| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy 21:22 - Jun 4 with 10624 views | STYG |
Nothing against the Queen. Wonderful woman.
But have to say I’m not feeling the way I have during previous celebrations where I haven’t minded them. I know people are in this position because of the government and not the monarchy and both the common person and monarchy should be able to thrive together.
But as someone here said a few days ago, if you conceived the idea of the monarchy now you’d be laughed out of town. We are going to give a family wealth beyond imagination, allow them to have the power if they wished to intervene in the most important of matters and they’ll continue to have children born ‘to reign over us’. It truly is absurd really.
With Covid still being rife, the thought of packed crowds of hundreds of thousands, some struggling to pay bills, all lined up together to celebrate the Queen seems madness. But in fairness as I say I do admire the woman but when she’s sadly not with us any longer I do hope there’s a massive shift in how the public feels about the monarchy. |  | | |  |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 20:14 - Jun 6 with 1150 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 16:24 - Jun 6 by STYG |
WTF are you on about? 'Stop trying to impact other peoples lives'.
At what point have I tried to do that. I don't feel totally comfortable with lifting all restrictions. I have elderly and vulnerable relatives for whom life isn't back to normal. That is how I feel. Ironically, you are trying to tell me how to feel and trying to impact my life with your constant suggestion of how I should feel. Do one.
As for the whole 'isn't going to kill you', it probably won't. But I know people who have died from covid, even after a vaccination or two, so again, stop assuming that everybody is perfectly healthy or doesn't have an underlying health condition. You've got no idea what my medical history is, how dangerous covid would be to me, my family or my friends, so with all due respect you can do one with your patronising need to tell me what you think or feel.
As I have repeatedly said I fully understand why there are no restrictions in place and how this works for the majority, but I am apparently not allowed to show any empathy for now for the minority who are now in constant fear of contracting covid and dying?
I'd love to know how me wearing a facemask because I don't feel comfortable not doing so in case I pass covid onto someone is impacting other peoples lives, freedoms and earning potential, when if anything, I am in some minute way, actually likely to be helping their lives, freedoms and earning potentials through a miniscule increased chance of protecting them from passing covid on.
Perhaps if we are done here, you can tell me what I should think about everything else. Muppet. |
What a load of nonsense you’ve made that up!
You were talking about still having a sliding scale of restrictions and crowds gathering, saying you weren’t happy with restaurants and footy either. You can wear 5 masks for all I care it really doesn’t impact me, international restrictions have had a major impact though and no we shouldn’t go back there.
The good news is you don’t have to join crowds or stand on the cliff (which is a bit of a weird analogy). No one is asking you too, nor is anyone asking any person who doesn’t feel comfortable or vulnerable to do anything they don’t want. The good news is everyone has the choice to stay in. Hundreds of people die every day in the UK, many test positive for Covid like a lot of the population. Check the ONS data on deaths per year in 2022 compared to pre pandemic. Covid on it’s own isn’t raging through populations and killing thousands each week. Personal responsibility decisions and each to their own at this point, not government intervention based on quite a lot of nonsense and politics. |  | | |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 20:24 - Jun 6 with 1137 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 16:38 - Jun 6 by Ryorry |
I agree, but "diagnosing" other people, including fellow fans on this site, as "brainwashed" "hysterical" "not very bright" etc. because they say they admire the current Queen & the shift she's put in, is totally out of order - esp when those sme people have also said they support those with mental health issues. Rank hypocrisy.
It's not just a thing re this issue, it's something often appearing through threads on here. |
Quite, I completely agree, and have spoken up on this recently regarding another subject too. |  |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 20:34 - Jun 6 with 1120 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 16:38 - Jun 6 by Ryorry |
I agree, but "diagnosing" other people, including fellow fans on this site, as "brainwashed" "hysterical" "not very bright" etc. because they say they admire the current Queen & the shift she's put in, is totally out of order - esp when those sme people have also said they support those with mental health issues. Rank hypocrisy.
It's not just a thing re this issue, it's something often appearing through threads on here. |
What on earth has this got to do with mental health issues?! What a leap!
People love the monarchy due to years of stories and symbols (such as flags, imagery, depictions of the Queen on stamps and money etc.) This is undeniable. That's why it's done. It in no way says people are mentally ill though. We all fall for these stories and symbols because we're human. Shame on you for trying to twist it into an attack on mental illness. |  |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 23:07 - Jun 6 with 1075 views | Ryorry |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 20:14 - Jun 6 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
What a load of nonsense you’ve made that up!
