| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy 21:22 - Jun 4 with 10622 views | STYG |
Nothing against the Queen. Wonderful woman.
But have to say I’m not feeling the way I have during previous celebrations where I haven’t minded them. I know people are in this position because of the government and not the monarchy and both the common person and monarchy should be able to thrive together.
But as someone here said a few days ago, if you conceived the idea of the monarchy now you’d be laughed out of town. We are going to give a family wealth beyond imagination, allow them to have the power if they wished to intervene in the most important of matters and they’ll continue to have children born ‘to reign over us’. It truly is absurd really.
With Covid still being rife, the thought of packed crowds of hundreds of thousands, some struggling to pay bills, all lined up together to celebrate the Queen seems madness. But in fairness as I say I do admire the woman but when she’s sadly not with us any longer I do hope there’s a massive shift in how the public feels about the monarchy. |  | | |  |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 18:15 - Jun 5 with 1721 views | Churchman |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 17:42 - Jun 5 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
“free events live on TV”
Point of order there is £30m of taxpayers money contributed for the jubilee events, so not really free! Would rather it had been spent on the NHS at a time you have to wait months to have a consultation. |
How much spending/income and therefore tax revenue did the Jubilee generate? No idea, any more than anyone knows what the London Olympics generated.
By April 2018, government had spent an additional £400m on Brexit preparations - some of it on my salary!! Much more since (£8bn?). The 2021 NHS budget was £176.5bn. The Jubilee gave plenty of people a lot of pleasure and while £30m sounds a lot to a pleb like me, it’s not a lot of money in the macro sense.
Interestingly, the Festival of Britain was held in 1951. The tories were violently opposed to it on the basis of cost/money could be better spent and that it was a distraction of working people who needed to be at the grindstone to repair the war torn economy. Attlee and co pushed it and it proved an enormous success for all sorts of reasons.
The tories of course wanted it torn down and did just that, with the exception of Festival Hall (they wanted that demolished too, but fortunately it survived).
Sometimes, a distraction like the Jubilee has positives that defy the logic of money could be better spent. That’s just my view.
In terms of the OP, I’m happy to see the monarchy either change or be replaced - provided the replacement works. A Macron, Trump, Biden, Putin, Oban, the Turkish mush is the last thing we need. If a slimmed version of a constitutional monarchy survives the mob that sit beneath it feeding off it - privilege - has to go, including the House of Lords. That can be replaced by a House of Representatives, US style.
Just a view. |  | | |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 18:21 - Jun 5 with 1708 views | J2BLUE |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 18:15 - Jun 5 by Churchman |
How much spending/income and therefore tax revenue did the Jubilee generate? No idea, any more than anyone knows what the London Olympics generated.
By April 2018, government had spent an additional £400m on Brexit preparations - some of it on my salary!! Much more since (£8bn?). The 2021 NHS budget was £176.5bn. The Jubilee gave plenty of people a lot of pleasure and while £30m sounds a lot to a pleb like me, it’s not a lot of money in the macro sense.
Interestingly, the Festival of Britain was held in 1951. The tories were violently opposed to it on the basis of cost/money could be better spent and that it was a distraction of working people who needed to be at the grindstone to repair the war torn economy. Attlee and co pushed it and it proved an enormous success for all sorts of reasons.
The tories of course wanted it torn down and did just that, with the exception of Festival Hall (they wanted that demolished too, but fortunately it survived).
Sometimes, a distraction like the Jubilee has positives that defy the logic of money could be better spent. That’s just my view.
In terms of the OP, I’m happy to see the monarchy either change or be replaced - provided the replacement works. A Macron, Trump, Biden, Putin, Oban, the Turkish mush is the last thing we need. If a slimmed version of a constitutional monarchy survives the mob that sit beneath it feeding off it - privilege - has to go, including the House of Lords. That can be replaced by a House of Representatives, US style.
