| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy 21:22 - Jun 4 with 10629 views | STYG |
Nothing against the Queen. Wonderful woman.
But have to say I’m not feeling the way I have during previous celebrations where I haven’t minded them. I know people are in this position because of the government and not the monarchy and both the common person and monarchy should be able to thrive together.
But as someone here said a few days ago, if you conceived the idea of the monarchy now you’d be laughed out of town. We are going to give a family wealth beyond imagination, allow them to have the power if they wished to intervene in the most important of matters and they’ll continue to have children born ‘to reign over us’. It truly is absurd really.
With Covid still being rife, the thought of packed crowds of hundreds of thousands, some struggling to pay bills, all lined up together to celebrate the Queen seems madness. But in fairness as I say I do admire the woman but when she’s sadly not with us any longer I do hope there’s a massive shift in how the public feels about the monarchy. |  | | |  |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 08:50 - Jun 6 with 1185 views | Churchman |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 08:38 - Jun 6 by Vic |
Thinking about it, the bunting, etc, has meant contracts and work to make it and all the other flags, mugs, etc, that has helped a number of people. In our village the RBL had a raffle at the fete which raised a load of money to help the veterans, etc.
I reckon the £30mill was easily offset by the benefits to the community, to local pus and social clubs (ours took more in one day than in a year!) and other businesses. The good will and community cohesion was well worth the effort of all the planning, organising and money spent. |
That’s a good point Vic. Funnily enough, the misses was involved in a similar event locally which she tells me raised £3000. Not a lot of money and £500 was used for costs, but it all counts and so does the social benefits of doing it. |  | | |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 09:06 - Jun 6 with 1171 views | nodge_blue |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 08:08 - Jun 6 by brazil1982 |
What does the public give? |
The public purse gives money to the royal family each year.
But if you see that as a form of sponsorship that promotes the country and attracts visitors etc, it's not quite as clear as saying if we didn't do that we could give £5 to each family. |  |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 09:07 - Jun 6 with 1171 views | STYG |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 07:51 - Jun 6 by PrideOfTheEast |
You cannot be serious? However, if you are, at what point will you be declaring covid “over”? Tubes etc have been packed for months now, as have sports stadiums, shopping centres, clubs, bars etc. |
The cool thing here is that I don’t make the laws.
So I’m entitled to have my own view based on personal preferences and do what’s right for me whilst it not impacting at all on your view. | | | |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 09:14 - Jun 6 with 1162 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 09:07 - Jun 6 by STYG |
The cool thing here is that I don’t make the laws.
So I’m entitled to have my own view based on personal preferences and do what’s right for me whilst it not impacting at all on your view. |
Of course but I'm genuinely curious? I assumed you wanted to discus it since you posted on a public message board but of course no obligation to do so! | | | |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 09:51 - Jun 6 with 1136 views | STYG |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 09:14 - Jun 6 by PrideOfTheEast |
Of course but I'm genuinely curious? I assumed you wanted to discus it since you posted on a public message board but of course no obligation to do so! |
There seem to be a great many that see it as all or nothing.
I see our collective responsibility as more of a sliding scale. When Covid was absolutely rampant and people are unvaccinated, then lockdowns and social distancing and masks during shopping trips seemed proportionate.
When numbers have dropped significantly then life has to return to normal. People will go out to restaurants and clubs and the football and so on. They've been vaccinated, probably had covid and are free to make their own informed decisions within the guidelines and laws.
It then comes down to personal preference. I still wear a mask indoors like supermarkets. Why? Because in absolutely no way does it impact me medically to do so and I am reducing the risk of spreading it by even 0.000001% or whatever, but if everyone that could medically do so did so, then covid would be even further reduced.
If that means only 10 people dying instead of 20 then that a massive win for me. Others see that only 20 are dying instead of 1,000 and they are happy to go about their normal lives. That's their choice to and they can do that.
All I am saying is that any mass gathering with wall to wall people makes me feel uneasy. People here have mentioned other events but nowhere that I have seen has had the numbers the jubilee has, so any uncomfort I feel, knowing there are still people massively vulnerable from catching covid, like loved ones, the elderly, the disabled, I am also aware that life for them hasn't gone back to normal.