You were talking about still having a sliding scale of restrictions and crowds gathering, saying you weren’t happy with restaurants and footy either. You can wear 5 masks for all I care it really doesn’t impact me, international restrictions have had a major impact though and no we shouldn’t go back there.
The good news is you don’t have to join crowds or stand on the cliff (which is a bit of a weird analogy). No one is asking you too, nor is anyone asking any person who doesn’t feel comfortable or vulnerable to do anything they don’t want. The good news is everyone has the choice to stay in. Hundreds of people die every day in the UK, many test positive for Covid like a lot of the population. Check the ONS data on deaths per year in 2022 compared to pre pandemic. Covid on it’s own isn’t raging through populations and killing thousands each week. Personal responsibility decisions and each to their own at this point, not government intervention based on quite a lot of nonsense and politics. |
Clinically vulnerable people do *not* have the choice to stay in to receive all the treatments they need for their condition/s - they have to go out to health centres, clinics & hospitals for regular blood & other tests, physio, dialysis, consultations etc.
Those are the same NHS clinics & hospitals that in Feb. this year Boris Johnson *instructed* to remove all masking & distancing etc regulations (in effect, it could be alleged, advocating a policy of manslaughter) - otherwise he would "name and shame" them. |  |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 09:14 - Jun 7 with 962 views | unbelievablue |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 15:23 - Jun 6 by Ryorry |
? Sorry don't get you. |
"Some people seem to have forgotten that the Jubilee celebrations are about the Queen herself & her 70 years reign, not about 'the monarchy'."
Personally I find it impossible to separate the queen and her reign from the institution of the monarchy. It'd be like celebrating a particularly long-standing Pope but separating them from the Catholic Church. |  |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 09:17 - Jun 7 with 959 views | unbelievablue |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 16:28 - Jun 6 by STYG |
Unfortunately he's one of those that has an opinion and must force it on others. Whilst shouting at people to stop trying to impact other people.
As many here have said Covid is over, so as long as it doesn't personally affect you then screw anyone who might be at risk from it. Or something like that.
I feel exactly the same way about covid crowds as I do seeing kids taking selfies on cliff tops. It made me very uncomfortable but ultimately there's nothing I can do about it. What I won't have though is some idiot here telling me I don't have a choice not to stand on the same cliff edge myself. I do and I will exercise that right how I want.
90 people died from Covid on 1 June. An average of 55 that week, so 375 in a week. I'm glad that for Joey that these people aren't important and it's below his giving a f___ threshold.
At no point have I said shut anything down or change anything. Just that I'll continue to do what I can where it doesn't impact me - eg wearing a mask indoors. [Post edited 6 Jun 2022 16:31]
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"90 people died from Covid on 1 June." doesn't seem a fair representation of the facts though, now.
Is it not - "90 people who died on the 1st of June had tested positive for Covid in the previous month."?
Do correct me if I'm wrong. [Post edited 7 Jun 2022 9:19]
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 09:32 - Jun 7 with 927 views | FrimleyBlue |
Genuine question. I've never though anything of the royal family other than being great for the tourist industry. Do many people really feel that they reign over us? Unless I am mistaken, have any members of the royal family put in place something that the country weren't aware of or had a chance to vote on? ( Obviously ignoring the old old days) |  |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 09:37 - Jun 7 with 941 views | J2BLUE |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 09:32 - Jun 7 by FrimleyBlue |
Genuine question. I've never though anything of the royal family other than being great for the tourist industry. Do many people really feel that they reign over us? Unless I am mistaken, have any members of the royal family put in place something that the country weren't aware of or had a chance to vote on? ( Obviously ignoring the old old days) |
A Disneyland would be great for the tourism industry.
Buckingham Palace without the royal family would be great for the tourism industry.
This argument is so weak it's embarrassing people continue to make it.
Oh and what they do that we can't vote on is produce the next head of state. |  |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 09:41 - Jun 7 with 936 views | DanTheMan |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 09:37 - Jun 7 by J2BLUE |
A Disneyland would be great for the tourism industry.
Buckingham Palace without the royal family would be great for the tourism industry.
This argument is so weak it's embarrassing people continue to make it.
Oh and what they do that we can't vote on is produce the next head of state. |
I do find the palace argument very weak.