Just a view. |
£30m including all the security? If so that is fairly ‘cheap’. |  |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 18:31 - Jun 5 with 1683 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 18:21 - Jun 5 by J2BLUE |
£30m including all the security? If so that is fairly ‘cheap’. |
£28 million to be precise. |  |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 18:45 - Jun 5 with 1654 views | XYZ |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 18:21 - Jun 5 by J2BLUE |
£30m including all the security? If so that is fairly ‘cheap’. |
There's a lot of creative accounting that goes into these things.
How much would it cost to hire all the squaddies and their horses? It cost nothing because we were paying them anyway.
The cops and security? Well, we were paying them anyway.
Anyone that comes up with an "exact" number is playing games. It all depends on how you count it.
Personally, I don't think the "cost" is a material aspect of the argument. Whatever the system, regular spending on "community feel good" events is, of itself, not necessarily a bad thing. | | | |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 19:05 - Jun 5 with 1642 views | HARRY10 |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 17:52 - Jun 5 by have_a_word_with_him |
Who are these multi-billionaires that we are "subsidising" and in what way, and how do you subsidise someone's ability to opt out of a law? You think that the wealth of all financially comfortable people was earned, I'm sorry to tell you but inheriting wealth is very real and contributes to the eternal divide between the haves and the have nots. Always has been and always will be. Targeting the monarchy is simply focusing on a very miniscule element of the wider issue, and at least the monarchy makes a decent wedge in tourism and international reputation for the UK, but let's just ignore that. I'm a socialist at heart, you really have to pick your focus where it is most impactful though, anti-monarchy is just very very limited and won't make even the tiniest bit of positive benefit, and at worst an awful lot of negative impact. |
"but inheriting wealth is very real and contributes to the eternal divide between the haves and the have nots. Always has been and always will be. "
Yes that was one of the defining characteristics of the hunter gatherer societies .... inherited wealth
the fact than 9/10ths of human existence was lived in what is termed 'primitive communism' seems to be overlooked by our angry rightie, as is the fact he has no knowledge of how society will evolve in the future
in fact angry righties seem to be the order of the day, as speaking to a fellow 'non believer' it appears we, and I suspect others, have both been verbally attacked by these devotees
my saying(in reply to his question) why I was not celebrating, "not interested " upset this rightie who became very indignant and accused me of not being patriotic, hating 'our' (his version) country, "and if it was the EU president I would be celebrating".... and worse
unfortunately the not too bright do suffer these outbreaks of mass hysteria, it was the same when Diana died, unless you were wailing in the street and rending your clothes you were a traitor - however I expect it will all be over come Monday, and these folk will meekly and dutifully trot back to their role as a subservient toiler
meantime these thoughts do ring true
People like to worship and believe the object of their worship brings about all the good things which happen in their lives, and prevents bad things happening, like a God. The extraordinary opulence convinces them that this is so. A golden carriage with the monarch adorned with jewellery, crown etc is hypnotising. The monarch is a God they actually see and hear. So in addition to religion, they have their Queen(King). What a progression from the times of worshipping trees | | | |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 19:29 - Jun 5 with 1615 views | noggin |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 17:49 - Jun 5 by Ryorry |
If you could guarantee it would be directly diverted to the NHS, I'm sure many, including myself, would agree with you.