So whilst for 99% of people it's business as usual, I do spare a thought for the fact there will now be some people unable to enjoy life as it was and for whom covid is still real. If I can do something to lessen the risks to them then great. But clearly most other people now have 'gotten over it' as I've been continually told to do so on this thread.
How I approach covid has no impact on anyone else. I am not petitioning to stop anyone elses fun. Simply airing my own personal position. | | | |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 11:01 - Jun 6 with 1090 views | Ryorry |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 21:31 - Jun 5 by StochesStotasBlewe |
Absolutely.
Enjoyed the last few days.
Mr SSB is very much for the scrapping of the monarchy. I, on the other hand am not.
However, we've spent some quality time together at the local pub and at the village jubilee parties, met some different people and had a good time together with good company. |
Good to meet you Mrs SSB - or have you been sharing the account for many years, we just didn't know about it?! |  |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 11:24 - Jun 6 with 1069 views | Ryorry |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 23:51 - Jun 5 by nodge_blue |
Maybe the tangible money in and intangible good will, in terms of visitors to London and GB, outweighs what the public gives each year? |
Good point, which reminds me of the "soft power" comment made by both TV presenters yesterday & in a docu of maybe 2-3 years ago re the Royal Yacht Brittania - ie the number of valuable trade deals that were struck on that yacht when the Queen & Philip were visiting, which simply wouldn't have happened otherwise. Global audience of 1 billion people for one or more of the televised Jubilee events according to BBC, potentially attracting more tourists.
The 'goodwill' factor is still very much there, there's huge warmth for the Queen all over the world. And anyone good enough to be respected and admired by Nelson Mandela (who went out of his way to ask for a special visit to see her when passing through London - request granted ) is good enough for me!
Some people seem to have forgotten that the Jubilee celebrations are about the Queen herself & her 70 years reign, not about 'the monarchy'. | |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 11:56 - Jun 6 with 1055 views | StochesStotasBlewe |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 11:01 - Jun 6 by Ryorry |
Good to meet you Mrs SSB - or have you been sharing the account for many years, we just didn't know about it?! |
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It's very, very quiet.
I can walk to the pub. |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 13:47 - Jun 6 with 1002 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 18:00 - Jun 5 by GlasgowBlue |
£30 million. Whereas each bank holiday costs the economy £2.3 billion. That’s just shy of £5 billion wiped off the economy over the last couple of days. I don’t hear anyone be moaning about that cost. I think most people were happy to have an extra couple of days off and sod the cost. |
It's a small amount relatively, just not "free" (as Ryorry stated), which was the point.
It's also perfectly possible to have more bank holidays/parties without having a monarchy. In fact we're one of the lowest in Europe in terms of number of bank holiday days.
So the 'isn't it great to have a party' angle is another red herring. |  |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 13:53 - Jun 6 with 993 views | unbelievablue |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 11:24 - Jun 6 by Ryorry |
Good point, which reminds me of the "soft power" comment made by both TV presenters yesterday & in a docu of maybe 2-3 years ago re the Royal Yacht Brittania - ie the number of valuable trade deals that were struck on that yacht when the Queen & Philip were visiting, which simply wouldn't have happened otherwise. Global audience of 1 billion people for one or more of the televised Jubilee events according to BBC, potentially attracting more tourists.
The 'goodwill' factor is still very much there, there's huge warmth for the Queen all over the world. And anyone good enough to be respected and admired by Nelson Mandela (who went out of his way to ask for a special visit to see her when passing through London - request granted ) is good enough for me!
Some people seem to have forgotten that the Jubilee celebrations are about the Queen herself & her 70 years reign, not about 'the monarchy'. |
Re: your last sentence, that's pretty much impossible to reconcile to be honest. |  |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 14:03 - Jun 6 with 982 views | Radlett_blue |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 11:24 - Jun 6 by Ryorry |
Good point, which reminds me of the "soft power" comment made by both TV presenters yesterday & in a docu of maybe 2-3 years ago re the Royal Yacht Brittania - ie the number of valuable trade deals that were struck on that yacht when the Queen & Philip were visiting, which simply wouldn't have happened otherwise. Global audience of 1 billion people for one or more of the televised Jubilee events according to BBC, potentially attracting more tourists.
