| Don't Pay UK 11:57 - Aug 8 with 4605 views | Zx1988 |
From the media today, it sounds as if the proposed Don't Pay UK 'strike' has got the energy companies somewhat frit.
This article in the Metro, for example: https://metro.co.uk/2022/08/07/ofgem-begs-customers-not-to-boycott-paying-their-
And then a discussion between Jeremy Vine and Ken Bruce on R2 this morning, with them not-so-subtly passing on threats that those who refuse to pay will be put onto pre-payment meters, credit ratings will be hit, and that the energy companies are big enough to take on everyone who refuses to pay (about 11:27am on this morning's show, if you want to listen).
It doesn't take much to realise that the energy companies are getting the media to shill for them already, which seems to suggest that even the threat of direct action is having an effect. [Post edited 8 Aug 2022 11:58]
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| Don't Pay UK on 16:11 - Aug 8 with 1202 views | Steve_M |
| Don't Pay UK on 15:33 - Aug 8 by itfcjoe |
That's not true there Steve, for the first time these new regs are very onerous on extensions too - new build is always the easiest market to target and generally new homes are green but there is serious changes to extensions which will catch a lot of people out and make them almost non viable |
Ok, thanks Joe. Noted. |  |
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| Don't Pay UK on 16:13 - Aug 8 with 1198 views | Steve_M |
| Don't Pay UK on 15:43 - Aug 8 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
It’s a situation that’s going to get worse before it gets better. The wholesale price of gas has quadrupled and seems unlikely to be significantly lower any time soon:-
1-Europe looking to stockpile supplies to replace Russian gas. And security against Putin turning off supplies in the winter.
2-China buying increasing amounts of gas to reduce reliance on dirtier coal.
3-EU moves to classify gas as ‘clean energy’ will increase demand in Europe.
4-SNP increasingly blocking any new North Sea E&P means we’ll increasingly have to look to imported LNG.
Happy days. |
5. Norway talking of rationing electricity exports due to low hydro production.
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| Don't Pay UK on 01:42 - Aug 9 with 1060 views | Ryorry |
| Don't Pay UK on 15:49 - Aug 8 by mylittletown |
Free market is the key phrase. And I agree that the version implemented by Thatcher and Reagan has proved itself to be a disaster many times over.
Reagan used to bleat on about trickle-down, but actually the gap between the rich and the poor has increased dramatically. He was an economic illiterate who didn't have the understanding to differentiate between sound economics and bullsh*t.
Mrs Thatcher should have been clever enough to know better, but I think that she genuinely believed that her completely misguided and destructive policies were for the good.
The policies of the early-mid 1980s, and subsequent governments' unwillingness to challenge them are the prime reasons for our becoming the least productive economy in Western Europe. |
It's tragic, we (UK) could have been self-sufficient in energy by now if anything approaching the same level of subsidies had been put into renewables from the 1990s on as have been put into global fossil fuel corps. There were working models of tidal, and more importantly wave power generation extant in Scotland in 1994, possibly earlier. We're surrounded by waves for crying out loud.
The reason why the subsidies, R&D for renewables has never been forthcoming is easily explained - there was scarcely a member of Cameron's cabinet who didn't directly or indirectly (through family members) have vested interests in the oil, gas or fracking industries, or the banking or financial industries that supported them. The links in the chart below are pretty shocking if you're seeing them for the first time (apols if you're not, I've posted it, or a similar one, a couple of times before in previous years). I don't have a similar chart for later years, but would be surprised if it doesn't show something similar, esp for the years of Tory govt. of course -
Edit - this link takes you to a better visual which you can see in more detail without printing out -
http://www.fraw.org.uk/meir/work/studies/frackogram_2015-A2.pdf
And this is the original article which explains it & offers other sizes in PDF -
https://www.lowimpact.org/posts/incredible-frackogram-2015-shows-the-many-links-
[Post edited 9 Aug 2022 1:53]
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| Don't Pay UK on 06:23 - Aug 9 with 993 views | textbackup |
| Don't Pay UK on 15:33 - Aug 8 by itfcjoe |
That's not true there Steve, for the first time these new regs are very onerous on extensions too - new build is always the easiest market to target and generally new homes are green but there is serious changes to extensions which will catch a lot of people out and make them almost non viable |
our extension requires so little heating for the room to feel too hot, even on coldest of days! |  |
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| Don't Pay UK on 08:29 - Aug 9 with 915 views | itfcjoe |
| Don't Pay UK on 06:23 - Aug 9 by textbackup |
our extension requires so little heating for the room to feel too hot, even on coldest of days! |
Ant that would be on the old regs, be approx 50% more in there now - bigger floor slab and wider cavities. Don't know if you've got a load of glass but if wanting more than 25% now basically impossible without upgrading the whole house......can't extend existing heating system into it unless boiler is stupidly efficient.
There's going to be people thinking they can get an extension now, getting it drawn up etc and going out to tender and then when they go in for building regs are going to just make it not viable |  |
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| Don't Pay UK on 08:53 - Aug 9 with 882 views | Dubtractor |
| Don't Pay UK on 08:29 - Aug 9 by itfcjoe |
Ant that would be on the old regs, be approx 50% more in there now - bigger floor slab and wider cavities. Don't know if you've got a load of glass but if wanting more than 25% now basically impossible without upgrading the whole house......can't extend existing heating system into it unless boiler is stupidly efficient.
There's going to be people thinking they can get an extension now, getting it drawn up etc and going out to tender and then when they go in for building regs are going to just make it not viable |
Obviously prices can vary wildly, but what sort of price would you expect for a 2m by 4m extension, single storey?
Appreciate there are a tonne of variables so just assume worst case.