Tho there are also those in the medical profession who'd say that music, dance, theatre etc. are mood lifters which are proven health improvers (see 'Just One Thing', R4 docu episode re dance, eg.) |
I reckon some doctors might look at the alcohol consumption (and other substances) this weekend as detrimental to health |  |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 19:40 - Jun 5 with 1591 views | have_a_word_with_him |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 19:05 - Jun 5 by HARRY10 |
"but inheriting wealth is very real and contributes to the eternal divide between the haves and the have nots. Always has been and always will be. "
Yes that was one of the defining characteristics of the hunter gatherer societies .... inherited wealth
the fact than 9/10ths of human existence was lived in what is termed 'primitive communism' seems to be overlooked by our angry rightie, as is the fact he has no knowledge of how society will evolve in the future
in fact angry righties seem to be the order of the day, as speaking to a fellow 'non believer' it appears we, and I suspect others, have both been verbally attacked by these devotees
my saying(in reply to his question) why I was not celebrating, "not interested " upset this rightie who became very indignant and accused me of not being patriotic, hating 'our' (his version) country, "and if it was the EU president I would be celebrating".... and worse
unfortunately the not too bright do suffer these outbreaks of mass hysteria, it was the same when Diana died, unless you were wailing in the street and rending your clothes you were a traitor - however I expect it will all be over come Monday, and these folk will meekly and dutifully trot back to their role as a subservient toiler
meantime these thoughts do ring true
People like to worship and believe the object of their worship brings about all the good things which happen in their lives, and prevents bad things happening, like a God. The extraordinary opulence convinces them that this is so. A golden carriage with the monarch adorned with jewellery, crown etc is hypnotising. The monarch is a God they actually see and hear. So in addition to religion, they have their Queen(King). What a progression from the times of worshipping trees |
Very good, I think we could enjoy a level and emotionless discussion over a pint, thumbs up sir. [Post edited 5 Jun 2022 19:42]
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 20:14 - Jun 5 with 1551 views | STYG |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 16:14 - Jun 5 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Covid again! Are you really still doing that?
By that nature you should hate football, rugby, cricket, restaurants, bars and about everything else people enjoy in life. Get over it! |
Get over Covid. How very American.
If you want to point out where else half a million people have been packed in together then fine.
Doesn’t mean I’m totally happy with football or restaurants or gigs but I bet you can’t name a single other event where this many people, in Covid times, have gathered so closely together in such numbers.
So yeah. | | | |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 20:19 - Jun 5 with 1536 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 18:21 - Jun 5 by J2BLUE |
£30m including all the security? If so that is fairly ‘cheap’. |
It’s all relative innit. That £30m would only provide £2 to each of the 14.5-15 million people in poverty in the UK. So practically nothing.
Meanwhile we wasted £4.3 billion on covid fraud in 1 year (=£286 one off payment to pp in poverty)
The next phase of Trident is estimated at £150-200 bn, depending who you listen to (=£10,000 to £13,333 pp in poverty over the next 10 years).
The 4% of GDP negative impact of Brexit, c. 80 bn per year = £5,333 pp in poverty per year
It seems like the Jubilee celebrations are a bit of a bargain. Not a lot of £ to provide a boost to moral after the crap times of covid and cost of living pressures, plus a period of especially bitter division because of Brexit. |  |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 20:32 - Jun 5 with 1518 views | XYZ |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 20:19 - Jun 5 by Swansea_Blue |
It’s all relative innit. That £30m would only provide £2 to each of the 14.5-15 million people in poverty in the UK. So practically nothing.
Meanwhile we wasted £4.3 billion on covid fraud in 1 year (=£286 one off payment to pp in poverty)
The next phase of Trident is estimated at £150-200 bn, depending who you listen to (=£10,000 to £13,333 pp in poverty over the next 10 years).
The 4% of GDP negative impact of Brexit, c. 80 bn per year = £5,333 pp in poverty per year
It seems like the Jubilee celebrations are a bit of a bargain. Not a lot of £ to provide a boost to moral after the crap times of covid and cost of living pressures, plus a period of especially bitter division because of Brexit. |
Quite.
In terms of wasted money, this weekend doesn't make the 40-day declarations, let alone the starting line. | | | |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 20:36 - Jun 5 with 1515 views | HARRY10 |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 20:19 - Jun 5 by Swansea_Blue |
It’s all relative innit. That £30m would only provide £2 to each of the 14.5-15 million people in poverty in the UK. So practically nothing.
Meanwhile we wasted £4.3 billion on covid fraud in 1 year (=£286 one off payment to pp in poverty)
The next phase of Trident is estimated at £150-200 bn, depending who you listen to (=£10,000 to £13,333 pp in poverty over the next 10 years).
