| Should we take the Russians threats seriously 19:38 - Apr 27 with 6895 views | Bobsthename |
Lately i’ve read the Russians have nuclear bomb that can hit the UK and cause massive loss of lives probably wipe most of the UK out,I was wondering do we have anything in our arsenal in the way of nuclear bombs to deter them from their threats because i see we are thinking about provoking them by giving them more military equipment even planes.
Thoughts? [Post edited 27 Apr 2022 19:38]
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| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 21:54 - Apr 27 with 1475 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 21:48 - Apr 27 by Churchman |
No, he’d probably survive a clinical strike. I don’t think it works that way. Putin has to understand that if he starts it, it’s over. End of. It’s what mutually assured destruction is. With the knowledge of that, he stops the threat.
Putin is either sabre rattling (my view) or thinks the west won’t respond. How exactly will he destroy the U.K.? He has 1000s of options, all with a game ended cost to him and of course the world. It’s why I believe the noise is just sabre rattling. He just has to be made to believe it. |
What is a clinical strike? Surely it is one that has a high 90s percent chance of killing him. Hence why I stated is it possible? How could it be done? I am no military expert but one assumes there are options that might work from a tactical strike team through to a more remote missile strike. Of course it would require certain knowledge of where Putin is and the robustness of anything he could do to remove himself from the threat.
I would imagine there are very few individuals who are completely immune from the possibility of being assassinated. However, how plausible it would be with Putin specifically is another question. |  |
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| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 21:54 - Apr 27 with 1475 views | Dubtractor |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 21:50 - Apr 27 by ElderGrizzly |
Indeed. Our Season Tickets for next season look less good value |
I'm planning on getting a ST for next season, for the first time in years, but I'm holding off for a few weeks, just in case. |  |
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| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 21:58 - Apr 27 with 1463 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 21:48 - Apr 27 by Churchman |
No, he’d probably survive a clinical strike. I don’t think it works that way. Putin has to understand that if he starts it, it’s over. End of. It’s what mutually assured destruction is. With the knowledge of that, he stops the threat.
Putin is either sabre rattling (my view) or thinks the west won’t respond. How exactly will he destroy the U.K.? He has 1000s of options, all with a game ended cost to him and of course the world. It’s why I believe the noise is just sabre rattling. He just has to be made to believe it. |
Agree, it’s not seen as a realistic threat within Central Govt.
There are plenty of ways Russia can hurt the EU and UK without signing its own death warrant. |  | | |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 22:04 - Apr 27 with 1429 views | factual_blue |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 21:54 - Apr 27 by Dubtractor |
I'm planning on getting a ST for next season, for the first time in years, but I'm holding off for a few weeks, just in case. |
I'm holding off until we're in the Champions League. |  |
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| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 22:06 - Apr 27 with 1419 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 22:04 - Apr 27 by factual_blue |
I'm holding off until we're in the Champions League. |
I think you will find it far better value next season. There will be fewer matches and at a higher cost and you will have to pay extra for the Champions League matches that you can sit at home and watch on the TV anyway. | |
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| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 23:02 - Apr 27 with 1330 views | jeera |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 19:57 - Apr 27 by waveneyblue |
Siri - give me an example of why some people on TWTD are unpleasant idiots
Sure ... Here it is |
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| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 05:44 - Apr 28 with 1216 views | solomon |
Congratulations you’re doing exactly what putin wants you to do. |  | | |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 06:46 - Apr 28 with 1184 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 20:25 - Apr 27 by Lord_Lucan |
If you want a serious answer.
I actually think for the first time in my life we are in danger of a nuclear strike.
I don’t want to spread fear but I believe that if one country out of any that would get hit it would be UK. Reason - UK is doing as much to support Ukraine as all the other EU countries combined, and I don’t think they would have the balls to hit USA.
Until recently I assumed no one would be so daft as the radiation involved would blow back on them but after speaking recently to a man who knows things he advises me that nuclear bunkers are more like large towns with transport systems, clubs and bars, restaurants etc. I naively assumed they were a concrete bunker about the size of a provincial railway station with a larder of spam.
I also thought that there must be a chain of command where someone would stop it, but if you have an option of either pressing the button and living in the bunker or refusing and getting shot, what would they do?
Putin is clearly the biggest nutter in recent history - and possibly unwell in body and mind.
I don’t care about myself, I’ve had a life, but I am genuinely worried about my kids and grandkids.
I still think it’s just a remote possibility but I think situations could change at the blink of an eye. [Post edited 27 Apr 2022 23:18]
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The nuclear bunker your friend refers to might belong to Elon Musk, but those here are nowhere near the scale of what you/he described.
