| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy 21:22 - Jun 4 with 10625 views | STYG |
Nothing against the Queen. Wonderful woman.
But have to say I’m not feeling the way I have during previous celebrations where I haven’t minded them. I know people are in this position because of the government and not the monarchy and both the common person and monarchy should be able to thrive together.
But as someone here said a few days ago, if you conceived the idea of the monarchy now you’d be laughed out of town. We are going to give a family wealth beyond imagination, allow them to have the power if they wished to intervene in the most important of matters and they’ll continue to have children born ‘to reign over us’. It truly is absurd really.
With Covid still being rife, the thought of packed crowds of hundreds of thousands, some struggling to pay bills, all lined up together to celebrate the Queen seems madness. But in fairness as I say I do admire the woman but when she’s sadly not with us any longer I do hope there’s a massive shift in how the public feels about the monarchy. |  | | |  |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 16:54 - Jun 7 with 1057 views | itfcjoe |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 16:44 - Jun 7 by The_Flashing_Smile |
To be fair, most people I hear of coming here don't come specifically for the royal stuff, they pick it up amongst the rest of their visit.
The BBC is bound to interview an excited tourist, it makes good telly. Doesn't mean it's the norm. |
There are clearly events, like the jubilee weekend, that drive a large amount of tourism |  |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 18:06 - Jun 7 with 991 views | bluelagos |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 16:54 - Jun 7 by itfcjoe |
There are clearly events, like the jubilee weekend, that drive a large amount of tourism |
Busiest week for travellers/tourists leaving the UK too... |  |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 18:10 - Jun 7 with 985 views | Ryorry |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 18:06 - Jun 7 by bluelagos |
Busiest week for travellers/tourists leaving the UK too... |
... or at least trying to ... |  |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 18:14 - Jun 7 with 980 views | bluelagos |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 18:10 - Jun 7 by Ryorry |
... or at least trying to ... |
I know it's off topic, but can you imagine? Get your first break for maybe 2 years and then it gets cancelled last minute. Or get stuck overseas facing huge cost to get home after a cancellation. | |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 19:36 - Jun 7 with 944 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 16:48 - Jun 7 by jeera |
Every 25 years we can look forward to another influx.
That's got to be worth keeping the institution going. |
Or a royal wedding/baby to show off.
I reckon tourists mostly look at our royal stuff in an "isn't it quaint/old fashioned/bonkers what the Brits still do" kind of way. |  |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 19:40 - Jun 7 with 931 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 16:54 - Jun 7 by itfcjoe |
There are clearly events, like the jubilee weekend, that drive a large amount of tourism |
But how many come specifically for that, who wouldn't bother otherwise?
You also seem to be avoiding the point about Paris not particularly suffering a lack of tourism.
Open your eyes, it's just more smoke and mirrors to justify this archaic nonsense. And I say that as someone who isn't particularly bothered about abolishing them either. | |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 20:04 - Jun 7 with 913 views | itfcjoe |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 19:40 - Jun 7 by The_Flashing_Smile |
But how many come specifically for that, who wouldn't bother otherwise?
You also seem to be avoiding the point about Paris not particularly suffering a lack of tourism.
Open your eyes, it's just more smoke and mirrors to justify this archaic nonsense. And I say that as someone who isn't particularly bothered about abolishing them either. |
The only person who needs to ‘open their eyes’ is one who thinks they can quantify the cost vs benefit of them as it just isn’t possible. | |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 20:14 - Jun 7 with 902 views | jeera |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 19:36 - Jun 7 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Or a royal wedding/baby to show off.
I reckon tourists mostly look at our royal stuff in an "isn't it quaint/old fashioned/bonkers what the Brits still do" kind of way. |
It all fits in with the stereotyping I suppose.
I was going to add things like drinking tea but I do actually get through several of those per day and have one on the go right now too.