The 4% of GDP negative impact of Brexit, c. 80 bn per year = £5,333 pp in poverty per year
It seems like the Jubilee celebrations are a bit of a bargain. Not a lot of £ to provide a boost to moral after the crap times of covid and cost of living pressures, plus a period of especially bitter division because of Brexit. |
rather reminds me of a recollection by a Titanic survivor
no choice but to pee themselves when in the water, the warmth that provided lasted but a few seconds
I fear we are in the same freezing water, with only the same temporary distraction
much like being allowed a few seconds pause on the steps up to the scaffold | | | |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 21:13 - Jun 5 with 1481 views | SitfcB |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 20:14 - Jun 5 by STYG |
Get over Covid. How very American.
If you want to point out where else half a million people have been packed in together then fine.
Doesn’t mean I’m totally happy with football or restaurants or gigs but I bet you can’t name a single other event where this many people, in Covid times, have gathered so closely together in such numbers.
So yeah. |
Time to get on with your life and stop worrying about covid. It’s basically over. |  |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 21:18 - Jun 5 with 1469 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 20:36 - Jun 5 by HARRY10 |
rather reminds me of a recollection by a Titanic survivor
no choice but to pee themselves when in the water, the warmth that provided lasted but a few seconds
I fear we are in the same freezing water, with only the same temporary distraction
much like being allowed a few seconds pause on the steps up to the scaffold |
It’s a coming together of people across the uk to enjoy themselves for a few days. Hardly a disaster. Christ knows we need cheering up. It doesn’t change anything of course, but who cares. Irrespective of whether people are pro- or anti-royalty, it’s healing some of the wounds of the last few years and helping people reconnect. | |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 21:31 - Jun 5 with 1463 views | StochesStotasBlewe |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 21:18 - Jun 5 by Swansea_Blue |
It’s a coming together of people across the uk to enjoy themselves for a few days. Hardly a disaster. Christ knows we need cheering up. It doesn’t change anything of course, but who cares. Irrespective of whether people are pro- or anti-royalty, it’s healing some of the wounds of the last few years and helping people reconnect. |
Absolutely.
Enjoyed the last few days.
Mr SSB is very much for the scrapping of the monarchy. I, on the other hand am not.
However, we've spent some quality time together at the local pub and at the village jubilee parties, met some different people and had a good time together with good company. |  |
| We have no village green, or a shop.
It's very, very quiet.
I can walk to the pub. |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 22:03 - Jun 5 with 1439 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 21:31 - Jun 5 by StochesStotasBlewe |
Absolutely.
Enjoyed the last few days.
Mr SSB is very much for the scrapping of the monarchy. I, on the other hand am not.
However, we've spent some quality time together at the local pub and at the village jubilee parties, met some different people and had a good time together with good company. |
Yeah, well I’ve gone the opposite way to the OP it seems. I started off quite cynical as my Mrs is very anti-UK monarchy. But all I’ve seen over the last few days is people enjoying themselves. That’s fine by me whatever the cause. It won’t especially change my view of the royals (I’m very ‘meh’ about the principle and many seem utterly pointless and spoilt), but that not the point is it? Criticising others for having a good weekend comes across as petty and doesn’t add anything to the debate about the future of the Royals.
I still think people with bunting are tragic though! | |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 22:21 - Jun 5 with 1414 views | Ryorry |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 19:29 - Jun 5 by noggin |
I reckon some doctors might look at the alcohol consumption (and other substances) this weekend as detrimental to health |
Well it might not actually be measurable in terms of "feelgood factor", bringing people together in community events etc., but think the problems you mention would likely be small negatives far outweighed by the positives. |  |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 22:47 - Jun 5 with 1386 views | Ryorry |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 22:03 - Jun 5 by Swansea_Blue |
Yeah, well I’ve gone the opposite way to the OP it seems. I started off quite cynical as my Mrs is very anti-UK monarchy. But all I’ve seen over the last few days is people enjoying themselves. That’s fine by me whatever the cause. It won’t especially change my view of the royals (I’m very ‘meh’ about the principle and many seem utterly pointless and spoilt), but that not the point is it? Criticising others for having a good weekend comes across as petty and doesn’t add anything to the debate about the future of the Royals.