The 'goodwill' factor is still very much there, there's huge warmth for the Queen all over the world. And anyone good enough to be respected and admired by Nelson Mandela (who went out of his way to ask for a special visit to see her when passing through London - request granted ) is good enough for me!
Some people seem to have forgotten that the Jubilee celebrations are about the Queen herself & her 70 years reign, not about 'the monarchy'. |
"global trade deals that wouldn't have happened unless the Queen & DoE were sitting on the Royal yacht "? This is clearly impossible to disprove (or prove) but the idea that a trade deal has a significantly higher chance of being done if the monarch is sitting in the harbour beggars belief.
Crowds turn up to parties, often irrespective of the theoretical point of the celebration. And it's always easy to put flag waving hordes in front of a camera. Quite a large number signed a book of condolence for Diana, but the vast majority did not. |  |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 14:06 - Jun 6 with 977 views | STYG |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 13:53 - Jun 6 by unbelievablue |
Re: your last sentence, that's pretty much impossible to reconcile to be honest. |
As I said in the OP, it would be great to look at the monarchy once the queen is sadly no longer with us.
Only right she was celebrated and whether you like the monarchy or the idea of it or not, it's hard to not admire the woman and the service she's given the country, the way she's conducted herself and the fact she's been, over many years, the bedrock of civilised society in this country, even if that's no longer what we'd necessarily agree we have.
Nothing can or will change significantly in the monarchy though. The way that America won't move on from laws written in 1791. But it would be nice if the new King, whether that is Charles or William was to relax certain parts to make it more in keeping with the modern world, because you simply cannot have anything hundreds of years old that cannot be improved or modernised in some way.
Even though it's not for me, it cannot be denied that a jubilee, Royal Wedding or other notable occasion does bring people together. The very few occasions when neighbours we have never even spoken to suddenly want to invite us to a party or all do something. Replicated over the country, that is a magnificent power of bringing people together, which is probably a very good thing for the majority. [Post edited 6 Jun 2022 14:16]
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 14:13 - Jun 6 with 960 views | Ryorry |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 14:03 - Jun 6 by Radlett_blue |
"global trade deals that wouldn't have happened unless the Queen & DoE were sitting on the Royal yacht "? This is clearly impossible to disprove (or prove) but the idea that a trade deal has a significantly higher chance of being done if the monarch is sitting in the harbour beggars belief.
Crowds turn up to parties, often irrespective of the theoretical point of the celebration. And it's always easy to put flag waving hordes in front of a camera. Quite a large number signed a book of condolence for Diana, but the vast majority did not. |
You need to have seen the docu (sorry I can't provide link, can't even remember which channel or when). She charms people, deals got done (and I mean within days, not years). There were people in the docu who assisted with the processing of the deals. | |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 15:01 - Jun 6 with 944 views | Ewan_Oozami |
Do you have the ability to turn them off as well?
(or has that gag already been done?) |  |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 15:23 - Jun 6 with 917 views | Ryorry |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 13:53 - Jun 6 by unbelievablue |
Re: your last sentence, that's pretty much impossible to reconcile to be honest. |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 15:49 - Jun 6 with 902 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 11:24 - Jun 6 by Ryorry |
Good point, which reminds me of the "soft power" comment made by both TV presenters yesterday & in a docu of maybe 2-3 years ago re the Royal Yacht Brittania - ie the number of valuable trade deals that were struck on that yacht when the Queen & Philip were visiting, which simply wouldn't have happened otherwise. Global audience of 1 billion people for one or more of the televised Jubilee events according to BBC, potentially attracting more tourists.
The 'goodwill' factor is still very much there, there's huge warmth for the Queen all over the world. And anyone good enough to be respected and admired by Nelson Mandela (who went out of his way to ask for a special visit to see her when passing through London - request granted ) is good enough for me!
Some people seem to have forgotten that the Jubilee celebrations are about the Queen herself & her 70 years reign, not about 'the monarchy'. |
Monarchy: a form of government with a monarch at the head.