Some stereotypes are true. |  |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 08:29 - Jun 8 with 805 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 20:04 - Jun 7 by itfcjoe |
The only person who needs to ‘open their eyes’ is one who thinks they can quantify the cost vs benefit of them as it just isn’t possible. |
LOL, I'm not attempting to quantify it, YOU are! | |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 08:32 - Jun 8 with 800 views | DanTheMan |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 18:14 - Jun 7 by bluelagos |
I know it's off topic, but can you imagine? Get your first break for maybe 2 years and then it gets cancelled last minute. Or get stuck overseas facing huge cost to get home after a cancellation. |
Friend of mine had their honeymoon flights cancelled. Had to pay £400 for new ones. |  |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 10:28 - Jun 8 with 755 views | itfcjoe |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 08:29 - Jun 8 by The_Flashing_Smile |
LOL, I'm not attempting to quantify it, YOU are! |
I've said it drives tourism, but that it is impossible to quantify whether it drives it enough to cover costs - there would need to be a parallel universe to discover that.
Whereas you are claiming it's smoke and mirrors being used to justify the archaic nonsense - which is quite obvious you think it is quantified and that the cost is higher than the benefit | |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 10:39 - Jun 8 with 741 views | Ryorry |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 18:14 - Jun 7 by bluelagos |
I know it's off topic, but can you imagine? Get your first break for maybe 2 years and then it gets cancelled last minute. Or get stuck overseas facing huge cost to get home after a cancellation. |
Just after you posted that, heard on R5l news an interview with distraught family trapped in Spain (I think) after an easyjet flight due to return hundreds of Brits back to the UK on Sunday was cancelled, with no replacement till today (at earliest), no alternative, no support, no comms.
Some people didn't have the cash to fork out for hotels, had to sleep on benches at airport, one pensioner had run out of her required meds. Loads of key workers inc. NHS staff & a head teacher obvs unable to return to work; parents who'd left v. young kids with their grandparents who were then unable to fulfil other committments etc. [Post edited 8 Jun 2022 10:40]
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 10:45 - Jun 8 with 734 views | Darth_Koont |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 10:28 - Jun 8 by itfcjoe |
I've said it drives tourism, but that it is impossible to quantify whether it drives it enough to cover costs - there would need to be a parallel universe to discover that.
Whereas you are claiming it's smoke and mirrors being used to justify the archaic nonsense - which is quite obvious you think it is quantified and that the cost is higher than the benefit |
There’s a lot of assumption in that.
As pointed out earlier in the thread, what if there were tours of the royal palaces and houses due to them not being occupied? After all, the history is more interesting than the current incumbents.
And do people visit Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Netherlands, Belgium etc. more because of their royal families?
Sure, people can try and make a case for the royal family paying for themselves but the evidence isn’t all that compelling. |  |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 11:06 - Jun 8 with 711 views | unbelievablue |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 10:28 - Jun 8 by itfcjoe |
I've said it drives tourism, but that it is impossible to quantify whether it drives it enough to cover costs - there would need to be a parallel universe to discover that.
Whereas you are claiming it's smoke and mirrors being used to justify the archaic nonsense - which is quite obvious you think it is quantified and that the cost is higher than the benefit |
A general thought: why is the cost benefit of their tourism vs. upkeep the determining factor as to whether we should retain the royal family? I think there's way more to it than that. |  |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 11:12 - Jun 8 with 702 views | itfcjoe |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 11:06 - Jun 8 by unbelievablue |
A general thought: why is the cost benefit of their tourism vs. upkeep the determining factor as to whether we should retain the royal family? I think there's way more to it than that. |
I think there is much more to it personally, but some people use that comparison as the base level - i.e. they cost/make us money | |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 12:39 - Jun 8 with 659 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 10:28 - Jun 8 by itfcjoe |
I've said it drives tourism, but that it is impossible to quantify whether it drives it enough to cover costs - there would need to be a parallel universe to discover that.
Whereas you are claiming it's smoke and mirrors being used to justify the archaic nonsense - which is quite obvious you think it is quantified and that the cost is higher than the benefit |
No, I'm just suggesting the whole "but tourism" angle is just another thing used by people desperate to justify the need for a royal family.