I still think people with bunting are tragic though! |
Agreed (until your final sentence! Personally, I do think bunting's slightly toe-curling - esp the Union Jack variety - but whatever makes people happy is fine by me).
Your point about criticising others for having a good weekend struck a particular chord. Insults & derogatory comments flung about (including someone describing the Queen in downright abusive terms), which I just don't get. If they'd be happier with a republic & want to express that via civil debate, fine, but if not then all they're doing is inviting unfavourable comparisons with the Queen who even manages to bite her tongue & remain dignified despite having to dealing with people like Trump & Johnson! | |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 23:31 - Jun 5 with 1344 views | STYG |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 22:03 - Jun 5 by Swansea_Blue |
Yeah, well I’ve gone the opposite way to the OP it seems. I started off quite cynical as my Mrs is very anti-UK monarchy. But all I’ve seen over the last few days is people enjoying themselves. That’s fine by me whatever the cause. It won’t especially change my view of the royals (I’m very ‘meh’ about the principle and many seem utterly pointless and spoilt), but that not the point is it? Criticising others for having a good weekend comes across as petty and doesn’t add anything to the debate about the future of the Royals.
I still think people with bunting are tragic though! |
Have no issue at all with people enjoying themselves and it has been the nice thing about this weekend. After the few years we’ve had it’s been nice to see people getting together and celebrating.
I do think the monarchy is unfit for the modern world but also think the queen is an incredibly woman worthy of celebrating. At no time have I had any issue with people enjoying themselves, just not a fan of half a million people all being packed in together at this point in time but others clearly think Covid is over now. | | | |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 23:51 - Jun 5 with 1336 views | nodge_blue |
Maybe the tangible money in and intangible good will, in terms of visitors to London and GB, outweighs what the public gives each year? |  |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 23:57 - Jun 5 with 1328 views | Churchman |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 20:36 - Jun 5 by HARRY10 |
rather reminds me of a recollection by a Titanic survivor
no choice but to pee themselves when in the water, the warmth that provided lasted but a few seconds
I fear we are in the same freezing water, with only the same temporary distraction
much like being allowed a few seconds pause on the steps up to the scaffold |
One Titanic survivor got himself blind drunk in the knowledge it was all over and survived in the water far longer than he should have done. Basically the night.
Maybe that’s your solution. | | | |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 02:13 - Jun 6 with 1288 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 20:14 - Jun 5 by STYG |
Get over Covid. How very American.
If you want to point out where else half a million people have been packed in together then fine.
Doesn’t mean I’m totally happy with football or restaurants or gigs but I bet you can’t name a single other event where this many people, in Covid times, have gathered so closely together in such numbers.
So yeah. |
You are right, shut it all down and ruin peoples lives and livelihoods again.
Was 500k in one place at one time? I haven't really bothered to look it up but who cares anymore at this point. There was 150k at the Indy 500 last week just being one example of what's happening every weekend for ages.
People have been making their own decisions, mixing without an issue for sometime. Most people have had the vaccine, basically everyone has had covid, worry about medical things that have a much greater chance of killing you.
People have a weird mindset, not being happy about seeing large groups and folks enjoying themselves again after the nonsense we have been through. Going to take a while to mentally shift the weird 10% that seems to keep cheering on the misery from behind their keyboards.
Finally - interesting you note it as "covid times". Covid isn't going anywhere. People getting it (multiple times) isn't getting rid of it, the vaccines aren't getting rid of it, locking down again isn't getting rid of it. So to be in non covid times isn't going to be a reality. It will just be a something that is around like other respiratory viruses. Luckily (and this isn't making light of the horror of 2020 and early 2021) but with vaccines and natural immunity, everyone has antibodies and if it was that bad for the general population now we would all probably be dead ianyway. [Post edited 6 Jun 2022 2:30]
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 07:51 - Jun 6 with 1204 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 23:31 - Jun 5 by STYG |
Have no issue at all with people enjoying themselves and it has been the nice thing about this weekend. After the few years we’ve had it’s been nice to see people getting together and celebrating.