Monarch: a sovereign head of state, especially a king, queen, or emperor.
Our predicament: a form of government with a queen at the head.
Jubilee: a special anniversary... of a reign.
So the jubilee is literally celebrating the reign of the queen as the head of the government, but we should pretend it isn't about a form of government with a queen at the head? |  |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 15:59 - Jun 6 with 885 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 08:49 - Jun 6 by STYG |
You don’t need to shut everything down.
Why is it Americans seem to believe they either have all the guns or you’re taking them all away.
There can be a middle ground. Things should carry on as they are but with sensible precautions. I don’t see half a million people packed together as sensible, especially when they will have come from all over the country and spread anything they catch back in their home towns.
Covid rates are low. People should be able to carry on close to normal in many walks of life. But it’s irresponsible to pretend it’s not around and to not take some, minor precautions. Our reaction to it should be on a sliding scale now.
Lots of Covid. Lots of precautions. Little Covid. Few restrictions. Not none. |
We’ve already done that remember, reduced capacities etc.
So the answer now is NO restrictions. Stop trying to impact other peoples lives, freedoms and earning potential based on something that isn’t going away and isn’t going to kill you. We are a fairly overpopulated global community, it doesn’t work. You’re sliding scale isn’t going to get us to zero Covid, so it’s over, individual choice now. |  | | |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 16:01 - Jun 6 with 883 views | J2BLUE |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 15:59 - Jun 6 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
We’ve already done that remember, reduced capacities etc.
So the answer now is NO restrictions. Stop trying to impact other peoples lives, freedoms and earning potential based on something that isn’t going away and isn’t going to kill you. We are a fairly overpopulated global community, it doesn’t work. You’re sliding scale isn’t going to get us to zero Covid, so it’s over, individual choice now. |
I agree with this. Can't really keep restrictions at this stage. If it gets worse then maybe look again, but right now, I agree with no restrictions. |  |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 16:02 - Jun 6 with 882 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 17:08 - Jun 5 by have_a_word_with_him |
Yeah let's just become like every other nation with no monarchy but built on absolute "equality for all". Like America supposedly, no social divide there at all is there. If you're upset about the possibility that a person is born into a position of privilege versus another that isn't, I can only assume you self-combust when you read/watch global news every single day. I'd be very supportive of you taking action to sort that out in every country in the world... Or no just direct your angst towards the British Monarchy as you sit in front of your internet connection device probably under a solid roof, conveniently ignoring the fact that no-one actually suffers from the fact we have a monarchy. |
There are plenty of mature democracies where the Head of State would be able to intervene if the Prime Minister illegally closed Parliament, and relieve them of their duties.
The Queen, in fact, was able to do so, but chose not to. | | | |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 16:13 - Jun 6 with 867 views | Ryorry |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 15:49 - Jun 6 by Kropotkin123 |
Monarchy: a form of government with a monarch at the head.
Monarch: a sovereign head of state, especially a king, queen, or emperor.
Our predicament: a form of government with a queen at the head.
Jubilee: a special anniversary... of a reign.
So the jubilee is literally celebrating the reign of the queen as the head of the government, but we should pretend it isn't about a form of government with a queen at the head? |
If you asked every single person in the UK what they were celebrating (if they were) this weekend, I guarantee you more than 90% would say something along the lines of "70 years of the Queen's reign, she's put in a good shift & has been there most or all of my life".
They wouldn't say something along the lines of "I'm celebrating the UK's system of constitutional monarchy". | |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 16:23 - Jun 6 with 854 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 16:13 - Jun 6 by Ryorry |
If you asked every single person in the UK what they were celebrating (if they were) this weekend, I guarantee you more than 90% would say something along the lines of "70 years of the Queen's reign, she's put in a good shift & has been there most or all of my life".
They wouldn't say something along the lines of "I'm celebrating the UK's system of constitutional monarchy". |
Whether they choose to recognise, articulate or even be aware of it, celebrating "70 years of the Queen's reign" is celebrating the queen as head of the government. There is no disintangling the two, one comes with the other.
