| Progressive nationalism in action 14:04 - May 29 with 4985 views | tractordownsouth |
SNP MP demonstrating her left-wing credentials by arguing that Scotland shouldn't be helping poor people from other countries... how is this any different from Nigel Farage and co calling for foreign aid cuts or blaming all our problems on Romanians and Bulgarians?
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| Progressive nationalism in action on 10:58 - May 30 with 683 views | tractordownsouth |
| Progressive nationalism in action on 10:53 - May 30 by monytowbray |
You didn’t though, you just kept repeating the lie. Saying it over and over doesn’t make it true.
What you claim she said isn’t being said. The context and implications of what you claim she said is not the context and implications of what was said.
The last part is then the next step from the first lie, making it an even bigger lie.
You’ve been told this by multiple posters. And I’m now at the point where I take back
GB News presenter comments, you’re verging on Trump logic now. [Post edited 30 May 2022 10:55]
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I've told you multiple times why I think her argument around Scotland funding the UK is false, the contradictions with Scotland's deficit and the similarities with other nationalist rhetoric.
You've told me multiple times why you don't believe that's the case.
We've both made our argument and we disagree, that's fine.
Let's leave it at that. | |
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| Progressive nationalism in action on 11:04 - May 30 with 654 views | Darth_Koont |
| Progressive nationalism in action on 10:58 - May 30 by tractordownsouth |
I've told you multiple times why I think her argument around Scotland funding the UK is false, the contradictions with Scotland's deficit and the similarities with other nationalist rhetoric.
You've told me multiple times why you don't believe that's the case.
We've both made our argument and we disagree, that's fine.
Let's leave it at that. |
Disingenuously trying to justify an already disingenuous take is a very poor look.
I’ll leave it there. [Post edited 30 May 2022 16:22]
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| Progressive nationalism in action on 11:23 - May 30 with 615 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Progressive nationalism in action on 11:04 - May 30 by Darth_Koont |
Disingenuously trying to justify an already disingenuous take is a very poor look.
I’ll leave it there. [Post edited 30 May 2022 16:22]
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I see it’s only taken the SNP only 59 after bringing the railways into government ownership to completely fcuk the rail system up for passengers in Scotland Koonters.
Then there is the £3.5 billion black hole in the budget. Another bail out from England on the cards? |  |
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| Progressive nationalism in action on 11:27 - May 30 with 615 views | mylittletown |
| Progressive nationalism in action on 23:38 - May 29 by XYZ |
" ... you go all James O’Brien on people ..."
What's that, then?
Got any specific examples? |
Going James O'Brien means refusing to back down when you have comprehensively out argued someone using facts versus made up nonsense. It usually involves JOB refusing to 'agree to disagree'.
Tbf there hasn't been much use of fact anywhere in this thread. |  | | |
| Progressive nationalism in action on 11:43 - May 30 with 587 views | Darth_Koont |
| Progressive nationalism in action on 11:23 - May 30 by GlasgowBlue |
I see it’s only taken the SNP only 59 after bringing the railways into government ownership to completely fcuk the rail system up for passengers in Scotland Koonters.
Then there is the £3.5 billion black hole in the budget. Another bail out from England on the cards? |
The SNP have the disadvantage (like local authorities) that they’re responsible for stuff there is inadequate budget for.
Getting sovereign status to actually invest can’t come soon enough. | |
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| Progressive nationalism in action on 11:44 - May 30 with 586 views | XYZ |
| Progressive nationalism in action on 11:27 - May 30 by mylittletown |
Going James O'Brien means refusing to back down when you have comprehensively out argued someone using facts versus made up nonsense. It usually involves JOB refusing to 'agree to disagree'.
Tbf there hasn't been much use of fact anywhere in this thread. |
Ah, thanks.
I wonder why he was incapable of explaining the meaning of the words he used. |  | | |
| Progressive nationalism in action on 11:59 - May 30 with 569 views | monytowbray |
| Progressive nationalism in action on 11:27 - May 30 by mylittletown |
Going James O'Brien means refusing to back down when you have comprehensively out argued someone using facts versus made up nonsense. It usually involves JOB refusing to 'agree to disagree'.
Tbf there hasn't been much use of fact anywhere in this thread. |
The thread was based on non-facts, emotions and pre-determined view points to read between the lines something that wasn’t there.
IMO we aren’t even debating the matter of Windfall tax and the SNP. The point actually being made is how to combat misinformation based on people simply making stuff up.
Besides, it’s all political mud slinging. TBS is another layer of that. Windfall tax on energy is a sticky plaster that barely fits over a wound caused by free market greed, corporate power, lobbyists and a press all to happy to prop it up at the expense of the well being of a population and the environment. Debating windfall tax is like debating which team Hurst/Lambert/Cook should have started when the actual problem is the manager. Doesn’t matter if you win a few games if you go down in the process, doesn’t matter if we make a dent in the CoL crisis if we’re only getting a £400 discount on a bill that’s up 4 figures. Doesn’t matter if we can afford food if we break the planet’s ability to allow it to grow. [Post edited 30 May 2022 12:06]
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| Progressive nationalism in action on 16:20 - May 30 with 476 views | Darth_Koont |
| Progressive nationalism in action on 18:17 - May 29 by factual_blue |
They both draw their 'vision' from a distorted perception of the past. The degree of distortion may vary, but it's still there, and drives and fuels a sense of injustice about why things aren't like that any more. |
I missed this at the time.
I think this couldn’t be further from the truth in the case of Scottish independence. And I’ve never heard any hearkening back to some misty, Scotch-infused past.
Mainly because both the past and the present were sub-par – and Scotland’s economy has been caught up and passed by our neighbours. So it’s much more a discussion of why the UK is so poor an environment for the people of Scotland when our neighbours are coping much better.
If anyone wants to make the case for Scotland being better off with the current situation continuing then I’d love to see what data they’re using and how they think a comparison with our neighbours isn’t the clearest indication of life post-independence. I’ve never heard anyone explain why Scotland is incapable of what Ireland, Iceland, the Nordic region, the Netherlands, Belgium etc. have achieved. | |
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| Progressive nationalism in action on 19:20 - May 30 with 408 views | longtimefan |
| Progressive nationalism in action on 10:42 - May 30 by monytowbray |
I argued my case fine. I got a but sh1tty because the level of disingenuous is off the chart. Regardless of that you’ve still failed to reply to any point made.
You also implied anyone who disagrees wants poor people to die, so there’s that. |
“ I got a but sh1tty because the level of disingenuous is off the chart”
Crikey you cacked yourself because you didn’t like what you read. That’s real commitment  | | | |
| Progressive nationalism in action on 20:47 - May 30 with 368 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Progressive nationalism in action on 11:23 - May 30 by GlasgowBlue |
I see it’s only taken the SNP only 59 after bringing the railways into government ownership to completely fcuk the rail system up for passengers in Scotland Koonters.
Then there is the £3.5 billion black hole in the budget. Another bail out from England on the cards? |
Of course they’ve got a budget deficit. That’s completely normal in the UK (we haven’t had a surplus in the UK for over 20 years).
Scotland’s deficit is predicted to be about 2% of their GDP this year, which is well below the UK’s forecast deficit (£128bn) of 5.4% of GDP. Looks like the Scottish Govt are doing a better job than Westminster atm. |  |
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