| Even I'm getting tired of doing this. 12:50 - Oct 27 with 3583 views | NthQldITFC |
Climate crisis: UN finds ‘no credible pathway to 1.5C in place’
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/oct/27/climate-crisis-un-pathway-1-
“We had our chance to make incremental changes, but that time is over. Only a root-and-branch transformation of our economies and societies can save us from accelerating climate disaster.
“It is a tall, and some would say impossible, order to reform the global economy and almost halve greenhouse gas emissions by 2030, but we must try,” she said. “Every fraction of a degree matters: to vulnerable communities, to ecosystems, and to every one of us.”
This is the UN, our best and brightest and traditionally our most cautious in publicising the scale of the problem, and even they are telling us that we have missed the boat on the stuff we were all bulsh!tting each other about 10 years ago, and now it will be so much harder to survive.
The only chance for our natural environment and most of our children to survive is to dump competitive capitalism now (it's the best and last opportunity we'll get) and prosper by having our target as good health for us and the rest of the Earth system.
We need to dump the growth mantra immediately, redistribute existing wealth now, and try to reduce our population in as acceptable a way as possible.
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| Even I'm getting tired of doing this. on 10:10 - Oct 28 with 1366 views | NthQldITFC |
| Even I'm getting tired of doing this. on 09:19 - Oct 28 by Darth_Koont |
Indeed.
The climate deniers and associated noise have been a problem. But the burying heads in the sand and resulting inertia of the majority and of our mainstream politicians and pundits has been the bigger problem over the last couple of decades.
Many will now say this is the wrong time to be talking about economic and social restructuring with other crises happening at home and around the world. But these are symptoms of a system that is weak and has been letting down people as much as the planet.
Governments need to find a reset anyway. Although I suspect that the UK will be among those lagging behind and expecting “business as usual” to magically provide the answer. |
They're also symptoms of the stresses brought about by climate change. We're into that phase now, and the last thing we need is tweaks to business as usual.
It's fundamental change now, or die, in my opinion. | |
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| Even I'm getting tired of doing this. on 10:23 - Oct 28 with 1348 views | WeWereZombies |
| Even I'm getting tired of doing this. on 14:44 - Oct 27 by NthQldITFC |
From what I've heard carbon capture by technology (as opposed to trees, algae etc.) is not feasible, or at least not in any meaningful time frame. It looks to me to be a way to make a business out of it. I could be wrong. |
On BBC Radio Four's 'Book of the Week' yesterday it was pointed out that currently the biggest carbon capture project is based in Iceland, it manages to account for three seconds of our annual requirements.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001df4d |  |
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| Even I'm getting tired of doing this. on 10:41 - Oct 28 with 1331 views | WeWereZombies |
| Even I'm getting tired of doing this. on 14:14 - Oct 27 by The_Flashing_Smile |
This. The planet is doomed and not enough people (or the top people causing the issues, big business, China etc.) are interested in doing anything/enough... and won't be until it's too late (if they ever will).
All I can do as I near 50 is think that I'm lucky I wasn't born later. I haven't particularly chosen not to have kids, but it's kind of a blessing in disguise.
I'll keep washing out the yogurt pots but honestly, what's the point? |
Whilst it is true that the Earth has a limited future it should be realised that the demise of this planet is still, meteorite strikes withstanding, about seven and a half billion years away. There is nothing we can do about that. However the task in hand is the preservation of some form of habitable zone on the surface (and a kilometre or so above and below the surface) with concerted action for, perhaps, the next three hundred years to stabilise the situation. | |
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| Even I'm getting tired of doing this. on 10:49 - Oct 28 with 1316 views | WeWereZombies |
| Even I'm getting tired of doing this. on 13:07 - Oct 27 by nodge_blue |
Three problems with your final paragraph....
1. there is no national wealth only debt.
2. there is no chance of Russia or China being interested.
3. Short of genocide Im really not sure how you get a population decrease in the next 10 years so that our carbon emissions are greatly reduced by 2030.
I do agree however that all our focus - nationally, business wise and individually should be on sustainability. Look to live a frugal life that reduce what we consume, heat, eat. And to make sure that the rich are taxed in a way that supports the bottom end of society. Whether that will be enough to avert global warming I don't know.