I do think the monarchy is unfit for the modern world but also think the queen is an incredibly woman worthy of celebrating. At no time have I had any issue with people enjoying themselves, just not a fan of half a million people all being packed in together at this point in time but others clearly think Covid is over now. |
You cannot be serious? However, if you are, at what point will you be declaring covid “over”? Tubes etc have been packed for months now, as have sports stadiums, shopping centres, clubs, bars etc. | | | |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 08:08 - Jun 6 with 1186 views | brazil1982 |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 23:51 - Jun 5 by nodge_blue |
Maybe the tangible money in and intangible good will, in terms of visitors to London and GB, outweighs what the public gives each year? |
What does the public give? |  | | |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 08:38 - Jun 6 with 1164 views | Vic |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 22:03 - Jun 5 by Swansea_Blue |
Yeah, well I’ve gone the opposite way to the OP it seems. I started off quite cynical as my Mrs is very anti-UK monarchy. But all I’ve seen over the last few days is people enjoying themselves. That’s fine by me whatever the cause. It won’t especially change my view of the royals (I’m very ‘meh’ about the principle and many seem utterly pointless and spoilt), but that not the point is it? Criticising others for having a good weekend comes across as petty and doesn’t add anything to the debate about the future of the Royals.
I still think people with bunting are tragic though! |
Thinking about it, the bunting, etc, has meant contracts and work to make it and all the other flags, mugs, etc, that has helped a number of people. In our village the RBL had a raffle at the fete which raised a load of money to help the veterans, etc.
I reckon the £30mill was easily offset by the benefits to the community, to local pus and social clubs (ours took more in one day than in a year!) and other businesses. The good will and community cohesion was well worth the effort of all the planning, organising and money spent. |  |
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| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 08:49 - Jun 6 with 1157 views | STYG |
| Three days in and I’ve finally turned on the monarchy on 02:13 - Jun 6 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
You are right, shut it all down and ruin peoples lives and livelihoods again.
Was 500k in one place at one time? I haven't really bothered to look it up but who cares anymore at this point. There was 150k at the Indy 500 last week just being one example of what's happening every weekend for ages.
People have been making their own decisions, mixing without an issue for sometime. Most people have had the vaccine, basically everyone has had covid, worry about medical things that have a much greater chance of killing you.
People have a weird mindset, not being happy about seeing large groups and folks enjoying themselves again after the nonsense we have been through. Going to take a while to mentally shift the weird 10% that seems to keep cheering on the misery from behind their keyboards.
Finally - interesting you note it as "covid times". Covid isn't going anywhere. People getting it (multiple times) isn't getting rid of it, the vaccines aren't getting rid of it, locking down again isn't getting rid of it. So to be in non covid times isn't going to be a reality. It will just be a something that is around like other respiratory viruses. Luckily (and this isn't making light of the horror of 2020 and early 2021) but with vaccines and natural immunity, everyone has antibodies and if it was that bad for the general population now we would all probably be dead ianyway. [Post edited 6 Jun 2022 2:30]
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You don’t need to shut everything down.
Why is it Americans seem to believe they either have all the guns or you’re taking them all away.
There can be a middle ground. Things should carry on as they are but with sensible precautions. I don’t see half a million people packed together as sensible, especially when they will have come from all over the country and spread anything they catch back in their home towns.
Covid rates are low. People should be able to carry on close to normal in many walks of life. But it’s irresponsible to pretend it’s not around and to not take some, minor precautions. Our reaction to it should be on a sliding scale now.
Lots of Covid. Lots of precautions. Little Covid. Few restrictions. Not none. | | | |
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