| 4 day working week on 15:34 - Aug 15 with 943 views | jeera |
| 4 day working week on 15:09 - Aug 15 by J2BLUE |
That would be great. Big businesses aren't going to allow this though. For small companies where this works it would be great. The likes of Tesco are not going to go along with this because god forbid the profits are a bit lower and the shareholders don't get to cream money off the top. |
Nationalise Tesco! |  |
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| 4 day working week on 19:31 - Aug 15 with 879 views | factual_blue |
I wouldn't have wanted my working week to be extended, thank you very much. |  |
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| 4 day working week on 19:56 - Aug 15 with 869 views | ibbleobble |
We’ve adopted 4-day weeks in August with a view to it being permanent. In truth, no one worked much as soon as it hit Friday anyway so it’s not made a difference to projects, delivery or margins so it might be here to stay. |  | | |
| 4 day working week on 20:12 - Aug 15 with 858 views | longtimefan |
| 4 day working week on 15:09 - Aug 15 by J2BLUE |
That would be great. Big businesses aren't going to allow this though. For small companies where this works it would be great. The likes of Tesco are not going to go along with this because god forbid the profits are a bit lower and the shareholders don't get to cream money off the top. |
Indeed. Just noticed tonight that Tesco at Martlesham have removed a further set of staffed checkouts and replaced them with self service stations. | | | |
| 4 day working week on 21:16 - Aug 15 with 843 views | ParisBlue |
My company started a 4dw in May on a 6 month trial (not the official trial), hours reduced at no loss of salary. Being in a customer facing role with tight deadlines there are impacts but I'm not going to tell anyone. All the signs are it will become permanent after the trial.
It does take some getting used to. Most people chose Friday, i chose Monday to 'extend' my weekend. |  |
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| 4 day working week on 21:23 - Aug 15 with 837 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| 4 day working week on 21:16 - Aug 15 by ParisBlue |
My company started a 4dw in May on a 6 month trial (not the official trial), hours reduced at no loss of salary. Being in a customer facing role with tight deadlines there are impacts but I'm not going to tell anyone. All the signs are it will become permanent after the trial.
It does take some getting used to. Most people chose Friday, i chose Monday to 'extend' my weekend. |
Haven’t the French always worked 4 days? 😉 | | | |
| 4 day working week on 21:38 - Aug 15 with 824 views | ParisBlue |
| 4 day working week on 21:23 - Aug 15 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Haven’t the French always worked 4 days? 😉 |
Well....I was working in France when they implemented the 35 hour week. What a shambles that was....
Now I'm on a 32 hour week.... | |
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| 4 day working week on 21:44 - Aug 15 with 798 views | Mullet |
| 4 day working week on 15:06 - Aug 15 by RonFearonsHair |
Sorry, it wasn't a loaded question. I was just interested in what your preferred solution would be.
If there were longer days and an agreed day off then presumably all parents would be able to request that as their extra day off.
Spreading staff across the 5 days is better in theory though virtually impossible on a practical level.
I am very onside with the idea of a 4-day working week. But I want to see absolutely everything covered so there's as little chance of it going wrong as possible. |
TBH the idea of a 4 day week in teaching is laughable. It'd just give us the flexibility to make that 5th day a full day to catch up on admin and planning. Especially if you extend the school day etc
What it would do is give us an opportunity to cut all the crap out of the industry and organise the workload of all staff not just teachers.
I'd also suggest we could finally reorganise holidays to be shorter and more frequent and improve outcomes for students. But we'll be lucky to get anything until this government is gone. |  |
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| 4 day working week on 21:49 - Aug 15 with 792 views | Swansea_Blue |
We have some people on 4 day weeks, but on condensed hours so they still work the same hours as those in for 5 days. It’s a pain for those in on a Monday or Friday who have to pick up their work (it’s always a Mon or Friday; everyone seems to want 3 day weekends). Great idea in principle but needs everyone in the chain to be working to the same pattern.