It is people's right to recognise and oppose this, at this moment in time, if they so choose. | |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 16:24 - Jun 6 with 850 views | STYG |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 15:59 - Jun 6 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
We’ve already done that remember, reduced capacities etc.
So the answer now is NO restrictions. Stop trying to impact other peoples lives, freedoms and earning potential based on something that isn’t going away and isn’t going to kill you. We are a fairly overpopulated global community, it doesn’t work. You’re sliding scale isn’t going to get us to zero Covid, so it’s over, individual choice now. |
WTF are you on about? 'Stop trying to impact other peoples lives'.
At what point have I tried to do that. I don't feel totally comfortable with lifting all restrictions. I have elderly and vulnerable relatives for whom life isn't back to normal. That is how I feel. Ironically, you are trying to tell me how to feel and trying to impact my life with your constant suggestion of how I should feel. Do one.
As for the whole 'isn't going to kill you', it probably won't. But I know people who have died from covid, even after a vaccination or two, so again, stop assuming that everybody is perfectly healthy or doesn't have an underlying health condition. You've got no idea what my medical history is, how dangerous covid would be to me, my family or my friends, so with all due respect you can do one with your patronising need to tell me what you think or feel.
As I have repeatedly said I fully understand why there are no restrictions in place and how this works for the majority, but I am apparently not allowed to show any empathy for now for the minority who are now in constant fear of contracting covid and dying?
I'd love to know how me wearing a facemask because I don't feel comfortable not doing so in case I pass covid onto someone is impacting other peoples lives, freedoms and earning potential, when if anything, I am in some minute way, actually likely to be helping their lives, freedoms and earning potentials through a miniscule increased chance of protecting them from passing covid on.
Perhaps if we are done here, you can tell me what I should think about everything else. Muppet. | | | |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 16:24 - Jun 6 with 843 views | Ryorry |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 15:59 - Jun 6 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
We’ve already done that remember, reduced capacities etc.
So the answer now is NO restrictions. Stop trying to impact other peoples lives, freedoms and earning potential based on something that isn’t going away and isn’t going to kill you. We are a fairly overpopulated global community, it doesn’t work. You’re sliding scale isn’t going to get us to zero Covid, so it’s over, individual choice now. |
How does wearing a decent mask in public indoor spaces "impact other peoples lives, freedoms and earning potential"?
As for "isn’t going to kill you" -
https://www.google.com/search?q=covid+deaths+uk+this+week&oq=covid+deaths+uk
Not to mention serious effects of Long Covid. | |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 16:28 - Jun 6 with 831 views | STYG |
Unfortunately he's one of those that has an opinion and must force it on others. Whilst shouting at people to stop trying to impact other people.
As many here have said Covid is over, so as long as it doesn't personally affect you then screw anyone who might be at risk from it. Or something like that.
I feel exactly the same way about covid crowds as I do seeing kids taking selfies on cliff tops. It made me very uncomfortable but ultimately there's nothing I can do about it. What I won't have though is some idiot here telling me I don't have a choice not to stand on the same cliff edge myself. I do and I will exercise that right how I want.
90 people died from Covid on 1 June. An average of 55 that week, so 375 in a week. I'm glad that for Joey that these people aren't important and it's below his giving a f___ threshold.
At no point have I said shut anything down or change anything. Just that I'll continue to do what I can where it doesn't impact me - eg wearing a mask indoors. [Post edited 6 Jun 2022 16:31]
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 16:38 - Jun 6 with 811 views | Ryorry |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 16:23 - Jun 6 by Kropotkin123 |
Whether they choose to recognise, articulate or even be aware of it, celebrating "70 years of the Queen's reign" is celebrating the queen as head of the government. There is no disintangling the two, one comes with the other.
It is people's right to recognise and oppose this, at this moment in time, if they so choose. |
I agree, but "diagnosing" other people, including fellow fans on this site, as "brainwashed" "hysterical" "not very bright" etc. because they say they admire the current Queen & the shift she's put in, is totally out of order - esp when those sme people have also said they support those with mental health issues. Rank hypocrisy.
It's not just a thing re this issue, it's something often appearing through threads on here. | |
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