I’ve no doubt there will a Wetherspoons and Costa there of course | | | |
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| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 06:47 - Apr 28 with 1184 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 21:31 - Apr 27 by Nthsuffolkblue |
The biggest issue with use of nuclear weapons is what proportion of those charged with using them would not carry out the order. Most people realise the implications.
At the moment the greatest threat is that Russia might launch a conventional weapon attack on a NATO member. How would (and should) NATO then respond. The point of NATO is that the members stand together. However, what action can NATO take that would not end in a potential catastrophe? Would a clinical strike to remove Putin then be reasonable and possible? |
The most likely conventional threat is against Moldova, closely followed by Poland.
That’s when sh!t gets interesting for Nato | | | |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 07:15 - Apr 28 with 1155 views | Churchman |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 06:47 - Apr 28 by ElderGrizzly |
The most likely conventional threat is against Moldova, closely followed by Poland.
That’s when sh!t gets interesting for Nato |
Yep, Moldova next. I wonder if Putin might have a go at taking Finland after the easy Moldova pickings. Non Nato, they have a bit of history. However, Finland is not the worst, defence wise, and I guess it depends on what Putin has in his toy cupboard.
I suspect after Ukraine and Moldova he will take a pause to replenish, undermine the next on the list and sow discord in the west, in addition to learning a few lessons. He won’t be short of money with burgeoning gas and oil money flowing into the war chest.
I doubt he or the stooges that run his military anticipated Ukraine lasting more than a few weeks maximum. They’re not the only ones. Ukrainian resistance has been astonishing. Massive respect to them. [Post edited 28 Apr 2022 7:18]
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| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 09:39 - Apr 28 with 1091 views | BlueBadger |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 19:57 - Apr 27 by waveneyblue |
Siri - give me an example of why some people on TWTD are unpleasant idiots
Sure ... Here it is |
Your stance on People Who Say Howwid, Howwid Fings would look a lot more principled if you weren't upvoting stuff like this:
And turning out in support of openly bigoted, corrupt, incompetent and criminally inclined politicians. |  |
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| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 09:40 - Apr 28 with 1078 views | BlueBadger |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 20:10 - Apr 27 by waveneyblue |
Acceptance is half way to redemption
Or some other b0llocks, I have no clue really |
You have never spoke a truer word in your final five words. | |
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| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 09:46 - Apr 28 with 1068 views | blueasfook |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 21:54 - Apr 27 by Nthsuffolkblue |
What is a clinical strike? Surely it is one that has a high 90s percent chance of killing him. Hence why I stated is it possible? How could it be done? I am no military expert but one assumes there are options that might work from a tactical strike team through to a more remote missile strike. Of course it would require certain knowledge of where Putin is and the robustness of anything he could do to remove himself from the threat.
I would imagine there are very few individuals who are completely immune from the possibility of being assassinated. However, how plausible it would be with Putin specifically is another question. |
Taking out Putin in that manner would be almost impossible.
He is very paranoid hence, his security is very high. He even has somebody sample his food before he eats apparently.
The best chance would be take him out if he visits Blackpool for his hols. |  |
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| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 10:57 - Apr 28 with 1026 views | BlueBadger |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 21:48 - Apr 27 by Churchman |
No, he’d probably survive a clinical strike. I don’t think it works that way. Putin has to understand that if he starts it, it’s over. End of. It’s what mutually assured destruction is. With the knowledge of that, he stops the threat.
Putin is either sabre rattling (my view) or thinks the west won’t respond. How exactly will he destroy the U.K.? He has 1000s of options, all with a game ended cost to him and of course the world. It’s why I believe the noise is just sabre rattling. He just has to be made to believe it. |
He doesn't need to nuke this country to destroy it. He's already ensured that it's f**ked by bribing UK politicians and skewing elections and referendums. | |
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| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 11:58 - Apr 28 with 1002 views | DinDjarin |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 21:15 - Apr 27 by Swansea_Blue |
Given some of what we’re hearing from Ukraine, there’s a good chance their nukes don’t work/they’ve run out of fuel/they’ve lost the key. We seem to have been seriously over-estimating their conventional military capability.
You’d be a brave leader to gamble on that though. (And we wouldn’t gamble - I’m sure we’ve got plenty of intel on exactly the state of their nuclear arsenal).
It’s a worry for sure. Putin’s out of control and batsh*t crazy - not a good combination. |
What we are hearing out of Ukraine is what they want us to hear.