I’ve a better idea - 3 or 4 years on and 1 year off, so you get paid 75% or 80% wages throughout the whole time, even in your year off. I met a radiologist from Canada who was on that pattern and it sounds fantastic. You’d need to be in a reasonably paid job though, so probably not an option for most in the UK. |  |
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| 4 day working week on 22:02 - Aug 15 with 763 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| 4 day working week on 21:49 - Aug 15 by Swansea_Blue |
We have some people on 4 day weeks, but on condensed hours so they still work the same hours as those in for 5 days. It’s a pain for those in on a Monday or Friday who have to pick up their work (it’s always a Mon or Friday; everyone seems to want 3 day weekends). Great idea in principle but needs everyone in the chain to be working to the same pattern.
I’ve a better idea - 3 or 4 years on and 1 year off, so you get paid 75% or 80% wages throughout the whole time, even in your year off. I met a radiologist from Canada who was on that pattern and it sounds fantastic. You’d need to be in a reasonably paid job though, so probably not an option for most in the UK. |
To be fair, any working pattern at all like that in the UK would see many people simply looking for a second job to boost their income. Generally, we are a nation obsessed with working and earning more. |  |
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| 4 day working week on 22:08 - Aug 15 with 740 views | ParisBlue |
| 4 day working week on 22:02 - Aug 15 by Nthsuffolkblue |
To be fair, any working pattern at all like that in the UK would see many people simply looking for a second job to boost their income. Generally, we are a nation obsessed with working and earning more. |
Our problem was that with people now used to working remotely, they were being targeted by London companies, offering London salaries, without having to live in London.
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| 4 day working week on 22:12 - Aug 15 with 734 views | Swansea_Blue |
| 4 day working week on 22:02 - Aug 15 by Nthsuffolkblue |
To be fair, any working pattern at all like that in the UK would see many people simply looking for a second job to boost their income. Generally, we are a nation obsessed with working and earning more. |
That’s true. With reference to the comments about France above, we’re in France now and pretty much everything was shut today (small town). It’s a shame we can’t slow down at times and value the better things in life sometimes. We’re the poorer socially for chasing company profits all the time. | |
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| 4 day working week on 22:20 - Aug 15 with 718 views | ParisBlue |
| 4 day working week on 22:12 - Aug 15 by Swansea_Blue |
That’s true. With reference to the comments about France above, we’re in France now and pretty much everything was shut today (small town). It’s a shame we can’t slow down at times and value the better things in life sometimes. We’re the poorer socially for chasing company profits all the time. |
The ability of the French to protect private enterprise is what makes it France. Rather than shop at the large supermarket, it would be the boulangerie, the butcher, the cheese shop, the wine shop. Much more fun and social. | |
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| 4 day working week on 22:23 - Aug 15 with 717 views | Trequartista |
I don't really understand this. People are going to work less hours for the same pay but productivity mustn't drop. So if that happens, they weren't really working hard enough when they were doing 5 days surely? |  |
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| 4 day working week on 09:04 - Aug 16 with 626 views | RobTheMonk |
| 4 day working week on 21:44 - Aug 15 by Mullet |
TBH the idea of a 4 day week in teaching is laughable. It'd just give us the flexibility to make that 5th day a full day to catch up on admin and planning. Especially if you extend the school day etc
What it would do is give us an opportunity to cut all the crap out of the industry and organise the workload of all staff not just teachers.
I'd also suggest we could finally reorganise holidays to be shorter and more frequent and improve outcomes for students. But we'll be lucky to get anything until this government is gone. |
There's a lot of goodwill that teachers (and support staff) give and schools can massively take the p1ss with certain things.
And yes, there's no way a 4 day working week would work for a teacher. It would end up being a 4 day teaching week with a day for planning and admin.
Working in a school is one of those eye-opening things that it hard to relate to unless you've been there and done it.