It's not like people don't go and see Versailles because there are no French monarchs. |  |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 09:42 - Jun 7 with 913 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 09:37 - Jun 7 by J2BLUE |
A Disneyland would be great for the tourism industry.
Buckingham Palace without the royal family would be great for the tourism industry.
This argument is so weak it's embarrassing people continue to make it.
Oh and what they do that we can't vote on is produce the next head of state. |
No argument from me J2, just genuine question about them as that's literally all I thought they were still in place for as I don't really understand the need for them. | |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 09:43 - Jun 7 with 929 views | J2BLUE |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 09:41 - Jun 7 by DanTheMan |
I do find the palace argument very weak.
It's not like people don't go and see Versailles because there are no French monarchs. |
Agree, and i'm sure we'd give our royal family a much nicer ending and allow them to keep one residence with a generous 'wage' to keep supporting their various causes. | |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 09:48 - Jun 7 with 921 views | itfcjoe |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 09:41 - Jun 7 by DanTheMan |
I do find the palace argument very weak.
It's not like people don't go and see Versailles because there are no French monarchs. |
I was in Windsor on Sunday and Monday, I find it hard to believe the tourism in that town wouldn't be massively reduced without the royal family.
It wouldn't all go away, but so much based on it is where the Queen is, or similar to the garden parties at Buck House etc - without the Royal Family they would just be nice lookign and historic buildings - as opposed to the living and breathing buildings they currently are in addition.
It will never be able to be quantifed, and neither would the 'TV and Internet advertising space' that a Royal wedding or Jubilee gives us around the world. |  |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 09:57 - Jun 7 with 909 views | DanTheMan |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 09:48 - Jun 7 by itfcjoe |
I was in Windsor on Sunday and Monday, I find it hard to believe the tourism in that town wouldn't be massively reduced without the royal family.
It wouldn't all go away, but so much based on it is where the Queen is, or similar to the garden parties at Buck House etc - without the Royal Family they would just be nice lookign and historic buildings - as opposed to the living and breathing buildings they currently are in addition.
It will never be able to be quantifed, and neither would the 'TV and Internet advertising space' that a Royal wedding or Jubilee gives us around the world. |
Plenty of people visit nice looking historic buildings in many other countries that have removed their monarchies.
But as you say it's almost impossible to quantify, which is why I tend to just ignore the argument as it will usually just come down to which side of the fence you're on as to which way you argue. And I include myself in that. | |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 10:01 - Jun 7 with 904 views | itfcjoe |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 09:57 - Jun 7 by DanTheMan |
Plenty of people visit nice looking historic buildings in many other countries that have removed their monarchies.
But as you say it's almost impossible to quantify, which is why I tend to just ignore the argument as it will usually just come down to which side of the fence you're on as to which way you argue. And I include myself in that. |
I'm sure I have my bias in it, but it feels an undoubted fact that they do increase levels of tourism - but no one could say whether they do it by enough as a straight justification of cost vs income | |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 12:31 - Jun 7 with 834 views | Ryorry |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 09:14 - Jun 7 by unbelievablue |
"Some people seem to have forgotten that the Jubilee celebrations are about the Queen herself & her 70 years reign, not about 'the monarchy'."
Personally I find it impossible to separate the queen and her reign from the institution of the monarchy. It'd be like celebrating a particularly long-standing Pope but separating them from the Catholic Church. |
Ah right, thanks, got it - think that was covered via convo with Kropotkin while you were off-site 👠| |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 14:28 - Jun 7 with 778 views | bluelagos |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 10:01 - Jun 7 by itfcjoe |
I'm sure I have my bias in it, but it feels an undoubted fact that they do increase levels of tourism - but no one could say whether they do it by enough as a straight justification of cost vs income |
Clearly the monarchy increase levels of tourism.
But who's to say that not having a monarchy and instead opening up all the royal palaces/residents to tourism wouldn't increase the numbers of tourists even more?
Versailles has 10m paying visitors pa. Buckingham palace would am sure attract an awful lot of tourists. Throw in Kensington palace, Sandringham, Balmoral...
The "They bring in tourism" argument doesn't stand up imho given that we could bring in more tourism by fully opening up all the palaces and generate huge revenues and visitor numbers. |  |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 14:34 - Jun 7 with 761 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 14:28 - Jun 7 by bluelagos |
Clearly the monarchy increase levels of tourism.
