| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:33 - Aug 2 with 903 views | J2BLUE |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:30 - Aug 2 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Like I say, I don't know the answers, that was just one off the top of my head. I don't know what MI5 or the FBI are capable of (although they have just taken out the head of the Taliban).
But clearly Corbyn isn't suggesting Ukraine just give up. |
If he's not suggesting they give up and he is suggesting we stop sending them weapons, is he suggesting we leave their remaining forces to be quickly disposed off?
I'm genuinely asking, because as has been pointed out, the Russians are not going to turn around and go home.
Putin needs some sort of victory for to present to the Russians. They've lost up to 40,000 troops and a lot of equipment. What exactly is Corbyn suggesting? I can't square his words with what you are saying. |  |
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| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:34 - Aug 2 with 897 views | giant_stow |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:16 - Aug 2 by The_Flashing_Smile |
As I've already said - your OP states he says "the west should abandon Ukraine and let Russia win their war." He's said neither of these things. So in what way are they not lies?
You're not "just being blunt" you are totally fabricating what he said. |
You're a man of words Dolly - did you see quotation marks? I was paraphrasing with my own take on what he in affect said. |  |
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| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:35 - Aug 2 with 884 views | gordon |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:32 - Aug 2 by unbelievablue |
Sometimes I wonder if I'm really, really thick, and can't see what's obvious right in front of my eyes.
To get to de facto support of genocide in Ukraine from Corbyn's comments is...something. |
I don't really follow - Russia has clearly stated that it's intention is to carry out complete genocide against Ukraine - the only thing preventing this is Ukraine's ability to defend itself, which is now entirely dependent on weapons being supplied by the west. |  | | |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:36 - Aug 2 with 865 views | J2BLUE |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:35 - Aug 2 by gordon |
I don't really follow - Russia has clearly stated that it's intention is to carry out complete genocide against Ukraine - the only thing preventing this is Ukraine's ability to defend itself, which is now entirely dependent on weapons being supplied by the west. |
Exactly. | |
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| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:36 - Aug 2 with 849 views | unbelievablue |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:35 - Aug 2 by gordon |
I don't really follow - Russia has clearly stated that it's intention is to carry out complete genocide against Ukraine - the only thing preventing this is Ukraine's ability to defend itself, which is now entirely dependent on weapons being supplied by the west. |
Yeah, all true.
BUT JC didn't say "stop giving them weapons and let Russia do what they want" in spite of what the OP is suggesting. |  |
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| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:37 - Aug 2 with 836 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:27 - Aug 2 by DanTheMan |
That supposes that whoever takes over would not be equally onboard, as well as that directly supporting an assassination of a world leader would not cause an either bigger issue.
I get your point, as well as JCs, but I can't see a situation where Russia peace would not involve Ukraine losing part of its country. |
Like I say, that was just one other potential solution off the top of my head, and I doubt that's what Corbyn's thinking anyway. Are there more sanctions that could be employed? Is there another way to starve Russia of resources so that the war becomes less and less viable?
I don't know. As I say, I think he's deluded here, but he's clearly NOT saying we should abandon Ukraine and let Russia win. |  |
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| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:38 - Aug 2 with 832 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:08 - Aug 2 by GlasgowBlue |
It's relevant because it is from the same interview. A pacifist would call for all sides to lay down their arms surely.
Have we ever heard him call for Hamas and Hezbollah to do the same? He goes on these pro Assad and Iranian state TV shows and never once condemns their side.
He sickens me. |
In fairness he did previously condemn the “violence on both sides” in Venezuela, when the Government was brutally beating down protesting citizens. |  | | |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:38 - Aug 2 with 830 views | giant_stow |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:36 - Aug 2 by unbelievablue |
Yeah, all true.
BUT JC didn't say "stop giving them weapons and let Russia do what they want" in spite of what the OP is suggesting. |
There isn't a middle ground. If we stop supporting Ukraine with weapons, we let Russia do what it likes to Ukraine. | |
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| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:39 - Aug 2 with 820 views | Mullet |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:32 - Aug 2 by unbelievablue |
Sometimes I wonder if I'm really, really thick, and can't see what's obvious right in front of my eyes.
To get to de facto support of genocide in Ukraine from Corbyn's comments is...something. |
No, although it's the logical (if dramatic) inference of following Corbyn's idealism without other factors here, it's probably not fair to match his soft-headedness as criticism.
Clearly this is clickbait for the Guardian and trying to keep the cultists onside I suspect. Asking JC is probably about as relevant as asking Arry Redknapp or Sharon Davies for their input. |  |
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| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:39 - Aug 2 with 818 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:30 - Aug 2 by gordon |
Russia, Putin and various state mouthpieces have stated clearly, on multiple occasions, that their intention is to destroy Ukraine, erase Ukrainian identity, that they don't accept that Ukraine has the right to exist.
Jeremy Corbyn will know that - and he will be well aware that there is no possible diplomatic solution, given that - so if he says that we shouldn't provide arms to Ukraine, he's defacto supporting genocide in Ukraine. |
What utter nonsense, and shame on your up-arrowers too. As if a pacifist would advocate genocide.
I'm done with this thread, it's just silly. | |
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| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:40 - Aug 2 with 813 views | gordon |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:36 - Aug 2 by unbelievablue |
Yeah, all true.
BUT JC didn't say "stop giving them weapons and let Russia do what they want" in spite of what the OP is suggesting. |
The only thing stopping Russia doing what it wants is weapons from the West. | | | |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:41 - Aug 2 with 811 views | J2BLUE |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:36 - Aug 2 by unbelievablue |
Yeah, all true.
BUT JC didn't say "stop giving them weapons and let Russia do what they want" in spite of what the OP is suggesting. |
“Pouring arms in isn’t going to bring about a solution, it’s only going to prolong and exaggerate this war,” Corbyn said. We might be in for years and years of a war in Ukraine.”