Reason I ask is that we're planning an extension on the house we're buying - I'm well aware that construction prices have seen eye watering increases in the last 2 years (I see this in my job), but not sure what that relates to on small scale domestic projects. |  |
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| Don't Pay UK on 09:04 - Aug 9 with 870 views | Leaky |
| Don't Pay UK on 12:16 - Aug 8 by GeoffSentence |
"It's pretty shameful that for all the time we've known this is coming there has been no mass national campaign to insulate homes properly,"
Something that Insulate Britain sought to bring to people's attention, but mostly we got upset about them sitting in the road. |
How do you insulate a Victorian/Edwardian house(of which there are 100's of thousands) with 9 inch solid walls ? yes you can insulate the loft fit double glazing, which I assume most have already been done. |  | | |
| Don't Pay UK on 09:08 - Aug 9 with 867 views | itfcjoe |
| Don't Pay UK on 08:53 - Aug 9 by Dubtractor |
Obviously prices can vary wildly, but what sort of price would you expect for a 2m by 4m extension, single storey?
Appreciate there are a tonne of variables so just assume worst case.
Reason I ask is that we're planning an extension on the house we're buying - I'm well aware that construction prices have seen eye watering increases in the last 2 years (I see this in my job), but not sure what that relates to on small scale domestic projects. |
For a smaller one like that it's going to be at least £2k + VAT per m2, and being narrow may push that up a bit more so looking something like £18k + VAT to finish it (price subject to survey....!) | |
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| Don't Pay UK on 09:10 - Aug 9 with 862 views | itfcjoe |
| Don't Pay UK on 09:04 - Aug 9 by Leaky |
How do you insulate a Victorian/Edwardian house(of which there are 100's of thousands) with 9 inch solid walls ? yes you can insulate the loft fit double glazing, which I assume most have already been done. |
Triple glazing, external insulation with rendered finish, thermal board to inner walls.
There are a few options, but most sub optimal | |
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| Don't Pay UK on 09:18 - Aug 9 with 833 views | Dubtractor |
| Don't Pay UK on 09:08 - Aug 9 by itfcjoe |
For a smaller one like that it's going to be at least £2k + VAT per m2, and being narrow may push that up a bit more so looking something like £18k + VAT to finish it (price subject to survey....!) |
Thanks.
We do have an alternative (cheaper!) plan if it gets too pricey. | |
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| Don't Pay UK on 10:52 - Aug 9 with 742 views | Steve_M |
| Don't Pay UK on 12:37 - Aug 8 by Dubtractor |
Yep, when I worked at Eon back in the 00s I was part of a team dedicated to managing the I installation of wall and loft insulation in homes across the country. Every large energy company will have had similar teams. The scheme benefitted from huge government subsidies, which I assume from your comment were removed by Cameron, who ironically got elected on a 'greenest government ever' pledge. |
On that point, the impact was stark:
Another piece of absolute genius from Cameron and Osborne. | |
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| Don't Pay UK on 11:00 - Aug 9 with 707 views | mylittletown |
| Don't Pay UK on 10:52 - Aug 9 by Steve_M |
On that point, the impact was stark:
Another piece of absolute genius from Cameron and Osborne. |
They really were stupid, arrogant and arbitrary.
They were also surrounded by idiots. Everyone forgets now that, within a couple of days of the 2010 election, the truly dreadful Education Minister, Michael Gove, and his equally dreadful advisor, Dominic Cummings, scrapped the Building Schools for the Future program.
A decision which will haunt us for the next generation, made without any thought or understanding for the consequences. |  | | |
| Don't Pay UK on 11:05 - Aug 9 with 692 views | DanTheMan |
| Don't Pay UK on 09:04 - Aug 9 by Leaky |
How do you insulate a Victorian/Edwardian house(of which there are 100's of thousands) with 9 inch solid walls ? yes you can insulate the loft fit double glazing, which I assume most have already been done. |
I believe there are ways on insulating the inside of the home. Not cheap but it is doable. |  |
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| Don't Pay UK on 11:11 - Aug 9 with 667 views | lowhouseblue |
my prediction is that, while we'll end up with a huge package to meet energy costs (but the tories will do it badly and in dribs and drabs and with no good grace), we won't see debts being written off at the end of this. that would be hugely inequitable given that most people will suffer hardship to avoid debt while others will not pay as a political gesture. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Don't Pay UK on 11:16 - Aug 9 with 634 views | DecageBruce |
And all this while Russian oil continues to be transported and exchanged off the Suffolk coast in clear sight. Unsure what can be done about it as unclear on who owns the water etc but really does rub our noses in it |  | | |
| Don't Pay UK on 11:23 - Aug 9 with 608 views | Ryorry |
| Don't Pay UK on 11:16 - Aug 9 by DecageBruce |
And all this while Russian oil continues to be transported and exchanged off the Suffolk coast in clear sight. Unsure what can be done about it as unclear on who owns the water etc but really does rub our noses in it |
Surprised "freeports" haven't yet been discussed here - shocking stuff, reminds me of the old Genesis song 'Selling England by the Pound' -
In the follow-up tweet -
"The successful bid locations, as announced Feb 2022, were:
🌆 East Midlands Airport
**🌆 Felixstowe and Harwich (aka Freeport East)**
🌆 Humber
🌆 Liverpool City Region
🌆 Plymouth
🌆 Solent
🌆 Thames
🌆 Teesside
Maps of the areas:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attac
**See also**:-
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_economic_zone
"As the United Kingdom was proposing the creation of ten free ports after leaving the European Union in early 2020, the EU was clamping down on 82 free zones after finding that their special status had aided the financing of ..corruption, tax evasion, ... terrorism, money laundering and organised crime.[3]"
What a surprise ... [Post edited 9 Aug 2022 11:33]
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