| High Court 1 Sturgeon didnt!! (n/t) 10:04 - Nov 23 with 4909 views | Keno |
I wonder if she will be appealing? [Post edited 23 Nov 2022 10:04]
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| High Court 1 Sturgeon didnt!! (n/t) on 22:02 - Nov 23 with 665 views | Lord_Lucan |
| High Court 1 Sturgeon didnt!! (n/t) on 11:21 - Nov 23 by Pinewoodblue |
It was supposed to be a once in a life time event. Unrealistic would have better to say no further referendum for a specified period of time. Had it been set at 10 years there could have been another go in 2024. |
We said once in a generation, they said once in a lifetime.
As they say in Thailand
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| High Court 1 Sturgeon didnt!! (n/t) on 22:14 - Nov 23 with 638 views | Geomorph |
| High Court 1 Sturgeon didnt!! (n/t) on 10:30 - Nov 23 by PassionNotAnger |
Genuine question, there was a referendum in 2014 which confirmed a majority for remaining part of the UK. Assuming that was a genuine process with no concerns over fair process etc why should there be another referendum now? Should they be every few years? Would the SNP hold them as frequently to rejoin the UK should they get a result they like in a future one?
FWIW I think it should be a decision for the Scottish people to make but I’m not sure that it’s a question that can or should be continually asked indefinitely can it? |
Genuine question… do you think ‘we’d’ vote brexit again??? |  | | |
| High Court 1 Sturgeon didnt!! (n/t) on 22:24 - Nov 23 with 629 views | Lord_Lucan |
| High Court 1 Sturgeon didnt!! (n/t) on 22:14 - Nov 23 by Geomorph |
Genuine question… do you think ‘we’d’ vote brexit again??? |
I didn't think 'W'e'd" vote Brexit in the first instance. To be honest if it was voted again now my hunch would be that it would be 48% - 52% the other way this time - but what do I know, I thought it would be 60 - 40 last time at least. You never know, they might Brexit again, and then what?
To be serious about Scotland, I think the Scots have a fair case for another stab at it as although Brexit wasn't mentioned in their last run off it is fair to say it is a cataclysmic difference now - especially with the Edinburgh Elite.
Personally I wouldn't want to see a break up of the Union but if they vote for it then so be it, although I genuinely cannot see how they would survive and I can see London handouts going on for infinity.
I suppose what I can't get my head around is what sort of customs border would look like and how they would deal with their imports if they were ever to get to join The EU. | |
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| High Court 1 Sturgeon didnt!! (n/t) on 22:43 - Nov 23 with 594 views | HARRY10 |
| High Court 1 Sturgeon didnt!! (n/t) on 19:09 - Nov 23 by DJR |
That's an interesting take. I suppose the politics of Glasgow and the West Coast are influenced in particular by the large number of Irish catholics and protestants who came to the area from the late 19th century onwards. So I imagine there are many Rangers fans who are pro-British and pro-Union, whereas on the catholic side the Union is less likely to be favoured.
But I do get the impression that the SNP has managed to unite both protestants and catholic behind the cause, which can't be a bad thing.
For my own part, and speaking as someone with two Scottish protestant parents, my ideal would be for Scottish independence (along with a united Ireland).
The P G Wodehouse quote is a great one. [Post edited 23 Nov 2022 19:12]
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Whereas the evidence shows the opposite. Had there been a coming together the Independence movement would be far far higher in the polls. I do think, and know to a certain extent, that this is spilt on sectarian lines -mwith barely any heed to evidence.
As I have said, some if not much of what I heard was in the brexit land of la la. I remember trying to explain the problems of having a border with England should Scotland be accepted into the EU. The stock reply was how*. Followed by comments that England would be acting like a dog in the manager yet again.
I do think having a Question Time with pro independence voters asking, and being asked, by non political experts would be of enormous value.....if only to the non-splitting side.
What is being peddle by Sturgeon and others is a quick route back into the EU and all of it's benefits. No years if wrangling as it disentangles itself from the rest of the UK. No concerns that as members of the EU there might be a case for Scots not having freedom of movement with the UK.
And as a member of the EU they would be required it to use the Euro. No opt out allowing the pound. Which is unfortunate as that is what Scotland would be doing. Having the BoE underwriting it, or so they claim.
We have seen what has happened with RoI. Despite the usual lies and bluster from fat boy the border between a EU member and a non EU member is here to stay. It will not be as complicated as that one, but it will still be a hard border.
And the most disturbing is the answer that they will be able to sort it out once theyhave got indeoendence - rather like you'll sort out all that conception stuff after the baby has been born.
It is almost akin to a cult. No answers just belief, however absurd that belief is to an outside. Wee Krankie knows all this I am sure but is perhaps seeking some place in history, or just needs the votes. Either way I have as little respect for and the others who are knowingly misleading voters of which I am part of (not a voter) but through family.