Sadly some of the biggest countries and powers in the world are in such a rogue state and attitude that I can't see how as a world we pull together. |
Re 2. - I think Russia and China are very interested, the effects of global warming present them with short term opportunities to gain competitive advantages over the reliance that North America, Europe, Japan and Australia place upon liberal democratic based capitalism. If rats and cockroaches possess some form of hive mind they might also be interested in the potential ascendance of Russia and China as an opportunity for their species to increase their exploitation of this planet's surface at the expense of a depleted human race. | |
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| Even I'm getting tired of doing this. on 14:25 - Oct 28 with 1264 views | clive_baker |
| Even I'm getting tired of doing this. on 10:49 - Oct 28 by WeWereZombies |
Re 2. - I think Russia and China are very interested, the effects of global warming present them with short term opportunities to gain competitive advantages over the reliance that North America, Europe, Japan and Australia place upon liberal democratic based capitalism. If rats and cockroaches possess some form of hive mind they might also be interested in the potential ascendance of Russia and China as an opportunity for their species to increase their exploitation of this planet's surface at the expense of a depleted human race. |
I often see Russia and China derided when it comes to climate change and preventative initiatives and obviously China is a significant contributor to greenhouse emissions, the largest in the world, but on a per capita basis there are some much bigger culprits if the data is to be believed. |  |
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| Even I'm getting tired of doing this. on 14:40 - Oct 28 with 1256 views | Darth_Koont |
| Even I'm getting tired of doing this. on 14:25 - Oct 28 by clive_baker |
I often see Russia and China derided when it comes to climate change and preventative initiatives and obviously China is a significant contributor to greenhouse emissions, the largest in the world, but on a per capita basis there are some much bigger culprits if the data is to be believed. |
Indeed.
Many of us but certainly not all have also been made very comfortable by outsourcing our production to cheaper countries like China. All so we can increase our own personal consumption while paying less.
Russia is just at the other end of the process in that they’ve been exploiting fossil energy resources and our overreliance on them.
So we’re still very much at the heart of the problem. If we can’t get a grip on our own choices as “fully developed” societies and economies then what chance do countries have where this is about actual livelihoods and survival? |  |
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| Even I'm getting tired of doing this. on 14:55 - Oct 28 with 1248 views | eireblue |
Well Julie Hartley-Brewer just said it just the weather and everything is fine, and don’t talk show hosts with a bit of education in politics and journalism know these things?
We are all doomed when people get a platform to say cr@p like that.
Go Vegan. |  | | |
| Even I'm getting tired of doing this. on 15:03 - Oct 28 with 1232 views | clive_baker |
| Even I'm getting tired of doing this. on 14:40 - Oct 28 by Darth_Koont |
Indeed.
Many of us but certainly not all have also been made very comfortable by outsourcing our production to cheaper countries like China. All so we can increase our own personal consumption while paying less.
Russia is just at the other end of the process in that they’ve been exploiting fossil energy resources and our overreliance on them.
So we’re still very much at the heart of the problem. If we can’t get a grip on our own choices as “fully developed” societies and economies then what chance do countries have where this is about actual livelihoods and survival? |
Quite. Certain economies are more reliant on carbon intensive industries, but it's not all for domestic use. The very laptop I'm typing this on was probably manufactured in China for my consumption here in the UK, and we sit here saying 'naughty China' when it comes to climate change.
Frankly I don't really see a pathway to a collaborative global effort that will do enough, fast enough. | |
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| Even I'm getting tired of doing this. on 15:22 - Oct 28 with 1218 views | blueasfook |
| Even I'm getting tired of doing this. on 14:55 - Oct 28 by eireblue |
Well Julie Hartley-Brewer just said it just the weather and everything is fine, and don’t talk show hosts with a bit of education in politics and journalism know these things?
We are all doomed when people get a platform to say cr@p like that.
Go Vegan. |
You think going vegan is the answer to climate change? Going vegan would help but...
Animal agriculture is a relatively small contributor to carbon emissions (around 11%).
the big contributors are 1) burning fossil fuels for electricity and heat and 2) transportation
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| Even I'm getting tired of doing this. on 15:29 - Oct 28 with 1208 views | HARRY10 |
| Even I'm getting tired of doing this. on 14:55 - Oct 28 by eireblue |
Well Julie Hartley-Brewer just said it just the weather and everything is fine, and don’t talk show hosts with a bit of education in politics and journalism know these things?
We are all doomed when people get a platform to say cr@p like that.
Go Vegan. |
Muxh is down to the BBC being almost held to ransom by righties in the media elsewhere.
however little will be done to alter this state of affairs while scumbags like H-B are allowed to spew out their lies, unchallenged. Much as in Parliament where the 'ever so 'umble Speaker kowtows to his betters to his right.
Johnson was allowed to rant away telling one lie after another. Only when the obvious effects of brexit on the economy (mini budget) is there a reaction.
If this was a court of law they would be charged with perjury, rather than as it is. Would a debate on pedophila require a pedophile to 'add balance' then be able to say that kids enjoy it ?
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| Even I'm getting tired of doing this. on 15:42 - Oct 28 with 1191 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Even I'm getting tired of doing this. on 15:03 - Oct 28 by clive_baker |
Quite. Certain economies are more reliant on carbon intensive industries, but it's not all for domestic use. The very laptop I'm typing this on was probably manufactured in China for my consumption here in the UK, and we sit here saying 'naughty China' when it comes to climate change.