You've argued you've "never heard of anyone going to Paris purely to visit their former royal quarters, they go there and pick that up amongst the rest of their visit" and I've suggested, that's largely what tourists do coming to London.
Do you have any evidence people "it's clear there are plenty who visit specifically for the royals"? | |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 12:43 - Jun 8 with 656 views | itfcjoe |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 12:39 - Jun 8 by The_Flashing_Smile |
No, I'm just suggesting the whole "but tourism" angle is just another thing used by people desperate to justify the need for a royal family.
You've argued you've "never heard of anyone going to Paris purely to visit their former royal quarters, they go there and pick that up amongst the rest of their visit" and I've suggested, that's largely what tourists do coming to London.
Do you have any evidence people "it's clear there are plenty who visit specifically for the royals"? |
Do you have any evidence people "it's clear there are plenty who visit specifically for the royals"?
I'm sure the tens of thousands of people including plenty from across the world on the streets of London at the weekend were just on Big Bus Tour of London and happened to be a Jubilee Party on | |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 12:51 - Jun 8 with 646 views | leitrimblue |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 12:39 - Jun 8 by The_Flashing_Smile |
No, I'm just suggesting the whole "but tourism" angle is just another thing used by people desperate to justify the need for a royal family.
You've argued you've "never heard of anyone going to Paris purely to visit their former royal quarters, they go there and pick that up amongst the rest of their visit" and I've suggested, that's largely what tourists do coming to London.
Do you have any evidence people "it's clear there are plenty who visit specifically for the royals"? |
It's weird enough that people would try to justify the taxpayer subsidising one of the worlds wealthiest family's to the tune of £80+ million a year cause they may possibly bring a few extra tourists to the country. Even worse when you consider that some of that money was used to pay off victims of her child abusing son |  | | |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 13:32 - Jun 8 with 608 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 12:43 - Jun 8 by itfcjoe |
Do you have any evidence people "it's clear there are plenty who visit specifically for the royals"?
I'm sure the tens of thousands of people including plenty from across the world on the streets of London at the weekend were just on Big Bus Tour of London and happened to be a Jubilee Party on |
Haha. Honestly, listen to what you're saying. You're getting desperate. Firstly, we're talking about tourists, so why are you bringing 'everyone' into the mix? Secondly, where is the evidence the tourists have *just* come for the Jubilee Party?
You're normally quite rational Joe, but you're utterly blinked in your devotion to this pampered and privileged family. The same family that pays off a woman to stop a paedophilia lawsuit. The same family that wants for nothing while children in this country can't get enough food to eat and parents struggle to afford the heating. It's baffling as to why you're so protective of them. | |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 13:34 - Jun 8 with 603 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 12:51 - Jun 8 by leitrimblue |
It's weird enough that people would try to justify the taxpayer subsidising one of the worlds wealthiest family's to the tune of £80+ million a year cause they may possibly bring a few extra tourists to the country. Even worse when you consider that some of that money was used to pay off victims of her child abusing son |
Well quite. It's only in recent years that the Queen has started paying taxes as well.
Quite astonishing how some leap through hoops to defend this lot. | |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 13:39 - Jun 8 with 595 views | itfcjoe |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 13:32 - Jun 8 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Haha. Honestly, listen to what you're saying. You're getting desperate. Firstly, we're talking about tourists, so why are you bringing 'everyone' into the mix? Secondly, where is the evidence the tourists have *just* come for the Jubilee Party?
You're normally quite rational Joe, but you're utterly blinked in your devotion to this pampered and privileged family. The same family that pays off a woman to stop a paedophilia lawsuit. The same family that wants for nothing while children in this country can't get enough food to eat and parents struggle to afford the heating. It's baffling as to why you're so protective of them. |
When your argument fails you just have to put words into my mouth and try and argue with a totally different position to the one I'm taken.