Any reports of Ukraine getting any upper hand anywhere is not the case. |  | | |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 12:10 - Apr 28 with 991 views | Churchman |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 10:57 - Apr 28 by BlueBadger |
He doesn't need to nuke this country to destroy it. He's already ensured that it's f**ked by bribing UK politicians and skewing elections and referendums. |
Fair point. I agree, but on that basis, why threaten nuclear war that ends the game for everyone? It’s nuts. | | | |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 12:14 - Apr 28 with 985 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 09:46 - Apr 28 by blueasfook |
Taking out Putin in that manner would be almost impossible.
He is very paranoid hence, his security is very high. He even has somebody sample his food before he eats apparently.
The best chance would be take him out if he visits Blackpool for his hols. |
We could send Fergalsharkey over there on a ht mission. |  |
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| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 12:18 - Apr 28 with 974 views | Mediocre_Quick |
Probably improve some areas if it was hit with a nuke |  | | |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 12:36 - Apr 28 with 915 views | Lord_Lucan |
That's horrifying. | |
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| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 13:16 - Apr 28 with 848 views | Churchman |
Yes, but if 1% of that little lot is fired that’s the World done. Toast. I hope Putin thinks it’s worth it.
I would add that the size of warheads varies enormously. A Trident warhead is up to 100kts. The Hiroshima bomb was 15kts. Horrific. And not a game Putin should be playing. Trident travels at 8000mph by the way. Good luck stopping that.
If the top ten Russian cities were attacked alone, that’s about 26m men women and children gone. All for a piece of somebody else’s country. And a news dude in Russia as Putin’s mouthpiece, thinks that’s ok because they’re all going to heaven. The world has no chance. The man is a pariah, an animal. | | | |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 13:56 - Apr 28 with 804 views | Mookamoo |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 13:16 - Apr 28 by Churchman |
Yes, but if 1% of that little lot is fired that’s the World done. Toast. I hope Putin thinks it’s worth it.
I would add that the size of warheads varies enormously. A Trident warhead is up to 100kts. The Hiroshima bomb was 15kts. Horrific. And not a game Putin should be playing. Trident travels at 8000mph by the way. Good luck stopping that.
If the top ten Russian cities were attacked alone, that’s about 26m men women and children gone. All for a piece of somebody else’s country. And a news dude in Russia as Putin’s mouthpiece, thinks that’s ok because they’re all going to heaven. The world has no chance. The man is a pariah, an animal. |
Let's not forget the indifference Putin has towards his own in order to serve the greater good.
He is only in power because as FSB head he was behind the Moscow firebombs that gave him a green light to finally sort out Chechnya. It should not surprise at all if a Russian city goes up in flames at his own hand and he then takes out Lviv by way of retaliation. |  | | |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 14:19 - Apr 28 with 750 views | baxterbasics |
There's no good options here.
Either
1) Putin will eventually get some sort of 'win' out of this. Might not be what he initially hoped for, but still a strategic gain from this invasion.
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2) The west/NATO get involved: escalation.
American defence academics gamed out all the possible outcomes of option 2. The BEST CASE scenario? A single use of lower-yield tactical nukes on the battlefield by each side, at which point leaders take a breather, realise it's gone too far and step back from the brink. That's the best case, and far from the most likely.
In a scenario where Britain is hit in a first strike, NATO should in theory respond collectively, meaning there would be at least an equal response from either/or our Trident or American missiles.
First round might be just military targets and known missile sites.
Second round vital infrastructure, industrial areas, power stations. This might be where the good people of Suffolk say goodbye (Sizewell, Felixstowe)
If that's not enough, major civilian populations are next, if there are any left at this point. |  |
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| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 14:51 - Apr 28 with 725 views | eastangliaisblue |
| Should we take the Russians threats seriously on 14:19 - Apr 28 by baxterbasics |
There's no good options here.
Either
1) Putin will eventually get some sort of 'win' out of this. Might not be what he initially hoped for, but still a strategic gain from this invasion.
or
2) The west/NATO get involved: escalation.
American defence academics gamed out all the possible outcomes of option 2. The BEST CASE scenario? A single use of lower-yield tactical nukes on the battlefield by each side, at which point leaders take a breather, realise it's gone too far and step back from the brink. That's the best case, and far from the most likely.
In a scenario where Britain is hit in a first strike, NATO should in theory respond collectively, meaning there would be at least an equal response from either/or our Trident or American missiles.
First round might be just military targets and known missile sites.
Second round vital infrastructure, industrial areas, power stations. This might be where the good people of Suffolk say goodbye (Sizewell, Felixstowe)
If that's not enough, major civilian populations are next, if there are any left at this point. |
I've already explained to my wife and kids if NATO ends up in a war with Russia we are withdrawing our money from the bank and flying to Chile asap. I actually mean it as well. That may seem a bit hysterical but I honestly believe if it comes to us going to war with Russia a nuke will be used by them. |  | | |
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