Mullet, are you primary or secondary? |  | | |
| 4 day working week on 09:13 - Aug 16 with 605 views | Mullet |
| 4 day working week on 09:04 - Aug 16 by RobTheMonk |
There's a lot of goodwill that teachers (and support staff) give and schools can massively take the p1ss with certain things.
And yes, there's no way a 4 day working week would work for a teacher. It would end up being a 4 day teaching week with a day for planning and admin.
Working in a school is one of those eye-opening things that it hard to relate to unless you've been there and done it.
Mullet, are you primary or secondary? |
I'm secondary. We've had years of "but what about the kids?" and "you don't have to but..." and I think COVID and the current mess is starting to make more people question this. The retention crisis across the whole country is going to bite before these low birth years kick in I suspect. | |
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| 4 day working week on 09:23 - Aug 16 with 588 views | Darth_Koont |
I think that could lift our chronically low productivity. Certainly giving the system a shock and probably a reset in terms of the low productivity per hour.
It’ll be vastly different from industry to industry of course. But the knowledge/creative industries I work with would no doubt be better if most people and especially management/project leaders were forced to streamline the “process”, focus on doing the right things like the basics, and look at the overall value delivered to customers rather than the amount of hours they can bill. |  |
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| 4 day working week on 09:34 - Aug 16 with 546 views | RobTheMonk |
| 4 day working week on 09:13 - Aug 16 by Mullet |
I'm secondary. We've had years of "but what about the kids?" and "you don't have to but..." and I think COVID and the current mess is starting to make more people question this. The retention crisis across the whole country is going to bite before these low birth years kick in I suspect. |
Haha, yes the old guilt trips. "We need some people to do more duties... *cough* unpaid* *cough. Any volunteers?".
In the past 5 years, Madge's school has lost some good teachers with others struggling through because of the constant pressures.
As sad as it is, it's incredibly hard to teach classes of what are now 30+ kids whilst keeping track of who has special educational needs of which now might be over half of the class, tracking progress, managing behaviour (which if you have a tough class isn't fun), etc etc.
I'm not surprising people are getting burnt out. I think people are now being offered 30k to train now?! We had a guy who took a grant to train to be a physics teacher and then just... never became a teacher.
I did a terms worth of football sessions with year 8 and 9 (again, goodwill as I was filling a gap). The behaviour and apathy genuinely shocked me and was part of the reason why I got out of working in a school. This was a in a good, rural'ish school too. | | | |
| 4 day working week on 09:40 - Aug 16 with 529 views | Mullet |
| 4 day working week on 09:34 - Aug 16 by RobTheMonk |
Haha, yes the old guilt trips. "We need some people to do more duties... *cough* unpaid* *cough. Any volunteers?".
In the past 5 years, Madge's school has lost some good teachers with others struggling through because of the constant pressures.
As sad as it is, it's incredibly hard to teach classes of what are now 30+ kids whilst keeping track of who has special educational needs of which now might be over half of the class, tracking progress, managing behaviour (which if you have a tough class isn't fun), etc etc.
I'm not surprising people are getting burnt out. I think people are now being offered 30k to train now?! We had a guy who took a grant to train to be a physics teacher and then just... never became a teacher.
I did a terms worth of football sessions with year 8 and 9 (again, goodwill as I was filling a gap). The behaviour and apathy genuinely shocked me and was part of the reason why I got out of working in a school. This was a in a good, rural'ish school too. |
I've thought about walking away for a few years now, I'll probably change schools as soon as I get the chance this year, I think the days of being a one school career are all but over.
As much as people don't/won't want to hear it there is a larger culture from parents that they are not responsible for their kids from the second they leave the house to returning to it. Mixed in with this weird "customer service mindset" as I call it.
You wouldn't believe how many times I've had a parent insist something did/didn't happen even when reminded they weren't in the room etc. Bizarrely it seems worse right after lockdown, this past academic year has been the worst we've known. | |
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