Corbyn gave the interview on Al Mayadeen, a Beirut-based TV channel that has carried pro-Russia reporting since Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine.
“What I find disappointing is that hardly any of the world’s leaders use the word peace; they always use the language of more war, and more bellicose war.”
No one is talking about Bournemouth winning the Premier League either because it simply isn't going to happen. Pretending an acceptable peace is an option is just stupid.
Either Ukraine completely rolls over and falls under Russia 'sphere of influence' or they fight. There is zero middle ground. | |
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| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:41 - Aug 2 with 812 views | unbelievablue |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:38 - Aug 2 by giant_stow |
There isn't a middle ground. If we stop supporting Ukraine with weapons, we let Russia do what it likes to Ukraine. |
I've got to run, but my interpretation of what JC said is that he is (probably wrongly) suggesting we spend more time and energy looking at 'peace' via diplomacy than just continuing to send weapons in an attempt to defeat Russia militarily. Poorly worded maybe.
Again, probably the wrong strategy, but it is NOT the same as "stop arming them tomorrow and let Russia do what they want". If that is your interpretation of what he's suggesting, then fair enough - but that would be pretty mad. | |
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| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:42 - Aug 2 with 800 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:36 - Aug 2 by unbelievablue |
Yeah, all true.
BUT JC didn't say "stop giving them weapons and let Russia do what they want" in spite of what the OP is suggesting. |
Given that the Russians already committed genocide against Ukrainians in previously occupied territories, what does Corbyn think peace looks like?
There is no middle ground unfortunately- the Ukrainians are literally fighting for their lives. Perhaps we can send Corbyn over to Moscow for negotiations with Putin? | | | |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:43 - Aug 2 with 790 views | gordon |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:39 - Aug 2 by The_Flashing_Smile |
What utter nonsense, and shame on your up-arrowers too. As if a pacifist would advocate genocide.
I'm done with this thread, it's just silly. |
Which bit is nonsense? | | | |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:43 - Aug 2 with 791 views | J2BLUE |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:39 - Aug 2 by The_Flashing_Smile |
What utter nonsense, and shame on your up-arrowers too. As if a pacifist would advocate genocide.
I'm done with this thread, it's just silly. |
I think you would be looking at this completely differently if someone else had said it.
If we give him the huge benefit of the doubt, his words are still delusional. | |
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| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:43 - Aug 2 with 778 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:34 - Aug 2 by giant_stow |
You're a man of words Dolly - did you see quotation marks? I was paraphrasing with my own take on what he in affect said. |
Lame, pathetic get out. You know exactly what you were doing. "Corbyn says..." doesn't need quotation marks for you to be suggesting that's what he said. You've already held your hands up to being a tinker so I'd stop digging if I were you. | |
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| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:43 - Aug 2 with 780 views | unbelievablue |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:42 - Aug 2 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Given that the Russians already committed genocide against Ukrainians in previously occupied territories, what does Corbyn think peace looks like?
There is no middle ground unfortunately- the Ukrainians are literally fighting for their lives. Perhaps we can send Corbyn over to Moscow for negotiations with Putin? |
Again, his strategy might be crap, but that's not the same as advocating genocide etc. as others have suggested.
EDIT - If I was interviewing him, I'd have responded with "Jeremey, are you advocating that we stop the flow of arms, training and money to the Ukrainian resistance immediately?"
Obviously he wouldn't say yes. That's not what he's suggesting. I don't like the bloke, but I think it's telling that the usual suspects are twisting what was there to suit their ideological perspective. [Post edited 2 Aug 2022 16:45]
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| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:44 - Aug 2 with 762 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:35 - Aug 2 by gordon |
I don't really follow - Russia has clearly stated that it's intention is to carry out complete genocide against Ukraine - the only thing preventing this is Ukraine's ability to defend itself, which is now entirely dependent on weapons being supplied by the west. |
But he's not suggesting stop sending weapons AND DO NOTHING ELSE.
FFS. | |
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| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:45 - Aug 2 with 760 views | noggin |
Lifelong anti war campaigner in speaking out against war shocker. |  |
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| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:46 - Aug 2 with 740 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:38 - Aug 2 by giant_stow |
There isn't a middle ground. If we stop supporting Ukraine with weapons, we let Russia do what it likes to Ukraine. |
Of course there's a middle ground. He's suggesting other peaceful solutions, which would presumably come in BEFORE stopping sending weapons. Not a single person has suggested cut off the weapons supply and that's it. | |
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| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:48 - Aug 2 with 712 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:41 - Aug 2 by unbelievablue |
I've got to run, but my interpretation of what JC said is that he is (probably wrongly) suggesting we spend more time and energy looking at 'peace' via diplomacy than just continuing to send weapons in an attempt to defeat Russia militarily. Poorly worded maybe.
Again, probably the wrong strategy, but it is NOT the same as "stop arming them tomorrow and let Russia do what they want". If that is your interpretation of what he's suggesting, then fair enough - but that would be pretty mad. |
Quite. | |
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| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:48 - Aug 2 with 714 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:45 - Aug 2 by noggin |
Lifelong anti war campaigner in speaking out against war shocker. |
Surely everyone is against war? What is the point of his opinion? | | | |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:49 - Aug 2 with 698 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:43 - Aug 2 by gordon |
Which bit is nonsense? |
Err, the bit where you said Corbyn advocates genocide. Obviously. | |
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| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:50 - Aug 2 with 691 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:43 - Aug 2 by J2BLUE |
I think you would be looking at this completely differently if someone else had said it.
If we give him the huge benefit of the doubt, his words are still delusional. |
And I've said I think he's deluded. | |
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