| I wonder what Gamechanger are thinking? 14:04 - Jan 15 with 8090 views | ringwoodblue |
There’s been so many positives since Gamechanger took over. No doubt, they will be thrilled at the support the team is getting with home attendances up significantly and shirt sales increasing but promotion is what they really need to start getting any return on their investment.
No one can help injuries and illness but do they think they are just excuses? Our form has not been great for quite a few months now so I’m wondering if Gamechanger are getting a little nervy or if they will remain very patient? |  |
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| I wonder what Gamechanger are thinking? on 20:20 - Jan 15 with 2130 views | AlanG296 |
| I wonder what Gamechanger are thinking? on 20:09 - Jan 15 by unstableblue |
They'll be thinking this is a project that is planned to take quite a few seasons and general progress is forward.. they will have watched the Oxford game, and the Rotherham game, as well as Lincoln and Plymouth.
They'll know the Plymouth project is 1-2 seasons ahead of ours.
That they have a rookie manager with a 52% win rate, who has us in automatic promotion contention in his first full season in management, and is playing a style that is attracting 29k fans and the highest iFollow revenue of any club. They will also see the phenomenal shirt and awat ticket sales/demand.
They'll be pleased with monies spent on Davis and the bringing through of Humphreys, into a valuable asset.
They will be concerned at the risk of not making automatic; but aware play-offs is still likely with associated revenue. Pleased we have progressed to round 4 of the FA Cup.
Perhaps concerned Ladapo and Harness are needing reinforcements, despite funding their moved in the summer, concerned Camara has been wasted money this term. But fully aware Hirst was an existing target.
Overall think they'll be positive, patient, whilst aware of risks. I sincerely hope McKenna has lots of credit in the bank and only by this stage NEXT season (IF we don't go up this season) when automatics look unlikely would alternatives even be considered. |
I think attributing crowds to McKenna's style of play will be correct for some but not all, expect there are many like me who have bought season tickets (after a long period of not) again because of the Gamechanger takeover. No more of Evans decline and a fresh start with significant investment on the field and a prospect that we can be genuine competitors in this division in the immediate term and in due course sooner rather than later in a higher division. Remaining a third division club is not a gamechanger. |  | | |
| I wonder what Gamechanger are thinking? on 20:57 - Jan 15 with 2033 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| I wonder what Gamechanger are thinking? on 20:09 - Jan 15 by unstableblue |
They'll be thinking this is a project that is planned to take quite a few seasons and general progress is forward.. they will have watched the Oxford game, and the Rotherham game, as well as Lincoln and Plymouth.
They'll know the Plymouth project is 1-2 seasons ahead of ours.
That they have a rookie manager with a 52% win rate, who has us in automatic promotion contention in his first full season in management, and is playing a style that is attracting 29k fans and the highest iFollow revenue of any club. They will also see the phenomenal shirt and awat ticket sales/demand.
They'll be pleased with monies spent on Davis and the bringing through of Humphreys, into a valuable asset.
They will be concerned at the risk of not making automatic; but aware play-offs is still likely with associated revenue. Pleased we have progressed to round 4 of the FA Cup.
Perhaps concerned Ladapo and Harness are needing reinforcements, despite funding their moved in the summer, concerned Camara has been wasted money this term. But fully aware Hirst was an existing target.
Overall think they'll be positive, patient, whilst aware of risks. I sincerely hope McKenna has lots of credit in the bank and only by this stage NEXT season (IF we don't go up this season) when automatics look unlikely would alternatives even be considered. |
The idea that Plymouth’s project is 1-2 seasons ahead of us is rubbish
When Gamechanger took over they were 16th in the table (on their way to finishing 18th) with us in 8th. And like us they have had to significantly overhaul their squad from there, with just 3 of their regulars now having been at the club then, and a change of manager too
They are ahead of us now as they have so far done a much better job than us from that starting point, despite having a lot less to work with than we have - not because they were starting a year ahead of us |  |
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| I wonder what Gamechanger are thinking? on 21:08 - Jan 15 with 2003 views | unstableblue |
| I wonder what Gamechanger are thinking? on 20:57 - Jan 15 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
The idea that Plymouth’s project is 1-2 seasons ahead of us is rubbish
When Gamechanger took over they were 16th in the table (on their way to finishing 18th) with us in 8th. And like us they have had to significantly overhaul their squad from there, with just 3 of their regulars now having been at the club then, and a change of manager too
They are ahead of us now as they have so far done a much better job than us from that starting point, despite having a lot less to work with than we have - not because they were starting a year ahead of us |
I’m afraid you don’t have the bigger picture.