But who's to say that not having a monarchy and instead opening up all the royal palaces/residents to tourism wouldn't increase the numbers of tourists even more?
Versailles has 10m paying visitors pa. Buckingham palace would am sure attract an awful lot of tourists. Throw in Kensington palace, Sandringham, Balmoral...
The "They bring in tourism" argument doesn't stand up imho given that we could bring in more tourism by fully opening up all the palaces and generate huge revenues and visitor numbers. |
The thing is there is no reliable data to prove /disprove the “Royals bring in tourism” trope (see various Factchecks).
More people visit Chester Zoo than Windsor castle, and it’s not as if you might catch a glimpse of them strolling round in a smoking jacket if you go.
I mean maybe they do increase tourism - no-one has ever visited Paris since the revolution… | | | |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 14:43 - Jun 7 with 746 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 10:01 - Jun 7 by itfcjoe |
I'm sure I have my bias in it, but it feels an undoubted fact that they do increase levels of tourism - but no one could say whether they do it by enough as a straight justification of cost vs income |
I'm not sure how anything can "feel" like an "undoubted fact."
As others have said, Paris hardly suffers from a lack of tourism. | |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 15:12 - Jun 7 with 730 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 14:28 - Jun 7 by bluelagos |
Clearly the monarchy increase levels of tourism.
But who's to say that not having a monarchy and instead opening up all the royal palaces/residents to tourism wouldn't increase the numbers of tourists even more?
Versailles has 10m paying visitors pa. Buckingham palace would am sure attract an awful lot of tourists. Throw in Kensington palace, Sandringham, Balmoral...
The "They bring in tourism" argument doesn't stand up imho given that we could bring in more tourism by fully opening up all the palaces and generate huge revenues and visitor numbers. |
I think their existence brings in tourism rather than their property. Of course people want to see where they live or have lived and that would continue with or without them but it's the whole notion of the royals to the yanks and the Chinese that fascinates. And of course that's the bit that is impossible to quantify. | | | |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 15:30 - Jun 7 with 702 views | itfcjoe |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 14:43 - Jun 7 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I'm not sure how anything can "feel" like an "undoubted fact."
As others have said, Paris hardly suffers from a lack of tourism. |
Tourism to the UK isn't going to stop if the royals go, but it's clear there are plenty who visit specifically for the royals, i.e. over the last weekend there were reems of people interviewed from abroad who were here.
I've never heard of anyone going to Paris purely to visit their former royal quarters, they go there and pick that up amongst the rest of their visit. | |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 15:44 - Jun 7 with 675 views | Darth_Koont |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 10:01 - Jun 7 by itfcjoe |
I'm sure I have my bias in it, but it feels an undoubted fact that they do increase levels of tourism - but no one could say whether they do it by enough as a straight justification of cost vs income |
“It feels an undoubted fact ...”
Welcome to 2022. |  |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 15:51 - Jun 7 with 660 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 15:44 - Jun 7 by Darth_Koont |
“It feels an undoubted fact ...”
Welcome to 2022. |
Is that Welcome just your feeling, or an undoubted fact? ;-) |  |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 15:54 - Jun 7 with 655 views | Darth_Koont |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 15:51 - Jun 7 by Ewan_Oozami |
Is that Welcome just your feeling, or an undoubted fact? ;-) |
It is 2022 – and you’re welcome to it!
Two facts for the price of one. With a bit of feeling thrown in. 😀 | |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 16:44 - Jun 7 with 616 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 15:30 - Jun 7 by itfcjoe |
Tourism to the UK isn't going to stop if the royals go, but it's clear there are plenty who visit specifically for the royals, i.e. over the last weekend there were reems of people interviewed from abroad who were here.
I've never heard of anyone going to Paris purely to visit their former royal quarters, they go there and pick that up amongst the rest of their visit. |
To be fair, most people I hear of coming here don't come specifically for the royal stuff, they pick it up amongst the rest of their visit.
The BBC is bound to interview an excited tourist, it makes good telly. Doesn't mean it's the norm. | |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 16:48 - Jun 7 with 607 views | jeera |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 16:44 - Jun 7 by The_Flashing_Smile |
To be fair, most people I hear of coming here don't come specifically for the royal stuff, they pick it up amongst the rest of their visit.
The BBC is bound to interview an excited tourist, it makes good telly. Doesn't mean it's the norm. |
Every 25 years we can look forward to another influx.
That's got to be worth keeping the institution going. |  |
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