"utterly blinked in your devotion to this pampered and privileged family"
Give over, it's clear that they are a driver for tourism. It's not clear whether the value it brings outweighs their costs - it's quite impossible to say. The jubilee brought lots of tourists, the royal weddings have done similar (even more so in reality)
There are millions of other reasons for and against them which I've not even touched on in this thread but yet that is "utterly blinked in devotion" - very strange | |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 13:49 - Jun 8 with 581 views | STYG |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 13:39 - Jun 8 by itfcjoe |
When your argument fails you just have to put words into my mouth and try and argue with a totally different position to the one I'm taken.
"utterly blinked in your devotion to this pampered and privileged family"
Give over, it's clear that they are a driver for tourism. It's not clear whether the value it brings outweighs their costs - it's quite impossible to say. The jubilee brought lots of tourists, the royal weddings have done similar (even more so in reality)
There are millions of other reasons for and against them which I've not even touched on in this thread but yet that is "utterly blinked in devotion" - very strange |
I can't see what the issue is with what you've said.
The only way we would truly know the value of having the Royal Family from a purely financial point of view is to completely remove them.
They clearly bring in money. They clearly cost a lot of money. How that is all tallied up, what goes in and out of their private wealth and the public purse is impossible to quantify.
There are also a huge number of reasons for and against the monarchy away from money.
Completely balanced in my view. | | | |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 16:14 - Jun 8 with 522 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 13:39 - Jun 8 by itfcjoe |
When your argument fails you just have to put words into my mouth and try and argue with a totally different position to the one I'm taken.
"utterly blinked in your devotion to this pampered and privileged family"
Give over, it's clear that they are a driver for tourism. It's not clear whether the value it brings outweighs their costs - it's quite impossible to say. The jubilee brought lots of tourists, the royal weddings have done similar (even more so in reality)
There are millions of other reasons for and against them which I've not even touched on in this thread but yet that is "utterly blinked in devotion" - very strange |
I don't think I've put words in your mouth. I'm saying you're coming across like you're utterly blinkered, with this tourism defence.
You keep saying, "The jubilee brought lots of tourists", but did it? Where is your evidence tourists came just for that?
I don't have any figures either, but I'd imagine there's very few people who fly in just for jubilee stuff. Are you really suggesting there are loads of tourists who wouldn't come at all if we didn't have a royal family? | |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 16:23 - Jun 8 with 504 views | Tractor_Buck |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 12:43 - Jun 8 by itfcjoe |
Do you have any evidence people "it's clear there are plenty who visit specifically for the royals"?
I'm sure the tens of thousands of people including plenty from across the world on the streets of London at the weekend were just on Big Bus Tour of London and happened to be a Jubilee Party on |
Purely anecdotally, my son works in a hotel in Victoria and was surprised by the numbers of American tourists who came here last weekend not knowing the the Jubilee stuff was happening. |  | | |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 16:33 - Jun 8 with 493 views | itfcjoe |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 16:14 - Jun 8 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I don't think I've put words in your mouth. I'm saying you're coming across like you're utterly blinkered, with this tourism defence.
You keep saying, "The jubilee brought lots of tourists", but did it? Where is your evidence tourists came just for that?
I don't have any figures either, but I'd imagine there's very few people who fly in just for jubilee stuff. Are you really suggesting there are loads of tourists who wouldn't come at all if we didn't have a royal family? |
I'm talking purely about the tourism and it is being stated as though I'm standing in front of Buck House fighting away those who want to abolish the monarchy, I haven't even given my view on the future of the royal family in this thread
This is a waste of time though as just going round in circles, but there were dozens of people across the BBC interviews at weekend who had flown in from (mainly across the Commonwealth) abroad for the celebrations. I'm sure the BBC didn't interview every one of them so there was also lots more
Now I'm sure a lot of people had family, or added other things to their trip - in the same way I have done so when i've gone abroad for a specific purpose like watching sport or visiting someone - but it was clearly a driver for tourism whether it was the sole purpose of the visit or not. | |
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