Their journey to where they are today started when the appointed Neil Dewsnip as a consultant I think in 2018.
This driving force behind the club’s recruitment, style and managerial continuity.
He was officially made footballing director in Nov 2019.
He has supported two separate managers.
Gamechanger was April 2021!!!!! And you could say change to football direction only came when McKenna came in - December 2021.
Indeed this vibe on the board that our league trajectory can only be linear and upswards giving the scale of change is ridiculous. See George Burley.
I repeat Plymouth are 2 years ahead of us in implementing a football strategy for success. |  |
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| I wonder what Gamechanger are thinking? on 21:08 - Jan 15 with 2004 views | TalkingBlues |
| I wonder what Gamechanger are thinking? on 20:57 - Jan 15 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
The idea that Plymouth’s project is 1-2 seasons ahead of us is rubbish
When Gamechanger took over they were 16th in the table (on their way to finishing 18th) with us in 8th. And like us they have had to significantly overhaul their squad from there, with just 3 of their regulars now having been at the club then, and a change of manager too
They are ahead of us now as they have so far done a much better job than us from that starting point, despite having a lot less to work with than we have - not because they were starting a year ahead of us |
100%, they’ve done a better job on the pitch than we have, with significantly less resources at their disposal, hats off to them, they’ve built a bloody good squad and the manager is clearly no mug either, they deserve to be top, despite the nonsense claim that we are the best team in the division rubbish that keeps getting spouted. |  |
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| I wonder what Gamechanger are thinking? on 21:20 - Jan 15 with 1966 views | unstableblue |
| I wonder what Gamechanger are thinking? on 21:08 - Jan 15 by TalkingBlues |
100%, they’ve done a better job on the pitch than we have, with significantly less resources at their disposal, hats off to them, they’ve built a bloody good squad and the manager is clearly no mug either, they deserve to be top, despite the nonsense claim that we are the best team in the division rubbish that keeps getting spouted. |
They got a £4m investment in August.
Yes they’re significantly less funded than us; but as I explain below their footballing strategy is 2 years at least ahead of us in implementation.
And their footballing director is securing excellent loans and purchases.
This board mantra of ‘duh, we got loads of money, we got new manager, we go straight up’ is deluded.
I bet a number of Arsenal fans are pretty pleased their clamour for Arteta to go wasn’t answered. | |
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| I wonder what Gamechanger are thinking? on 21:26 - Jan 15 with 1949 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| I wonder what Gamechanger are thinking? on 21:08 - Jan 15 by unstableblue |
I’m afraid you don’t have the bigger picture.
Their journey to where they are today started when the appointed Neil Dewsnip as a consultant I think in 2018.
This driving force behind the club’s recruitment, style and managerial continuity.
He was officially made footballing director in Nov 2019.
He has supported two separate managers.
Gamechanger was April 2021!!!!! And you could say change to football direction only came when McKenna came in - December 2021.
Indeed this vibe on the board that our league trajectory can only be linear and upswards giving the scale of change is ridiculous. See George Burley.
I repeat Plymouth are 2 years ahead of us in implementing a football strategy for success. |
I haven’t missed any bigger picture, it’s just nonsense as they haven’t benefitted from any continuity as they’ve had to change manager and basically build a whole new squad in the same period we have been owned by Gamechanger. All from a position that was behind us and with much smaller resources
They’re ahead of us because they’ve been better at it, not due to having an imaginary head start | |
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| I wonder what Gamechanger are thinking? on 22:39 - Jan 15 with 1863 views | unstableblue |
| I wonder what Gamechanger are thinking? on 21:26 - Jan 15 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
I haven’t missed any bigger picture, it’s just nonsense as they haven’t benefitted from any continuity as they’ve had to change manager and basically build a whole new squad in the same period we have been owned by Gamechanger. All from a position that was behind us and with much smaller resources
They’re ahead of us because they’ve been better at it, not due to having an imaginary head start |
You really have missed the picture!
You do know that Schumacher was assistant at Plymouth under Ryan Lowe from the start? You do know they were together before that at Bury?
