the world. | | | |
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