And as an aside the voting was also wrong. I am not claiming a vote in this matter, nor should I have one, but those Scots who were born and bred there but are living outside of Scotland were not allowed a vote. Whereas EU citizens and even the 'dreaded' English who happened to be there were allowed, along with anyone from the commonwealth. In fact 16.3%, who are not Scots by birth, could vote.
2014 referendum - "Among Yes voters, the biggest single motivation was disaffection with Westminster politics"
Not any supposed benefits, something I suspect Wee Krankie is feeding upon knowing many will not take even the most cursory of glances at. |  | | |
| High Court 1 Sturgeon didnt!! (n/t) on 07:04 - Nov 24 with 537 views | GlasgowBlue |
| High Court 1 Sturgeon didnt!! (n/t) on 10:37 - Nov 23 by bluelagos |
Brexit rather undermined that argument.
Material change of what was on offer to stay with the UK. People voted to remain in a UK that was part of the EU. Since then a majority of Scots voted to remain with the EU yet they were still forced (as part of the UK) to leave.
Otherwise, I think that argument (of waiting a generation) would be valid. |
However, the people of Scotland voted to remain a member of the UK in the full knowledge that David Cameron was going to hold a referendum on membership of the EU.
In fact the SNP’s own independence white paper, published in the run up to the 2014 independence referendum stated “ The Scottish Government does not wish Scotland to leave the EU and does not support the Prime Minister’s plans to hold an in-out referendum on EU membership” and “The advantage of independence is that the people of Scotland will have the sole and final say. We will not be taken out of the EU against our wishes as may turn out to be the case if we are not independent”.
So the SNP themselves priced in the possibility of a Brexit vote before the 2014 referendum. [Post edited 24 Nov 2022 7:05]
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| High Court 1 Sturgeon didnt!! (n/t) on 08:01 - Nov 24 with 516 views | Darth_Koont |
| High Court 1 Sturgeon didnt!! (n/t) on 07:04 - Nov 24 by GlasgowBlue |
However, the people of Scotland voted to remain a member of the UK in the full knowledge that David Cameron was going to hold a referendum on membership of the EU.
In fact the SNP’s own independence white paper, published in the run up to the 2014 independence referendum stated “ The Scottish Government does not wish Scotland to leave the EU and does not support the Prime Minister’s plans to hold an in-out referendum on EU membership” and “The advantage of independence is that the people of Scotland will have the sole and final say. We will not be taken out of the EU against our wishes as may turn out to be the case if we are not independent”.
So the SNP themselves priced in the possibility of a Brexit vote before the 2014 referendum. [Post edited 24 Nov 2022 7:05]
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Oh dear ...
Harry meet Glassers.
Glassers, Harry. |  |
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| High Court 1 Sturgeon didnt!! (n/t) on 08:08 - Nov 24 with 510 views | DJR |
| High Court 1 Sturgeon didnt!! (n/t) on 07:04 - Nov 24 by GlasgowBlue |
However, the people of Scotland voted to remain a member of the UK in the full knowledge that David Cameron was going to hold a referendum on membership of the EU.
In fact the SNP’s own independence white paper, published in the run up to the 2014 independence referendum stated “ The Scottish Government does not wish Scotland to leave the EU and does not support the Prime Minister’s plans to hold an in-out referendum on EU membership” and “The advantage of independence is that the people of Scotland will have the sole and final say. We will not be taken out of the EU against our wishes as may turn out to be the case if we are not independent”.
So the SNP themselves priced in the possibility of a Brexit vote before the 2014 referendum. [Post edited 24 Nov 2022 7:05]
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The SNP may have but the overwhelming narrative in the media and on the part of the pro-Unionist parties was that the only way to guarantee Scotland staying in the EU was a no vote. And it was this that would have influenced voters, not something tucked away in an independence paper., or some crystal ball as to what might happen in a vote in 2016 which no one expected to result in Brexit. [Post edited 24 Nov 2022 8:09]
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| High Court 1 Sturgeon didnt!! (n/t) on 08:11 - Nov 24 with 505 views | Leaky |
| High Court 1 Sturgeon didnt!! (n/t) on 10:37 - Nov 23 by XYZ |
In 2014 they voted to remain in the UK and EU. |
Sorry was the EU on the ballot paper |  | | |
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| High Court 1 Sturgeon didnt!! (n/t) on 08:29 - Nov 24 with 484 views | GlasgowBlue |
| High Court 1 Sturgeon didnt!! (n/t) on 08:01 - Nov 24 by Darth_Koont |
Oh dear ...
Harry meet Glassers.
Glassers, Harry. |
Thank you for your valuable contribution. The contents of which have been noted. | |
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| High Court 1 Sturgeon didnt!! (n/t) on 08:43 - Nov 24 with 475 views | Darth_Koont |
| High Court 1 Sturgeon didnt!! (n/t) on 08:29 - Nov 24 by GlasgowBlue |
Thank you for your valuable contribution. The contents of which have been noted. |
Ta.
It’ll be interesting to see which of you goes most loon over this. I think you still have it in the bag so nothing to worry about yet. | |
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