You do know the whole point of a Footballing Director is to provide continuity - see Brentford success.
You do know Dewsnip worked with Lowe and Schumacher as a consultant from the start of their tenure? Before officially becoming Footballing Director.
Indeed did you know Dewsnip has known Schumacher since he was 8
You’re trying to compare a continuity of ONeill (not fit for purpose) and Cook to Probert (new) and McKenna, to the Plymouth continuity of Dewsnip / Lowe / Schumacher to Dewsnip / Schumacher!!! Ridiculous !
Also Plymouth backbone players such as Cooper, Law, Edwards, Randell, Ennis from 20/21 season were at Portman Road Saturday? (I may have missed a couple more)
Sorry but the nonsense is suggesting their is a comparison of project length between our two clubs!! [Post edited 15 Jan 2023 22:40]
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| I wonder what Gamechanger are thinking? on 22:56 - Jan 15 with 1838 views | TalkingBlues |
| I wonder what Gamechanger are thinking? on 21:20 - Jan 15 by unstableblue |
They got a £4m investment in August.
Yes they’re significantly less funded than us; but as I explain below their footballing strategy is 2 years at least ahead of us in implementation.
And their footballing director is securing excellent loans and purchases.
This board mantra of ‘duh, we got loads of money, we got new manager, we go straight up’ is deluded.
I bet a number of Arsenal fans are pretty pleased their clamour for Arteta to go wasn’t answered. |
I believe most, if not all of that money went straight into upgrading the ground/stand/training/pitches. They’ve recruited excellently and obviously the manager knows his stuff.
I’m not disagreeing with you, but I don’t buy into the “strategy” stuff, that doesn’t really mean anything, the talking is done on the pitch. Marcus Evans had several strategies and look where that got us. They’ve been excellent at building a team on peanuts and managing to get the best out of the players individually, even when churning players at a high rate, how they’ve done it, I’ve no idea, it completely defies the norm.
In terms of the “throw money at it to get promoted” thing, yes the manager has money to spend, but the majority of the initial investment in us has gone on “off pitch” projects, same as Argyle. We had a very decent squad when McK arrived too, so he hasn’t had to start from scratch. | |
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| I wonder what Gamechanger are thinking? on 23:01 - Jan 15 with 1826 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| I wonder what Gamechanger are thinking? on 22:39 - Jan 15 by unstableblue |
You really have missed the picture!
You do know that Schumacher was assistant at Plymouth under Ryan Lowe from the start? You do know they were together before that at Bury?
You do know the whole point of a Footballing Director is to provide continuity - see Brentford success.
You do know Dewsnip worked with Lowe and Schumacher as a consultant from the start of their tenure? Before officially becoming Footballing Director.
Indeed did you know Dewsnip has known Schumacher since he was 8
You’re trying to compare a continuity of ONeill (not fit for purpose) and Cook to Probert (new) and McKenna, to the Plymouth continuity of Dewsnip / Lowe / Schumacher to Dewsnip / Schumacher!!! Ridiculous !
Also Plymouth backbone players such as Cooper, Law, Edwards, Randell, Ennis from 20/21 season were at Portman Road Saturday? (I may have missed a couple more)
Sorry but the nonsense is suggesting their is a comparison of project length between our two clubs!! [Post edited 15 Jan 2023 22:40]
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Ryan Law has been on loan at Gillingham for the first half of the season and Adam Randell was on loan at Torquay in 2020/21. The other 3 were indeed at the club which is why I said 3 all bar 3 of their regular squad this season were part of the squad then
The rest is fairly common knowledge but doesn’t change the fact that they, like us, have had to overhaul their side in the past couple of years from a lower starting point and with lesser resources | |
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| I wonder what Gamechanger are thinking? on 23:46 - Jan 15 with 1787 views | unstableblue |
| I wonder what Gamechanger are thinking? on 23:01 - Jan 15 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Ryan Law has been on loan at Gillingham for the first half of the season and Adam Randell was on loan at Torquay in 2020/21. The other 3 were indeed at the club which is why I said 3 all bar 3 of their regular squad this season were part of the squad then
The rest is fairly common knowledge but doesn’t change the fact that they, like us, have had to overhaul their side in the past couple of years from a lower starting point and with lesser resources |
Come on!