Frankly I don't really see a pathway to a collaborative global effort that will do enough, fast enough. |
Indeed it’s hard to avoid many purchases which are made in China, I’d happily pay more to have something produced elsewhere. Many people are happy just to buy the cheapest thing they can (some due to lack of disposable income, some due to apathy).
The most ludicrous purchase is an MG EV, not only directly funding the Chinese regime, but the steel pressed and components put together powered by over 1000 coal power plants before being shipped 1,000s KM. Green indeed. | | | |
| Even I'm getting tired of doing this. on 15:49 - Oct 28 with 1181 views | jeera |
| Even I'm getting tired of doing this. on 15:42 - Oct 28 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Indeed it’s hard to avoid many purchases which are made in China, I’d happily pay more to have something produced elsewhere. Many people are happy just to buy the cheapest thing they can (some due to lack of disposable income, some due to apathy).
The most ludicrous purchase is an MG EV, not only directly funding the Chinese regime, but the steel pressed and components put together powered by over 1000 coal power plants before being shipped 1,000s KM. Green indeed. |
It's not always obvious where products come from is it. You have to look otherwise as you say we just pick up/order stuff we want without considering consequences.
It's got to a point where China seems to have a monopoly on so many products they are no longer available from other sources, regardless even of price.
Putting one's eggs in one basket always had potential implications I guess. But along with it we have gone. |  |
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| Even I'm getting tired of doing this. on 15:55 - Oct 28 with 1169 views | jeera |
| Even I'm getting tired of doing this. on 14:55 - Oct 28 by eireblue |
Well Julie Hartley-Brewer just said it just the weather and everything is fine, and don’t talk show hosts with a bit of education in politics and journalism know these things?
We are all doomed when people get a platform to say cr@p like that.
Go Vegan. |
I didn't see it but hope she was pulled up on that?
Worth a mention is situations like this Scottish farmer who says it's no longer viable to grow his main crop of blueberries and has resorted to giving them away, millions of pounds worth, as imports from thousands of miles away are cheaper.
That's a lot of emissions over a period of time spent on a product that can be grown close to home.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-63316050 | |
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| Even I'm getting tired of doing this. on 15:57 - Oct 28 with 1163 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Even I'm getting tired of doing this. on 15:49 - Oct 28 by jeera |
It's not always obvious where products come from is it. You have to look otherwise as you say we just pick up/order stuff we want without considering consequences.
It's got to a point where China seems to have a monopoly on so many products they are no longer available from other sources, regardless even of price.
Putting one's eggs in one basket always had potential implications I guess. But along with it we have gone. |
“Putting one's eggs in one basket always had potential implications I guess. But along with it we have gone.”
Indeed and a not insignificant element of the cost of living crisis has been driven by China’s ‘zero COVID’ policy.
They should be under western sanctions anyway but that’s a different subject! | | | |
| Even I'm getting tired of doing this. on 16:33 - Oct 28 with 1144 views | eireblue |
| Even I'm getting tired of doing this. on 15:22 - Oct 28 by blueasfook |
You think going vegan is the answer to climate change? Going vegan would help but...
Animal agriculture is a relatively small contributor to carbon emissions (around 11%).
the big contributors are 1) burning fossil fuels for electricity and heat and 2) transportation
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Yes. Going vegan will help free up a lot of land, that can then be used for things like trees.
It has a bigger effect than simply reducing emissions.
https://journals.plos.org/climate/article?id=10.1371/journal.pclm.0000010
You could go vegan tomorrow, it’s not difficult, it is one of the things people can easily do. | | | |
| Even I'm getting tired of doing this. on 18:10 - Oct 28 with 1102 views | stickymockwell |
Mother nature will put it right sadly rather than us.
The population will be controlled by vast famines like what we are seeing in East Africa at the moment. There will just not be enough fertile land to feet the extra billions. The weather will make huge areas uninhabitable. Its going to be survival of the fittest/ Wealthiest.
I imagine that within the next 10 to 20 years the world's population will be going the other way. |  |
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| Even I'm getting tired of doing this. on 18:24 - Oct 28 with 1085 views | HARRY10 |
| Even I'm getting tired of doing this. on 18:10 - Oct 28 by stickymockwell |
Mother nature will put it right sadly rather than us.
The population will be controlled by vast famines like what we are seeing in East Africa at the moment. There will just not be enough fertile land to feet the extra billions. The weather will make huge areas uninhabitable. Its going to be survival of the fittest/ Wealthiest.
I imagine that within the next 10 to 20 years the world's population will be going the other way. |
One of the problems will be mass (attempted) migration, something in it's infancy.... Africa to Europe, S America to the US
The internet has shown poor people how others live, while all they have/face is a life of almost squalor.
Simply employing huge numbers in sweatshops to produce disposal goods for the west is not sustainable. Those resources would be better used to improve the conditions in those countries. Better housing, and improved healthcare.
As long as the vast gulf between living standards continues there will be the belief that only through migration will there be any improvement in their lot. | | | |
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