You said: “it’s just nonsense as they haven’t benefitted from any continuity as they’ve had to change manager”
Which is not correct. As I’ve clearly explained. | |
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| I wonder what Gamechanger are thinking? on 00:42 - Jan 16 with 1733 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| I wonder what Gamechanger are thinking? on 23:46 - Jan 15 by unstableblue |
Come on!
You said: “it’s just nonsense as they haven’t benefitted from any continuity as they’ve had to change manager”
Which is not correct. As I’ve clearly explained. |
No, I said “ it’s just nonsense as they haven’t benefitted from any continuity as they’ve had to change manager and basically build a whole new squad”…but well done for completely omitting half of that | |
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| I wonder what Gamechanger are thinking? on 15:59 - Jan 16 with 1529 views | mrfixit426 |
| I wonder what Gamechanger are thinking? on 20:09 - Jan 15 by unstableblue |
They'll be thinking this is a project that is planned to take quite a few seasons and general progress is forward.. they will have watched the Oxford game, and the Rotherham game, as well as Lincoln and Plymouth.
They'll know the Plymouth project is 1-2 seasons ahead of ours.
That they have a rookie manager with a 52% win rate, who has us in automatic promotion contention in his first full season in management, and is playing a style that is attracting 29k fans and the highest iFollow revenue of any club. They will also see the phenomenal shirt and awat ticket sales/demand.
They'll be pleased with monies spent on Davis and the bringing through of Humphreys, into a valuable asset.
They will be concerned at the risk of not making automatic; but aware play-offs is still likely with associated revenue. Pleased we have progressed to round 4 of the FA Cup.
Perhaps concerned Ladapo and Harness are needing reinforcements, despite funding their moved in the summer, concerned Camara has been wasted money this term. But fully aware Hirst was an existing target.
Overall think they'll be positive, patient, whilst aware of risks. I sincerely hope McKenna has lots of credit in the bank and only by this stage NEXT season (IF we don't go up this season) when automatics look unlikely would alternatives even be considered. |
Nailed it. |  | | |
| I wonder what Gamechanger are thinking? on 16:02 - Jan 16 with 1514 views | Bobbychase |
| I wonder what Gamechanger are thinking? on 19:57 - Jan 15 by HARRY10 |
Brutally, I doubt they really care too much about three you list.
And the league position is only meaningful if it means the Championship next season
There is no return for them otherwise.
Higher attendances will not cover the loans they have made, and if we don't go up then we start on no points, as do the other 23 club come the start of next season. |
There is no real return for them until we are in the Prem to be honest. |  |
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| I wonder what Gamechanger are thinking? on 16:08 - Jan 16 with 1495 views | Bobbychase |
| I wonder what Gamechanger are thinking? on 21:26 - Jan 15 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
I haven’t missed any bigger picture, it’s just nonsense as they haven’t benefitted from any continuity as they’ve had to change manager and basically build a whole new squad in the same period we have been owned by Gamechanger. All from a position that was behind us and with much smaller resources
They’re ahead of us because they’ve been better at it, not due to having an imaginary head start |
In the longevity debate we miss that three of their best players this season - Whittaker, Mumba and Azaz - are loans, and you can add Matete into that as well. So in terms of long-term value, of no benefit to them whatsoever. They've also assembled a decent squad around them of players that they own, but I think our resources make us a better long-term bet IF we can get out of League One. | |
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| I wonder what Gamechanger are thinking? on 16:09 - Jan 16 with 1491 views | FrimleyBlue |
| I wonder what Gamechanger are thinking? on 16:02 - Jan 16 by Bobbychase |
There is no real return for them until we are in the Prem to be honest. |
More worrying Is people forgetting that gamechanger aren't the owners.
The one who puts the money in made it very very clear he wanted to stop seeing financial losses and see football results. Its he who we need to keep happy. |  |
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| I wonder what Gamechanger are thinking? on 16:49 - Jan 16 with 1427 views | Bobbychase |
| I wonder what Gamechanger are thinking? on 16:09 - Jan 16 by FrimleyBlue |
More worrying Is people forgetting that gamechanger aren't the owners.
The one who puts the money in made it very very clear he wanted to stop seeing financial losses and see football results. Its he who we need to keep happy. |
I think overall, and someone who works in finance might correct me, it was always thought a pension fund looks into long-term investments. The buying of the land around Portman Road, the upgrades to the pitch and the stadium, the increase in backroom staff, the money spent on the training set-up - they wouldn't do that then walk because we don't go up this season, even if they'd be as frustrated as the rest of us. Would be a guaranteed loss and a big one with nothing to show from it apart from all the merch Brett Johnson has bought. | |
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| I wonder what Gamechanger are thinking? on 16:53 - Jan 16 with 1402 views | ElephantintheRoom |
I suspect it doesn’t matter one jot what ‘game changer’ think. It’s what the trigger-happy Schwarz thinks. If Town go up this season they are already a year behind schedule and I suspect way over budget - and as things stand - 3rd place and a very poor record against top six clubs things don’t look overly good this season either. Plenty of time for things to improve though . Ashton will need a copy of yellow pages tucked down his trousers for the end of season review if Town blow it. He’ll be toast - and McKenna will have until Xmas | |
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| I wonder what Gamechanger are thinking? on 17:00 - Jan 16 with 1387 views | Bobbychase |
| I wonder what Gamechanger are thinking? on 16:53 - Jan 16 by ElephantintheRoom |
I suspect it doesn’t matter one jot what ‘game changer’ think. It’s what the trigger-happy Schwarz thinks. If Town go up this season they are already a year behind schedule and I suspect way over budget - and as things stand - 3rd place and a very poor record against top six clubs things don’t look overly good this season either. Plenty of time for things to improve though . Ashton will need a copy of yellow pages tucked down his trousers for the end of season review if Town blow it. He’ll be toast - and McKenna will have until Xmas |
They've been on record saying they didn't think promotion was guaranteed this season.
They make money when we're in the Prem, and only then. While the panic is perhaps symptomatic of the on-field wobble, it's not based in reality. Take, for example, our very aggressive spending in this transfer window alone, which is probably not finished yet. | |
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| I wonder what Gamechanger are thinking? on 17:10 - Jan 16 with 1352 views | billlm |
| I wonder what Gamechanger are thinking? on 20:57 - Jan 15 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
The idea that Plymouth’s project is 1-2 seasons ahead of us is rubbish
When Gamechanger took over they were 16th in the table (on their way to finishing 18th) with us in 8th. And like us they have had to significantly overhaul their squad from there, with just 3 of their regulars now having been at the club then, and a change of manager too
They are ahead of us now as they have so far done a much better job than us from that starting point, despite having a lot less to work with than we have - not because they were starting a year ahead of us |
Wellsaid |  | | |
| I wonder what Gamechanger are thinking? on 11:33 - Jan 17 with 1141 views | RobTheMonk |
I think it depends what the original timeline for their plan is.
Obviously getting promotion would be a bonus, but we're pretty much guaranteed top 6, still chasing top 2, have larger crowds, money being put into behind the scenes, a 'good look' shirt sponsor and generally are starting to look like a well run club.
Let's not forget that we've gone down a different route with the appointment of Mckenna and also having to sort out the mess he inherited.
Ultimately, lots of positives perhaps marred by some poor game management in the final moments of games which has become an annoyance. |  | | |
| I wonder what Gamechanger are thinking? on 12:26 - Jan 17 with 1050 views | BlueNomad |
| I wonder what Gamechanger are thinking? on 11:33 - Jan 17 by RobTheMonk |
I think it depends what the original timeline for their plan is.
Obviously getting promotion would be a bonus, but we're pretty much guaranteed top 6, still chasing top 2, have larger crowds, money being put into behind the scenes, a 'good look' shirt sponsor and generally are starting to look like a well run club.
Let's not forget that we've gone down a different route with the appointment of Mckenna and also having to sort out the mess he inherited.
Ultimately, lots of positives perhaps marred by some poor game management in the final moments of games which has become an annoyance. |
Disappointing results over the past few weeks (remember we were top recently) are not going to influence the owners' continued investment. The fact we have had a few wobbles, mistakes, deflections and poor refereeing should not blemish the long term commitment.
I know we have been starved of success (and I expect it sooner rather than later) but I really don't think the investors are going to go wibble by the end of this season. As for getting rid of KM et al - get a grip! If SBR had been sacked when things weren't going well at the beginning of his time we would have two of the stars on our shirt.
We will get there! |  | | |
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